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Posted: 11/8/2015 4:44:19 PM EDT
We are looking at what kind of dog to get. 160 acres, no close neighbors. I'd like a medium/medium large sized animal that could be possibly trained to track wounded deer, antler shed hunt, and enjoy being outside most of the year when I'm am working around the property. I don't waterfowl hunt, but I've always enjoyed the labs friends and family have had. Me and the wife are both pretty active, and once we get the house built I'll be at the property full time so leaving the dog in the house/alone won't be a constant issue.
Help me out here, growing up I had a Collie, nice enough dog but way to much fur for the amount of sticky things we have around. |
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Just looked a bit at that breed...might be a good option. Do you have a problem keeping them close? We also have coyotes around.
Eta-do they drink all your good whiskey? |
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Rhodesian Ridgeback. View Quote Well trained ridgeback. Otherwise, super dangerous. They are hunters by nature, and are seriously ruthless at it. Any herd and/or guard dog type work well. Have a cur with a little shepherd in him, hard headed as hell but one hell of a protector/lookout. Had labs growing up, great dogs. Also had several mutts, really can't beat a good mutt when it comes to intelligence and loyalty. |
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Well trained ridgeback. Otherwise, super dangerous. They are hunters by nature, and are seriously ruthless at it. Any herd and/or guard dog type work well. Have a cur with a little shepherd in him, hard headed as hell but one hell of a protector/lookout. Had labs growing up, great dogs. Also had several mutts, really can't beat a good mutt when it comes to intelligence and loyalty. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Rhodesian Ridgeback. Well trained ridgeback. Otherwise, super dangerous. They are hunters by nature, and are seriously ruthless at it. Any herd and/or guard dog type work well. Have a cur with a little shepherd in him, hard headed as hell but one hell of a protector/lookout. Had labs growing up, great dogs. Also had several mutts, really can't beat a good mutt when it comes to intelligence and loyalty. I agree, they are serious hunters. I had one on the big island of Hawaii back in they day and it would patrol the property by itself,perimeter patrols. No one bothered me. Good boy. |
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Well trained ridgeback. Otherwise, super dangerous. They are hunters by nature, and are seriously ruthless at it. Any herd and/or guard dog type work well. Have a cur with a little shepherd in him, hard headed as hell but one hell of a protector/lookout. Had labs growing up, great dogs. Also had several mutts, really can't beat a good mutt when it comes to intelligence and loyalty. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Rhodesian Ridgeback. Well trained ridgeback. Otherwise, super dangerous. They are hunters by nature, and are seriously ruthless at it. Any herd and/or guard dog type work well. Have a cur with a little shepherd in him, hard headed as hell but one hell of a protector/lookout. Had labs growing up, great dogs. Also had several mutts, really can't beat a good mutt when it comes to intelligence and loyalty. Dangerous in what way? Towards people or any living critter? I'm not looking for a cruise missle of death, neighbors do walk the dirt road with their dogs. |
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Great Pyrenees - territorial and protective and very laid back until it's time to "Get It On" with predators or tresspassers
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Catahoula cur
That is my next dog once I move to my country property. |
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English mastiff. The original castle protector. Smart low maintenance dogs.
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Get a Lab. Sweet, friendly, and smart, great for hunting. I have a female Ridgeback at the moment and she's a great dog, but she'd be worthless for hunting or tracking when compared to a Lab.
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Quoted: Dangerous in what way? Towards people or any living critter? I'm not looking for a cruise missle of death, neighbors do walk the dirt road with their dogs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rhodesian Ridgeback. Well trained ridgeback. Otherwise, super dangerous. They are hunters by nature, and are seriously ruthless at it. Any herd and/or guard dog type work well. Have a cur with a little shepherd in him, hard headed as hell but one hell of a protector/lookout. Had labs growing up, great dogs. Also had several mutts, really can't beat a good mutt when it comes to intelligence and loyalty. Dangerous in what way? Towards people or any living critter? I'm not looking for a cruise missle of death, neighbors do walk the dirt road with their dogs. BY dangerous he probably means that since they were domesticated as village guard dogs, and co-habitated with people if poorly trained to not separate threat from friend, they'll seriously fuck shit up. They were also used to hunt lions. From my experience with the one, and reading about them, they're a lot like border collies. Smart, sensitive (I.E. don't hit or yell at them) and if their prey/ herd/ hunt drive is activated, they make it their mission in life. Other wise they don't care. But, I don't want to speak for him, just throwing in my .02 since I'm up. |
