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 bradpierson26
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Posted: 11/21/2011 1:05:20 PM
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Iowaredneck
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Posted: 11/21/2011 7:22:56 PM
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What no Partition ? I have had good luck with them shooting tight groups in my 30-06's and 7mag. They also perform as advertised I have never tried anyof the others in your poll on elk but my buddy tried the acubond and was not real happy with them.
ETA 180g in 30-06 175g in 7mm both loaded with R22 |
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Posted: 11/22/2011 10:44:06 AM
I reloaded the Hornady Interbond 180 gr for my .300 WSM. It's pretty much the same as the Accubond.
I was happy with the performance, and they grouped real well. |
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Posted: 11/22/2011 11:31:51 AM
I like Partitions. I have tried TSXs out of several calibers, and I just didn't get the performance I wanted on Elk with them, unless they drove through bone.
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Posted: 11/22/2011 4:25:43 PM
I see no need for premium bullets in the .30-06 for elk. I say look at the Partition, or a 180 Spitzer type bullet such as the Hornady Interlock, Speer Hot Core, or Sierra Pro Hunter. They have killed many elk for a long time, and the velocity of the .30-06 is low enough that the bullet should hold together and penetrate well.
Also since you said you were on a budget, those bullets will help you out - by 3 times in some cases. Marcial |
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Posted: 11/22/2011 6:33:33 PM
What are the main differences between the Partition and the Accubond ? |
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Posted: 11/22/2011 6:54:41 PM
Originally Posted By Winn: What are the main differences between the Partition and the Accubond ? Accubond is a cup and core type bullet, with a plastic tip, that has the jacket bonded to the core. The Partition has two different cores, separated by a copper partition. Picture the jacket as an "H", when sectioned, before the bullet is drawn through a die with the cores. |
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Posted: 11/22/2011 7:58:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Originally Posted By Winn:
What are the main differences between the Partition and the Accubond ? Accubond is a cup and core type bullet, with a plastic tip, that has the jacket bonded to the core. The Partition has two different cores, separated by a copper partition. Picture the jacket as an "H", when sectioned, before the bullet is drawn through a die with the cores. Yes, thanks. I understand what some of the differences are between how the two "look" or are generally constructed ... but I'm wondering what the significant differences are (if any) in terms of actual performance on game. IOW, what makes one better than the other in terms of terminal ballistics 
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Posted: 11/23/2011 8:28:24 AM
Originally Posted By Winn: Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght: Originally Posted By Winn: What are the main differences between the Partition and the Accubond ? Accubond is a cup and core type bullet, with a plastic tip, that has the jacket bonded to the core. The Partition has two different cores, separated by a copper partition. Picture the jacket as an "H", when sectioned, before the bullet is drawn through a die with the cores. Yes, thanks. I understand what some of the differences are between how the two "look" or are generally constructed ... but I'm wondering what the significant differences are (if any) in terms of actual performance on game. IOW, what makes one better than the other in terms of terminal ballistics It has been my experience that non-bonded bullets open up at much lower velocities than bonded bullets, which could help on long shots. The difference is only the way they chose to control expansion. The Partition will generally blow up (while still maintaining a mushroom) all the way back to the partition, and go no further. Bonded bullets will not deform as badly, and mushroom back to the thicker part of the jacket, while maintaining more lead in the expanded part of the bullet. |
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Posted: 11/24/2011 10:21:58 AM
Originally Posted By mevertsen:
I see no need for premium bullets in the .30-06 for elk. I say look at the Partition, or a 180 Spitzer type bullet such as the Hornady Interlock, Speer Hot Core, or Sierra Pro Hunter. They have killed many elk for a long time, and the velocity of the .30-06 is low enough that the bullet should hold together and penetrate well. Also since you said you were on a budget, those bullets will help you out - by 3 times in some cases. Marcial I have to agree here. We seem to have all been caught up in "the latest thing" as far as boutique bullets go. I have been using Hornady SSTs as of late,but that is because the data I use for an AMAX is the same. I have yet to see any other bullet kill animals any deader that the old standby Sierra gamekings, or the Remington Cor lokts. They both fly well,hit hard and expand just as they should.The Cor lokts are the best value out there for someone loading and shooting on a tight budget. |
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:08:58 AM
I will have to disagree with the above. I have used interlocks the elk died but what was left of the bullet was scary same for the 35 cal acubond my buddy used on one trip. Non premium bullets will kill them but really how many elk you going to shot in a life time ? A few bucks more for the partition is worth it even at today's retarded high price.
