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Posted: 5/14/2012 4:10:29 PM

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Ive never elk hunted before and gonna get a chance to go for a week this winter. I have a 30-06 that I am going to use. Any suggestions on a good bullet for elk. I do reload my own ammo and I do not want to use something off the shelf. I have always shot 150gr Hornady SST through it and it shoots them well. Didn't know if this bullet would be suffient or if I should use another.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 5:08:00 PM
I dont see why that wouldnt be alright. My uncle has killed elk for the last 40 years with a 130g in a 270w
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Posted: 5/14/2012 5:15:06 PM
Never hunted elk but I would think any well constructed bullet would do fine.
I personally use nosler partitions for wild boar. I like the weght they retain when they hit something hard like a shoulder blade.


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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:20:00 PM
Heavy with weight retention. 180-220 is great. Sure 150 may work out fine but it is a big animal so why not go heavier.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:48:54 PM
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180 grain Nosler Partition. If I have a rifle that will give me hunting accuracy with Nosler Partitions thats the bullet I use. If my rifle won't achieve that accuracy I go to the Accubond or the Barnes TSX.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 11:08:08 PM
Ok thanks. Ive not shot anything other than the 150's. I ll have to try some heavier rounds and see how they do.
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Posted: 5/15/2012 12:18:22 AM
Originally Posted By Precision308:
Ok thanks. Ive not shot anything other than the 150's. I ll have to try some heavier rounds and see how they do.


There isn't a thing wrong with a 150 grn bullet,and the SSTs work as good as anything else on elk.

If your particular rifle shoots 150s well,use them, if it shoots 165s well use them, if it shoots 180s well, use them.

I'm glad the last elk I shot didn't know it wasn't supposed to die from a pesky 6.5 140 grn SST.

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Posted: 5/15/2012 11:57:32 PM
Originally Posted By FRCA_WY:
Originally Posted By Precision308:
Ok thanks. Ive not shot anything other than the 150's. I ll have to try some heavier rounds and see how they do.


There isn't a thing wrong with a 150 grn bullet,and the SSTs work as good as anything else on elk.

If your particular rifle shoots 150s well,use them, if it shoots 165s well use them, if it shoots 180s well, use them.

I'm glad the last elk I shot didn't know it wasn't supposed to die from a pesky 6.5 140 grn SST.



Elk can't tell what weigh bullet you shot them with. Reminds me of the movie "Jeremiah Johnson" where Bearclaw Chris tells him "Elk don't know how many legs a horse has!"

That said, I'm a fan of the 165+ grain bullets in .30-06. I shoot a fair amount of Speer bullets, which I don't think get enough attention in here. They may not be the fanciest looking thing on the market with bright colored tips, but they shoot well for me and bring home meat. Their Grand Slam bullets really do perform well. My sister hunts elk with her 7mm-08 loaded with f 145 grain Grand Slams.

Also I'm interested in their Deep Curl bullets. Same technology as the Federal Fusion or Speer Gold Dot ammo, just as a reloading component. As opposed to a tradition cup and draw jacket they somehow fuse the jacket to the core at the molecular level in a bath. Gets rid of issues involving uniformity of jacket thickness, and they have great weight retention.

I've not shot anything with an SST, maybe some day I'll give them a whirl. Hornady makes a fine projectile.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 7:06:54 PM
nosler partitions are great if not the best bullets for elk. I have taken them with 180's in my 30-06. The 180's shoot plenty flat and with elk more weight is better. I have had good luck loaded with R22 and 4831. If your set on the 150's any quality premium bullet that your rifle likes should get it done.

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Posted: 5/17/2012 1:31:12 PM
Ok thanks everyone for the information. I did purchase some 180gr SST and 180gr Nosler Accubond bullets. The 150gr SST do shoot well in my rifle. May hunt with them but I figured i would at least try some of the 180s just to see how they do since ive never shot any.
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Posted: 5/24/2012 12:12:17 AM
The other day at the range i just shot some accubond nosler 180s and hornady 180 SST bullets. the SST 180s shot the best even when considering the 150gr bullets i have shot in the past. Think i may go with the 180 SST for the elk hunt. thanks everyone
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Posted: 5/24/2012 12:14:59 AM
what kind of groups is everyone shooting with their big bore big game rifles? this rifle is doing a little over an inch at 100yds. i know that is good enough to hunt and probably good for a light weight rifle but just curious what results others are getting.
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Posted: 5/24/2012 12:29:24 AM
1 1/2 inches is fine for a hunting rifle.

Personally, I would shoot the Accubonds over the SST's if you are able to stay under that 1 1/2 inch group. The Accubonds have a thicker jacket, and are bonded, which the SST's aren't. Elk are tough, and you need a hole as far through them as possible. I would be leery of an SST coming apart too early if hitting a rib, clipping a shoulder blade, or just mushrooming too much and not penetrating enough, leaving a poor blood trail.
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Posted: 5/24/2012 4:51:37 PM
Sounds like you already bought some bullets but I would feel it a crime if I didn't throw in my $0.02

My dad shot his first mature bull a few years ago using 165gr Hornady bullets. I couldn't get the damn range finder to work so we just guessed and I told him to aim a few inches above its back. They did the trick, he didn't go 5 feet from where he was when we first saw him. Once we got up there I got a range on the hill we were shooting from and it was just a hair over 500 yards!

