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Wife wants some and we found some
Only thing I know is what I have read and it is all over the board We are looking at 3 females 2-1/2 years old and not white they are Huacaya I think We have goats 3 pygmys we raised from about 8 weeks old and they are 2 now, Alpacas will be in their own area and barn, due to parasite swapping I have read they need ivermectin monthy to combat Meningeal worms, if that is true what a pain, others have never wormed them??? I have no issues doing fecals monthly or weekly, can not be much different than the goats She wants to raise babies etc in the next couple years I tried Alpacanation, seems to be old and lame forum (it has been almost a week and not approved for membership) Any other places to ask advice? What to look for in a 2-1/2 year old? Do you attempt to check Famachi like a goat for anemia? Help Sorry so long |
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Wife wants some and we found some Only thing I know is what I have read and it is all over the board We are looking at 3 females 2-1/2 years old and not white they are Huacaya I think We have goats 3 pygmys we raised from about 8 weeks old and they are 2 now, Alpacas will be in their own area and barn, due to parasite swapping I have read they need ivermectin monthy to combat Meningeal worms, if that is true what a pain, others have never wormed them??? I have no issues doing fecals monthly or weekly, can not be much different than the goats She wants to raise babies etc in the next couple years I tried Alpacanation, seems to be old and lame forum (it has been almost a week and not approved for membership) Any other places to ask advice? What to look for in a 2-1/2 year old? Do you attempt to check Famachi like a goat for anemia? Help Sorry so long View Quote I have no personal experience with Alpacas, though we have neighbors who raised them for several years. (I'm in Southern KY, near Tennessee border). However I found something useful with regard to the ivermectin. I don't know whether it would help you or not. We raised show quality rotties for a while when we were doing SAR actively, and the cost of the heartworm meds became really overwhelming for that many dogs. A vet friend who's a horse specialist sold us the liquid Ivermectin that was mixed with green apple flavoring. We got it in large bottles, kept it in the fridge, and were able to dose our dogs according to weight. They liked the liquid and ate it like candy. Thought it was a treat. The doc said his horses were the same way. They wanted it. I don't know if this is useful to you with the alpacas or not. You still may have to use a head gate or something. You could check with a vet near you and see. The neighbor's alpacas were tame and could be petted, so vetting was fairly easy for them. Sorry I don't have more to offer. I think alpacas are cute, but I understand they can be cute pains in the ass, too. |
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Cool, thanks!
Don't want cuddleys, just more animals to take care of, lol |
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Cool, thanks! Don't want cuddleys, just more animals to take care of, lol View Quote They are pretty easy to take care of. They do ok even on mediocre pasture grass and their hooves are easy on the ground. Speaking of hooves, they do need to be trimmed periodically just like goats but it is easy if you can get them to stand still. Our girls don't need hoof trims very often since they have the run of the property and walk up and down the hill on our brushed concrete driveway. |
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We are driving 3hrs on the 17th/18th to get them, I only have a 5x8 x 6ft tall enclosed trailer for them, I figured start and stop slow and spread a bail of hay out for them to lay on(will the dark trailer be an issue?)
Really need a small stock trailer now what should I look for? clear eyes, no cough and no noticeably sores, and tight skin? do the "bloat" like some goats do? When we transfer goats I like to give them an oral wash of probiatics/vit.B/Vit. B complex/honey to help calm them do these guys need anything? Do you know of a forum for these guys? Thanks sorry so long winded |
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They are pretty easy to take care of. They do ok even on mediocre pasture grass and their hooves are easy on the ground. Speaking of hooves, they do need to be trimmed periodically just like goats but it is easy if you can get them to stand still. Our girls don't need hoof trims very often since they have the run of the property and walk up and down the hill on our brushed concrete driveway. View Quote This thread made me interested so I went looking around. Are they really afraid of everything/spook at everything? OP's questions about trailering especially made me wonder. |