Are premium bullets needed to kill elk NO Are they worth the extra cost Yes Thats my opinion after 11 elk trips and 16 dead elk but YMMV |
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:13:18 AM
i voted for the 168 barnes. the 180's are not needed when using a barnes bullet, and you will enjoy the extra FPS with the 168
i took my bull with the 168 at 350 yards. It was out of my 300 wm though he did not take another step |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 3:37:10 AM
plain old cor lok's
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Posted: 12/3/2011 6:30:04 PM
165gr hornady interbond
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Posted: 12/3/2011 7:15:33 PM
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OP, Why are you opting for the tipped TSX bullets rather than the ("standard") non-tipped versions in the poll ... ? |
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Posted: 12/9/2011 11:15:13 AM
Originally Posted By Iowaredneck: What no Partition ? I have had good luck with them shooting tight groups in my 30-06's and 7mag. They also perform as advertised I have never tried anyof the others in your poll on elk but my buddy tried the acubond and was not real happy with them. ETA 180g in 30-06 This. We just took two Elk using Nosler Partition, and one Bull went down immediately, and the other within 20 yards of the shot. |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 11:09:24 PM
[Last Edit: 1/23/2012 8:40:49 PM by leid]
The 200gr. Nosler Partition in 300 Win Mag has been my .30 gold standard for decades but I try to remain open to possible equipment/load upgrades. So am getting ready to work up the 180gr. TTSX over RL22 in 30-06 for use on elk. First thing I see is the 180gr. TTSX is a VERY long bullet @ 1.480" ; the longest .30 I will have worked up. This could prove interesting. If anybody has already worked up 30-06 or other loads using this bullet, posting results in the reloading section would be helpful to all. I already have the Barnes handloading data & Barnes has informed me that the minimum expansion threshold is 1800 FPS. TIA!
L-R: M25 tracer, 180gr. TTSX, M2-AP, recovered game-shot .30 200gr. Nosler Partition fired from 300 Win Mag that went thru a small tree before penetrating thru a whitetail's spine (shooter error that turned out well yet again).  |
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Posted: 2/5/2012 2:15:45 PM
Why not a Speer Deep Curl or Grand Slam? 165 or 180 grain. The Deep Curl is the same bullet as they use in their Fusion line of ammo. Same technology they use in making their Gold Dot bullets. They swage a core, and then essentially put the bullets through a copper wash (at least that's my understanding). This joins the two molecularly as opposed to "bonding" (gluing) the jacket and core together. Because of that there are no potential air bubbles or gaps between the jacket and core, very uniform bullet that retains weight well. The Grand Slam is also a great bullet. The jacket has a ring near the cannelure that semi separates the core, not a full partition but it seems to hold it together well. I've used it and I also load it for my sister's 7mm-08 hunting load. She's taken a couple of elk with a 145 gr. Grand Slam out of her little Howa 7mm-08 rifle. Also she's taken some pretty good sized whitetail bucks with the same load and rifle. Been able to recover a couple of the bullets, they were >2 times the original diameter and 85%+ weight retention.
Some people pass Speer by, but they really do make a great bullet. I've even taken a bull elk or two with just a plain hot-cor Speer 180 in a .300 Win mag. Whichever bullet you find that has acceptable performance and weight, but also gives you the most consistency on paper. Barnes makes a very tough bullet, but because they contain no lead they are longer. Longer isn't necessarily a bad thing but I've seen a rifle or two that had to be loaded with a lighter Barnes bullet because the heavier weights wouldn't stabilize without a faster twist rifle. Barnes is also expensive, if you shoot 5 Barnes and get a keyhole that's a pretty expensive way to find out if they'll shoot in your rifle. Again Barnes is a GREAT bullet, just not what I buy. |
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Posted: 2/5/2012 7:26:33 PM
Originally Posted By Chacal87:
Why not a Speer Deep Curl or Grand Slam? 165 or 180 grain. The Deep Curl is the same bullet as they use in their Fusion line of ammo. Same technology they use in making their Gold Dot bullets.? They swage a core, and then essentially put the bullets through a copper wash (at least that's my understanding). This joins the two molecularly as opposed to "bonding" (gluing) the jacket and core together. Because of that there are no potential air bubbles or gaps between the jacket and core, very uniform bullet that retains weight well. The Grand Slam is also a great bullet. The jacket has a ring near the cannelure that semi separates the core, not a full partition but it seems to hold it together well. I've used it and I also load it for my sister's 7mm-08 hunting load. She's taken a couple of elk with a 145 gr. Grand Slam out of her little Howa 7mm-08 rifle. Also she's taken some pretty good sized whitetail bucks with the same load and rifle. Been able to recover a couple of the bullets, they were >2 times the original diameter and 85%+ weight retention. Some people pass Speer by, but they really do make a great bullet. I've even taken a bull elk or two with just a plain hot-cor Speer 180 in a .300 Win mag. Whichever bullet you find that has acceptable performance and weight, but also gives you the most consistency on paper. Barnes makes a very tough bullet, but because they contain no lead they are longer. Longer isn't necessarily a bad thing but I've seen a rifle or two that had to be loaded with a lighter Barnes bullet because the heavier weights wouldn't stabilize without a faster twist rifle. Barnes is also expensive, if you shoot 5 Barnes and get a keyhole that's a pretty expensive way to find out if they'll shoot in your rifle. Again Barnes is a GREAT bullet, just not what I buy. I think you may be confusing Speer's Deep Curl stuff with Federal's Fusion line of ammo. Sounds like it might be a similar technology though. |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 11:14:27 AM