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They can be retarded instead. Ex GF had one that was nice, but poorly trained. BY dangerous he probably means that since they were domesticated as village guard dogs, and co-habitated with people if poorly trained to not separate threat from friend, they'll seriously fuck shit up. They were also used to hunt lions. From my experience with the one, and reading about them, they're a lot like border collies. Smart, sensitive (I.E. don't hit or yell at them) and if their prey/ herd/ hunt drive is activated, they make it their mission in life. Other wise they don't care. But, I don't want to speak for him, just throwing in my .02 since I'm up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Rhodesian Ridgeback. Well trained ridgeback. Otherwise, super dangerous. They are hunters by nature, and are seriously ruthless at it. Any herd and/or guard dog type work well. Have a cur with a little shepherd in him, hard headed as hell but one hell of a protector/lookout. Had labs growing up, great dogs. Also had several mutts, really can't beat a good mutt when it comes to intelligence and loyalty. Dangerous in what way? Towards people or any living critter? I'm not looking for a cruise missle of death, neighbors do walk the dirt road with their dogs. BY dangerous he probably means that since they were domesticated as village guard dogs, and co-habitated with people if poorly trained to not separate threat from friend, they'll seriously fuck shit up. They were also used to hunt lions. From my experience with the one, and reading about them, they're a lot like border collies. Smart, sensitive (I.E. don't hit or yell at them) and if their prey/ herd/ hunt drive is activated, they make it their mission in life. Other wise they don't care. But, I don't want to speak for him, just throwing in my .02 since I'm up. This. If they are not socialized with other dogs, the potential that they will see them as a threat is high. If a Ridgeback decides something is a threat, it will destroy it, period. They are not "snap like a friendly pitbull into a baby killer" type dogs, but of all of the untrained dogs I wouldn't ever want to run into, Ridgeback is pretty high on my list. |
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That Catahoula is a good looking dog, maybe a bit larger than I'd like, though. Guess I'm leaning towards some type of retriever/hound.
I'm in mid Michigan, we have humid late summers, and obviously cold winters. Dog would be inside with us at night, and, if anything like the other cats and dogs I've had, right in front of the wood burner snoozing. My cousin got a chocolate lab/German shorthair mix that seems to have the best of both of those breeds. Still lots of energy, but just a good all terrain/all season up for anything dog. Thanks to everyone for their time and input. |
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I've found the best dogs are adopted mutts. They're usually more even tempered, lack the AKC caused inbreeding defects, and are all around great dogs.
Plus you can get a whole pack of them all at once at the pound |
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I've found the best dogs are adopted mutts. They're usually more even tempered, lack the AKC caused inbreeding defects, and are all around great dogs. Plus you can get a whole pack of them all at once at the pound View Quote A lot of truth to this. My uncles 12+ year old rescue dog passed away recently, it looked for all intents like a slightly overweight coyote, anyway, very loyal and trouble free dog that was pretty healthy until he went to sleep. I swear that dog would roll his eyes if you did something stupid. What will probably happen is that when we are settled on the property, the right dog will adopt us. |
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Mountain Cur dogs will be the only dogs I own from here on out.
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The list of dogs that would fit your need is LONG. Also, do you have a budget? Many purebred dogs can get into $1,500-$2,500 range. Hunting dogs may not always correlate with guardian dogs. Above posters are correct. Dogs often work best when paired. They have a pack mentality. Some of my favorites have been a Vizsla, Cane Corso, Golden or Lab Retriever, GSD, Belgian malanois, etc. Many will adapt to what you want them to do although some breeds just do things best of course.
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I have a bernese mountain dog, but that is way bigger than you want.
Other than her, the best outdoors dog I ever had was a German Shorthair. |
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My vote would be for an Akita. They are very loyal and intelligent animals. They aren't destructive and can be an inside and/or outside dog. Our first 3 were primarily outside and our current one is inside. He is very disciplined but also can be spiteful. If we walk to the neighbors house he will take a crap right inside the front door. The neighbors are dog people and have a little dog that he likes. His thought process is that we should take him with us and so to avoid the problem we actually get in the car and drive around the block to see our next door neighbor. It sounds silly but it works. On the contrary we can leave meat on the counter to thaw and have never had him touch it.
The downside in my opinion is they can be territorial towards other animals. My current one is the worst I have seen with this, he will kill any uninvited dog on our property. He is fine with all but 2 of our neighbors dogs. The 2 he doesn't like he totally ignores them barking and taunting him until they set foot in our yard, then its a death sentence. One is an older lab and the other an Australian Shepard. Here is a link with more information from myself and other ARF members. Guard Dog Thread on ARF The dog I mentioned getting in my post on this thread I still have today. He is great with our 4lb Yorkie and my 11 month old daughter. Sad Akita Story Grove |
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A lot of truth to this. My uncles 12+ year old rescue dog passed away recently, it looked for all intents like a slightly overweight coyote, anyway, very loyal and trouble free dog that was pretty healthy until he went to sleep. I swear that dog would roll his eyes if you did something stupid. What will probably happen is that when we are settled on the property, the right dog will adopt us. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've found the best dogs are adopted mutts. They're usually more even tempered, lack the AKC caused inbreeding defects, and are all around great dogs. Plus you can get a whole pack of them all at once at the pound A lot of truth to this. My uncles 12+ year old rescue dog passed away recently, it looked for all intents like a slightly overweight coyote, anyway, very loyal and trouble free dog that was pretty healthy until he went to sleep. I swear that dog would roll his eyes if you did something stupid. What will probably happen is that when we are settled on the property, the right dog will adopt us. This 100%. My wife is a vet tech at our local animal hospital and the mutts are always the best. Of course saying that usually offends those who shelled out the big bucks for a pure bread designer dog. That said our current dog is an English shepherd type mix. |
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My Aussie/border collie mix is awesome.