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We are driving 3hrs on the 17th/18th to get them, I only have a 5x8 x 6ft tall enclosed trailer for them, I figured start and stop slow and spread a bail of hay out for them to lay on(will the dark trailer be an issue?) ?Is this trailer well ventilated? It's probably cool enough there that overheating won't be an issue, but it would be here with 70 degree temperatures. Some kind of rubber matting on the floor would be ideal, if the present surface is slippery or permeable. Or you could spread a bale of straw. I transport mine in a Dodge Caravan with great ease, and have decided not to get a horse trailer.? ?Perhaps place the hay in a big hay bucket so they can snack on it during the trip. ? Really need a small stock trailer now A good horse trailer with good ventilation. A side opening door rather than a drop down ramp is much easier. A person door at the front is idea. Be wary of equipment trailers not intended for hauling livestock, they are bad news in an accident.? ? what should I look for? ?First, a person you have confidence in. There are lots of good people in alpacas, and some snake oil salesmen. You should be able to look to your seller for mentorship. They should tell you the pluses and minuses of each animal your are considering. The common recommendation is to visit a half dozen farms or more before purchasing. The animals should be in good weight and condition. Ask the seller to show you how to body score. Alpacas should be 4-6/9. Don't buy underweight animals. ?Also ask the seller to show you how to look at eyelid color. They should be nice and pink like your goats. Since you plan to breed, it would be great to buy animals with good quality fleece. This is the hardest part to get up to speed on quickly so you will need to lean on your seller quite a bit. I think you are buying only females. That makes sense. Half your babies will be boys anyway, better for you to go out to stud than to buy your own male. You can probably negotiate breedings into your sale contract. Check on the repro histories of the girls to be sure they are sound. clear eyes, no cough and no noticeably sores, and tight skin? Yes, clear eyes?, no dermatitis on the fronts of their legs or in their feet. Correct conformation. do the "bloat" like some goats do? ?It's a pretty rare problem.? When we transfer goats I like to give them an oral wash of probiatics/vit.B/Vit. B complex/honey to help calm them do these guys need anything? It wouldn't hurt but I've never done it and I've flown them here. It would be best to feed them very much like they've been fed, then make any changes you want to make slowly over several weeks. See if you can't bring some of their hay home.? Do you know of a forum for these guys? Most of the current forums have moved to Facebook. Paca This is one active forum with pretty tight rules, I'm sure there are others.? Thanks sorry so long winded View Quote Answers above are from my wife, she's the HMFIC of the alpacas. One thing she did say to me was monthly Ivermectin is recommended for your area. |
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This thread made me interested so I went looking around. Are they really afraid of everything/spook at everything? OP's questions about trailering especially made me wonder. View Quote They can be a little skittish but that comes from their history of being eaten by dang near every predator in their natural environment. If trained right when they are young they do take to being haltered and lead by a lead. We don't own a trailer, we usually transport in a Dodge Caravan with the rear seats removed. Before we got the Caravan we used our Xterra and even put two in the back of our Rav4. |
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They can be a little skittish but that comes from their history of being eaten by dang near every predator in their natural environment. If trained right when they are young they do take to being haltered and lead by a lead. We don't own a trailer, we usually transport in a Dodge Caravan with the rear seats removed. Before we got the Caravan we used our Xterra and even put two in the back of our Rav4. View Quote Wow. That sounds almost more like transporting big dogs than the livestock I see on the farm near us. I had no idea they could fold into such small spaces. Now let me say...we've petted one or two of their alpacas, so maybe those were the bigger ones. Then again..I can fit some serious shit in my Caravan. Alpacas would have to lie down in there though. I'm scratching my head about how this works. (That is in NO WAY a suggestion that you are anything but accurate and honest. It's just...wow..it's a paradigm shift. Tall livestock in a minivan. That's kinda cool actually. Now I want a video. ) |
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Wow. That sounds almost more like transporting big dogs than the livestock I see on the farm near us. I had no idea they could fold into such small spaces. Now let me say...we've petted one or two of their alpacas, so maybe those were the bigger ones. Then again..I can fit some serious shit in my Caravan. Alpacas would have to lie down in there though. I'm scratching my head about how this works. (That is in NO WAY a suggestion that you are anything but accurate and honest. It's just...wow..it's a paradigm shift. Tall livestock in a minivan. That's kinda cool actually. Now I want a video. ) View Quote Once they get in they just fold up their legs and cush. Getting the mom and her cria in the back of the Rav4 for a 2 hour drive was fun, especially when she stuck her head out the rear passenger window at stoplights. |
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Do you have a dog that lives with the herd, like a Maremma or Anatolian?