Originally Posted By Winn:
Originally Posted By Chacal87:
Why not a Speer Deep Curl or Grand Slam? 165 or 180 grain. The Deep Curl is the same bullet as they use in their Fusion line of ammo. Same technology they use in making their Gold Dot bullets.? They swage a core, and then essentially put the bullets through a copper wash (at least that's my understanding). This joins the two molecularly as opposed to "bonding" (gluing) the jacket and core together. Because of that there are no potential air bubbles or gaps between the jacket and core, very uniform bullet that retains weight well. The Grand Slam is also a great bullet. The jacket has a ring near the cannelure that semi separates the core, not a full partition but it seems to hold it together well. I've used it and I also load it for my sister's 7mm-08 hunting load. She's taken a couple of elk with a 145 gr. Grand Slam out of her little Howa 7mm-08 rifle. Also she's taken some pretty good sized whitetail bucks with the same load and rifle. Been able to recover a couple of the bullets, they were >2 times the original diameter and 85%+ weight retention. Some people pass Speer by, but they really do make a great bullet. I've even taken a bull elk or two with just a plain hot-cor Speer 180 in a .300 Win mag. Whichever bullet you find that has acceptable performance and weight, but also gives you the most consistency on paper. Barnes makes a very tough bullet, but because they contain no lead they are longer. Longer isn't necessarily a bad thing but I've seen a rifle or two that had to be loaded with a lighter Barnes bullet because the heavier weights wouldn't stabilize without a faster twist rifle. Barnes is also expensive, if you shoot 5 Barnes and get a keyhole that's a pretty expensive way to find out if they'll shoot in your rifle. Again Barnes is a GREAT bullet, just not what I buy. I think you may be confusing Speer's Deep Curl stuff with Federal's Fusion line of ammo. Sounds like it might be a similar technology though. I have several friends who work for ATK (they own Speer, Federal, CCI, RCBS, Alliant Powder, etc) including a sales rep to sporting good stores, and an ATK engineer. The Deep Curl is the same bullet, packaged in a Speer box, and offered as a reloading component. |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 11:44:12 AM
Agree on the Rem. Core-Lokts if cost is an issue. Go 180 grain. They are 'low tech', not the goodest and bestest for accuracy and performance but are still perfectly adequate and have done the job for decades. Cheap enough that you can shoot and practice more.
Be sure to get in shape for the hunt. |
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Winn
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Posted: 2/6/2012 7:11:50 PM
Originally Posted By Chacal87:
I have several friends who work for ATK (they own Speer, Federal, CCI, RCBS, Alliant Powder, etc) including a sales rep to sporting good stores, and an ATK engineer. The Deep Curl is the same bullet, packaged in a Speer box, and offered as a reloading component. Interesting ... |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 3:25:31 PM
With the long barnes and RL 22 u may run in to a problem with a full case of powder and not be able to seat the bullet down enough I use RL 22 61.5 gr with nosler 165 gr BTand it is a compressed load ??
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Posted: 11/20/2012 7:07:19 PM
Any of the above. Pick one that shoots accurately in your rifle, put one through the heart/lungs, and eat steak.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:34:59 PM
I shot my bull this year at about 280 yards with my old pre-64 .270 Win. This was my first year using Nosler Partition 150 gr bullets. In the past, I used basic Core-Lokts from Remington.
I can't comment on how good Partitions are in 30-06, but in .270 I will never hunt elk or deer with anything else again. I took a less than optimal shot in high wind, and I underestimated the wind when I picked my point of aim. It was a quartering-away shot, and the bullet entered just in front of the rear quarter, through the guts, and into a lung. Amazing penetration, good expansion, and overall a clean kill given how poor my shot was. This was kind of a deja-vu moment for me, as about 10 years ago I shot at a cow from 350 yards, again in high wind with the same .270 rifle using Core-Lokts. As far as I know, I hit the animal in about the same spot, but it got over a ridge and into the next valley. I tracked it for the better part of 8 hours before finally giving up and having to turn around. I came back again the next day, picking up where I left off, but never could catch up to it. In all my years hunting, that's the only animal I ever lost, and I almost made the same mistake again. I am firmly convinced the Partition bullet was the main reason this kill was clean, especially given my crappy shot. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 9:17:11 PM
This one was recovered from a 4x4 bull. Broke both front shoulders, ended up just under the hide.
Prolly running 2700 fps, shot was 45 yds. Remaining slug weighs 112 gr.  |
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