I personally feel 165gr bullets would be an excellent choice. They are heavier than a 150gr bullet which leads to higher weight retention and penetration, but also shoot flatter than a 180gr bullet (and even some 150gr).

Well, take what you want out of that man. Again, just my 2 cents!
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Posted: 5/24/2012 7:49:01 PM
Originally Posted By Precision308:
what kind of groups is everyone shooting with their big bore big game rifles? this rifle is doing a little over an inch at 100yds. i know that is good enough to hunt and probably good for a light weight rifle but just curious what results others are getting.


Those aren't bad groups. You might tighten up group size by letting the barrel cool between shots.
I suggest shooting out to two and three hundred yards with your new bullet choice, just because it shoots good at 100 yards doesn't mean it will farther out.

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Posted: 5/24/2012 8:07:19 PM
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1 1/2 inches is fine for a hunting rifle.

Personally, I would shoot the Accubonds over the SST's if you are able to stay under that 1 1/2 inch group. The Accubonds have a thicker jacket, and are bonded, which the SST's aren't. Elk are tough, and you need a hole as far through them as possible. I would be leery of an SST coming apart too early if hitting a rib, clipping a shoulder blade, or just mushrooming too much and not penetrating enough, leaving a poor blood trail.


The last elk i shot at 280 yards put a 6.5 140 grn SST through a rib,through the vitals,and was a lump under the skin on the other side. It was perfectly mushroomed,and killed the elk quickly. Perfect performance, The SST is plenty tough.

I have shot deer and antelope with the SST,both 6.5 and .30. Not such good performance,zips right through,doesn't matter how much bone it passes through. I don't use them for smaller game anymore.

Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way,but I like my elk to die on the spot instead of running off leaving a good blood trail after a bullet zipped through without mushrooming or dumping its energy.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 12:00:08 AM
Lots of info thanks guys. Ya I have no problem keeping the groups under 1.5in. I usualy shoot 12lb precision/tactical rigs in 308 at .5 or .75in groups if i do my part. Today i ordered a leupold VXIII 3.5-10X40mm CDS scope. Im going to the range tomorrow to chonograph my 180gr SST load to see the speed so i can get the information to Leupold to make my caps. I think that i am going to stick with the SST. I've had good luck with hornady bullets in the past and they usually seem to be pretty affordable. Im the type of person who will shoot 300-400 rounds before the hunt out to 400yds so cost of ammo does matter. 400yds is unfortunately the farthest i can go where i live. The rifle I am using is nothing special. It is a Savage 110 in 30-06. It is a model before the accu-trigger so I put a timney 4lb trigger in it that works well. I also changed the factory synthetic stock with a bell and carlson medalist stock. it does take some getting used to shooting a shorter lighter rifle.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 12:23:30 AM
I like accubonds. 165gr for my 308
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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:07:21 PM
You will be fine with that bullet. Lots of practice at 300 yds will have you dialed in by the time your hunt comes.

Elk are not bullet proof but don't expect miracles either. Choose your shot with respect for the animal and it will die. Most of all enjoy the process!

Good luck!
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Posted: 7/6/2012 11:37:36 PM
thanks again
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Posted: 7/22/2012 4:02:56 PM
not to hijack the thread, but a similar question on 308 ammo for elk

will the 165 barnes triple X bullet be a good choice for elk hunting? i'm headed back to montana this year and if its a good choice i need to the rifle sighted in...

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Posted: 7/23/2012 10:48:31 AM
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not to hijack the thread, but a similar question on 308 ammo for elk

will the 165 barnes triple X bullet be a good choice for elk hunting? i'm headed back to montana this year and if its a good choice i need to the rifle sighted in...



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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:51:39 PM
excellent.... thanks

i've got several boxes of black hills 308 that are loaded with that bullet so that's what i'll use
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Posted: 7/27/2012 4:26:16 PM
I have been using the 165gr SST in my '06 for several years now and like it a lot, MI whitetails don't handle it well
that being said for elk I am using the 180gr Hornady interbond, at 450 yds it shoots sub moa (furthest I have shot it) and the interbond is a very solid/well bonded bullet, with the same profile as the SST.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 8:07:43 AM

Originally Posted By FRCA_WY:
Originally Posted By Precision308:
what kind of groups is everyone shooting with their big bore big game rifles? this rifle is doing a little over an inch at 100yds. i know that is good enough to hunt and probably good for a light weight rifle but just curious what results others are getting.


Those aren't bad groups. You might tighten up group size by letting the barrel cool between shots.
I suggest shooting out to two and three hundred yards with your new bullet choice, just because it shoots good at 100 yards doesn't mean it will farther out.


And the inverse can be true as well. I've seen a .284 accubonds that shoot better MOA at 400 than 100 yards. They seem to stablize and fly better at distance.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 8:59:00 AM
I would not use an SST on elk. They are a fine deer bullet. The difference between deer and elk is in the toughness of the hide, density of muscle tissue, and a much tougher set of bone. Not to mention that a quartering away shot might mean you'll need a lot more penetration to reach the goodies.

Mono-metal bullets. The answer is mono-metal bullets. Partitions, varying thickness jackets, bonded cores...all that shit is essentially obsolete when compared to the terminal performance afforded by mono-metal bullets.
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