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Answers above are from my wife, she's the HMFIC of the alpacas. One thing she did say to me was monthly Ivermectin is recommended for your area. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We are driving 3hrs on the 17th/18th to get them, I only have a 5x8 x 6ft tall enclosed trailer for them, I figured start and stop slow and spread a bail of hay out for them to lay on(will the dark trailer be an issue?) ?Is this trailer well ventilated? It's probably cool enough there that overheating won't be an issue, but it would be here with 70 degree temperatures. Some kind of rubber matting on the floor would be ideal, if the present surface is slippery or permeable. Or you could spread a bale of straw. I transport mine in a Dodge Caravan with great ease, and have decided not to get a horse trailer.? ?Perhaps place the hay in a big hay bucket so they can snack on it during the trip. ? Really need a small stock trailer now A good horse trailer with good ventilation. A side opening door rather than a drop down ramp is much easier. A person door at the front is idea. Be wary of equipment trailers not intended for hauling livestock, they are bad news in an accident.? ? what should I look for? ?First, a person you have confidence in. There are lots of good people in alpacas, and some snake oil salesmen. You should be able to look to your seller for mentorship. They should tell you the pluses and minuses of each animal your are considering. The common recommendation is to visit a half dozen farms or more before purchasing. The animals should be in good weight and condition. Ask the seller to show you how to body score. Alpacas should be 4-6/9. Don't buy underweight animals. ?Also ask the seller to show you how to look at eyelid color. They should be nice and pink like your goats. Since you plan to breed, it would be great to buy animals with good quality fleece. This is the hardest part to get up to speed on quickly so you will need to lean on your seller quite a bit. I think you are buying only females. That makes sense. Half your babies will be boys anyway, better for you to go out to stud than to buy your own male. You can probably negotiate breedings into your sale contract. Check on the repro histories of the girls to be sure they are sound. clear eyes, no cough and no noticeably sores, and tight skin? Yes, clear eyes?, no dermatitis on the fronts of their legs or in their feet. Correct conformation. do the "bloat" like some goats do? ?It's a pretty rare problem.? When we transfer goats I like to give them an oral wash of probiatics/vit.B/Vit. B complex/honey to help calm them do these guys need anything? It wouldn't hurt but I've never done it and I've flown them here. It would be best to feed them very much like they've been fed, then make any changes you want to make slowly over several weeks. See if you can't bring some of their hay home.? Do you know of a forum for these guys? Most of the current forums have moved to Facebook. Paca This is one active forum with pretty tight rules, I'm sure there are others.? Thanks sorry so long winded Answers above are from my wife, she's the HMFIC of the alpacas. One thing she did say to me was monthly Ivermectin is recommended for your area. Which one does she recommend, I see it for horses, swine and cattle is it done under skin or in muscles? |
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We are driving 3hrs on the 17th/18th to get them, I only have a 5x8 x 6ft tall enclosed trailer for them, I figured start and stop slow and spread a bail of hay out for them to lay on(will the dark trailer be an issue?) ?Is this trailer well ventilated? It's probably cool enough there that overheating won't be an issue, but it would be here with 70 degree temperatures. Some kind of rubber matting on the floor would be ideal, if the present surface is slippery or permeable. Or you could spread a bale of straw. I transport mine in a Dodge Caravan with great ease, and have decided not to get a horse trailer.? ?Perhaps place the hay in a big hay bucket so they can snack on it during the trip. ? Really need a small stock trailer now A good horse trailer with good ventilation. A side opening door rather than a drop down ramp is much easier. A person door at the front is idea. Be wary of equipment trailers not intended for hauling livestock, they are bad news in an accident.? ? what should I look for? ?First, a person you have confidence in. There are lots of good people in alpacas, and some snake oil salesmen. You should be able to look to your seller for mentorship. They should tell you the pluses and minuses of each animal your are considering. The common recommendation is to visit a half dozen farms or more before purchasing. The animals should be in good weight and condition. Ask the seller to show you how to body score. Alpacas should be 4-6/9. Don't buy underweight animals. ?Also ask the seller to show you how to look at eyelid color. They should be nice and pink like your goats. Since you plan to breed, it would be great to buy animals with good quality fleece. This is the hardest part to get up to speed on quickly so you will need to lean on your seller quite a bit. I think you are buying only females. That makes sense. Half your babies will be boys anyway, better for you to go out to stud than to buy your own male. You can probably negotiate breedings into your sale contract. Check on the repro histories of the girls to be sure they are sound. clear eyes, no cough and no noticeably sores, and tight skin? Yes, clear eyes?, no dermatitis on the fronts of their legs or in their feet. Correct conformation. do the "bloat" like some goats do? ?It's a pretty rare problem.? When we transfer goats I like to give them an oral wash of probiatics/vit.B/Vit. B complex/honey to help calm them do these guys need anything? It wouldn't hurt but I've never done it and I've flown them here. It would be best to feed them very much like they've been fed, then make any changes you want to make slowly over several weeks. See if you can't bring some of their hay home.? Do you know of a forum for these guys? Most of the current forums have moved to Facebook. Paca This is one active forum with pretty tight rules, I'm sure there are others.? Thanks sorry so long winded Answers above are from my wife, she's the HMFIC of the alpacas. One thing she did say to me was monthly Ivermectin is recommended for your area. Which one does she recommend, I see it for horses, swine and cattle is it done under skin or in muscles? I'm on travel right now but will email her to ask. I thought we gave it in as oral paste but I might be thinking of something else. |
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Thats cool thanks...easier than needles View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Well, I was half right. Here is her response: If using ivermectin for prevention of meningeal worm, which most people on the East Coast need to do, it must be injectible and given subQ, not oral. The cattle formulation is fine, it is a 1% solution. If it is being used for parasite treatment, it can be done as oral paste.
Automatic deworming on a schedule is not recommended, and should instead be done based on the results of a fecal. Also, check with the seller for recommendations regarding local conditions, problems, treatments. |
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Tell her thank you!
If y'all make it to my area beer and wine is on me.... |
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How do you use the product from an alpaca as a small farmer? What do you do with it? Is it profitable?
I Know next to nothing about these animals, so I'm asking. |
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Wife and I raise alpacas here on the Big Island. We currently have 12 of our own but have set up several other people who were interested in them locally. Wife is a vet and she does our fecals and only doses for worms when needed. Pacas are goofy and stupid... not sheep stupid but not goat smart either. They tend to be mellow so get used to walking around them slowly. In general they do not like to be touched, even moms and babies don't cuddle. If you want huggable pets look elsewhere. Ours are pretty much pasture fed but get a cup of alpaca chow a day for vitamins and we free choice minerals. They must be sheared once a year before summer sets in. As I said, they are goofy but kinda fun and I like having them around. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/honu_photo/Jasper.jpg View Quote Neckbeard Alpacas? Did you find the .22lr stash yet? |
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How do you use the product from an alpaca as a small farmer? What do you do with it? Is it profitable? I Know next to nothing about these animals, so I'm asking.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> View Quote After we shear we clean the fleece and send if off to a mini-mill on the mainland to be woven into thread/yarn which comes back to us on bulk spools. The wife converts the bulk spools to useable/sellable skeins. For our colored yarn we sell as is through local farmer's market and some direct sales. For the whites we sell as is or she dyes it. She has also started knitting as a hobby and those products are also sold. Profitable? Sometime maybe slightly but not enough to count for true income but enough to keep the IRS off our back for this to be a business and not a hobby. The plus side is we can write off farm expenses and maintain our ag zoning. We make more selling or brokering the animals than we do from the fiber. |
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After we shear we clean the fleece and send if off to a mini-mill on the mainland to be woven into thread/yarn which comes back to us on bulk spools. The wife converts the bulk spools to useable/sellable skeins. For our colored yarn we sell as is through local farmer's market and some direct sales. For the whites we sell as is or she dyes it. She has also started knitting as a hobby and those products are also sold. Profitable? Sometime maybe slightly but not enough to count for true income but enough to keep the IRS off our back for this to be a business and not a hobby. The plus side is we can write off farm expenses and maintain our ag zoning. We make more selling or brokering the animals than we do from the fiber. View Quote Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure how the process worked. It's really cool that you can take their fleece and bring it home to a value-added product. |
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Great info! and that is our idea.
we found a local alpaca farm and he will be my "mentor" they are 6 miles away (45 mins ) so it will be a win/win shoulld have pictures of them this weekend other places have been $$$ and 3 hrs away.... been working on barn/lot last week |
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Great info! and that is our idea. we found a local alpaca farm and he will be my "mentor" they are 6 miles away (45 mins<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle> ) so it will be a win/win shoulld have pictures of them this weekend<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> other places have been $$ and 3 hrs away.... been working on barn/lot last week View Quote Looking forward to seeing the pics. |
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Great info! and that is our idea. we found a local alpaca farm and he will be my "mentor" they are 6 miles away (45 mins<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle> ) so it will be a win/win shoulld have pictures of them this weekend<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> other places have been $$ and 3 hrs away.... been working on barn/lot last week View Quote Six miles is 45 mins for you? Are you on the opposite side of Nashville from the mentor? |
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Six miles is 45 mins for you?<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_confused.gif border=0 align=middle> Are you on the opposite side of Nashville from the mentor?<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle> View Quote 45 minutes by alpaca, 10 minutes by car. |
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Awesome they are willing to mentor you. You'll have fun, they are some goofy creatures sometimes.
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That's really awesome! You're starting out right.
Wish I was into textiles. I could get into having those cuties around. |
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Thanks ya'll, we are very lucky
Me/ him will pick them up 1 at a time first 3 weeks of may and start the included breeding process, second week he'll get 2 and check previous weeks work, rinse and repeat until they all do "the leave me alone spit test" Then at 6 months we will do an ultra sound and repeat process if not breed. Should be an awesome experience, and it's cheaper than a corvette mid life crisis The bad part? It is 33* and has been raining all day.....I keep changing clothes to throw into drier..... |
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Thanks ya'll, we are very lucky Me/ him will pick them up 1 at a time first 3 weeks of may and start the included breeding process, second week he'll get 2 and check previous weeks work, rinse and repeat until they all do "the leave me alone spit test" Then at 6 months we will do an ultra sound and repeat process if not breed. Should be an awesome experience, and it's cheaper than a corvette mid life crisis The bad part? It is 33* and has been raining all day.....I keep changing clothes to throw into drier..... View Quote you're getting what we got last night. Ours turned to ice though (not too bad--not nearly as bad as it could have been.) Can't wait to see the pics as you get them and the progress. Hope you keep posting! |
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So have been working after work last 2 nights, finishing some loose ends. With door open, wind could/would drive rain and snow into thier dry living area; i figured an easy fix would be a "hallway" 28* and wind sucks http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u182/turtlemechanic/Beginner%20goating/20161220_193452_zpsfw9ih1tl.jpg http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u182/turtlemechanic/Beginner%20goating/20161220_193502_zpswoid7zqa.jpg Got 1 side done last night, the other tonight....tomorrow hopefully the roof A couple troughs to build and check for nails again......hectic times...T minus 2.5 days.. View Quote I wanna be YOUR animal. (no metaphor or innuendo intended. I'm talking FARM animal.) That's a great idea, and good on you for caring enough to build that. |
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So have been working after work last 2 nights, finishing some loose ends. With door open, wind could/would drive rain and snow into thier dry living area; i figured an easy fix would be a "hallway" 28* and wind sucks http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u182/turtlemechanic/Beginner%20goating/20161220_193452_zpsfw9ih1tl.jpg http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u182/turtlemechanic/Beginner%20goating/20161220_193502_zpswoid7zqa.jpg Got 1 side done last night, the other tonight....tomorrow hopefully the roof A couple troughs to build and check for nails again......hectic times...T minus 2.5 days.. View Quote My stupid fuckers would rather cush in the rain than use their shelter. |
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That's an awesome truck!
Would love to have use of a truck like that. *bows low to OP* So...what's up with the metal and metal detecting? Do alpacas have thing for metal? |
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We don't metal check our alfalfa/orchard grass. The way pacas nibble at their food we haven't been worried about it. Likewise, they don't seem to chew cords, ropes, or similar stuff. Our goats, on the other hand...
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Worried about drop nails and screws from projects thats all and the barn is old, only takes like 5 min.
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Good to hear another alpacas are too mellow and leave everything alone
And i agree with the goat comment they destroy anything they get their mouths or hoofs on |
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Awesome, you're gonna love em.
Do you have anything to guard them from predators like feral dogs, coyotes, wolves, polar bears, etc? |
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Awesome, you're gonna love em. Do you have anything to guard them from predators like feral dogs, coyotes, wolves, polar bears, etc? View Quote Well.....dugh...a couple AR15's We will run some electric this weekend...Zapp...Zapp.... Lucky us...no Polar bears yet Wolves...mmm....they caught the ones that escaped/vandals let loose last year If it harasses any of my animals it dies I don't play any of the GD crap of my Feelzzzzz I keep my animals and pets up...everyone elsa can to We only have 2 more feral dogs running around, and I have a bounty on them I hope the gals sleep okay tonite...I will be out several times checking on them I am sure |
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They have finally settled in and are coming when I go to feed here are a few pictures snapped yesterday http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u182/turtlemechanic/Alpacas/20161225_190842_zps94ych8s4.jpg http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u182/turtlemechanic/Alpacas/20161225_190532_zps6elbi13v.jpg http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u182/turtlemechanic/Alpacas/20161225_190916_zpss3eouast.jpg and from Adrious's visit http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u182/turtlemechanic/Alpacas/20161226_122859_zpsrkvpjiqj.jpg [size="1"] Disclaimer, i never tie Andrious off, just needed a quick picture[/SIZE] View Quote Great pics throughout the thread! You've done a crapload of work. I'm truly jealous that you have animals that will thrive with the kind of construction you're doing. Hogs would tear that stuff up. Not trying to derail you thread, I'm just jealous that you get to build that cool stuff.?? |
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After you build your corral/catch pen, feed them in there a few times without hassling them so they get used to it.
I never found injections to be that tough but getting them to hold still for jugular blood draws can be a bitch. Same with hoof trims if we don't use a holding chute. |
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