She is very protective of "her " territory. No one comes...goes or moves with out her taking notice. Other animals outside of her "herd " on it like flies to shit. She's cuaght all but one possum trying to set up shop...treed two bears...and about a dozen coons. Tree rats are her crack cocaine .....even muttering "squir........." off at 5k MPH to each tree...around the yard and stays on watch for 10 minutes. And once she is focused on her target that's it...until I pulled her off...then she circles and waits. Very very smart dog.. I say "patrol " at dark and she's up and in front of me searching as we walk the perimeter ... I jog her each day...and hopefully in spring well start a new flock and get her used to "the babies ". Some reason you say that and she get super careful around smaller animals. Sheltered some hand sized kittens during a storm one night (mom had spooked and left them..thx to the dog) After letting her smell them and saying the above...she put them between her paws and started licking them clean. She hates small dogs and out 16+ year old cat....... But she's been a great rescue ...and awesome addition to our family. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: One thing I worry about when people mention they have an acreage and want a dog is that they think it's OK just to let a dog run. There is a very good chance that a dog left on its own will get into trouble, when there's two of them they will get into ten times the trouble. Running deer, killing livestock, getting run over on the road, it's just not a good idea to let them run. Off my soapbox. I've owned one lab and a flatcoat retreiver. My DW is into ridgebacks and we've owned seven, four at one time. It's been an interesting life If you get a dog be serious about training. An untrained dog isn't fun to be around. If you can't train it get some help. For a first time dog owner I wouldn't recommend a ridgeback, unless you are ready for a serious time commitment for training, other breeds like the labs are much easier to train. On the other hand the ridgebacks are very cool dogs. Ours will hunt upland birds, track (wounded deer included), herd, run like the wind, play like they are going to kill each other, and will probably turn me into a cripple one of these days by running into me and taking out a knee. They are also good lap dogs. And I've had too many beers tonight or maybe just enough so here's some pics: http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/Jackpine_Savage/IMG_2927640x480.jpg http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/Jackpine_Savage/DSC_0132640x426.jpg This guy was second best dog at the Ridgeback national specialty a few years back: http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/Jackpine_Savage/709GUNC31772.jpg View Quote Awesome looking RRs... and agreed on all points. I know exactly what you mean about the buckled knee - they love to buzz the tower when they are tearing after each other at top speed and have a very well developed sense of humor. They make our 25 acres feel tiny the way they cover ground at speed. Here are my girls and an example of how they "play": And back when they were pups: And our previous (and my best) girl: |
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Quoted: My Aussie/border collie mix is awesome. She is very protective of "her " territory. No one comes...goes or moves with out her taking notice. Other animals outside of her "herd " on it like flies to shit. She's cuaght all but one possum trying to set up shop...treed two bears...and about a dozen coons. Tree rats are her crack cocaine .....even muttering "squir........." off at 5k MPH to each tree...around the yard and stays on watch for 10 minutes. And once she is focused on her target that's it...until I pulled her off...then she circles and waits. Very very smart dog.. I say "patrol " at dark and she's up and in front of me searching as we walk the perimeter ... I jog her each day...and hopefully in spring well start a new flock and get her used to "the babies ". Some reason you say that and she get super careful around smaller animals. Sheltered some hand sized kittens during a storm one night (mom had spooked and left them..thx to the dog) After letting her smell them and saying the above...she put them between her paws and started licking them clean. She hates small dogs and out 16+ year old cat....... But she's been a great rescue ...and awesome addition to our family. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote She's gotten a little more cautious as she's gotten older. From about a year to a year and a half she was the dog embodiment of "yolo". In this pic she's calculating the necessary launch vector to land on the other purebred BC. |
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I grew up with Ridgebacks and Boerboels. Boerboel takes the Ridgeback mentality and tames it a bit. They are much more laid back than RR's.
If you need a serious guard dog and can put the hours in when it comes to training, go RR. If you want a dog that sticks close to home, protects really well and can open a really big can of whoopass, get a BB. They do eat a lot and they have giant mountains of shit, but they are by far, the best dogs I've owned. If they didn't cost $1000+ here in the US, I'd have one or two now. They are definitely pack animals. The family is the pack. |
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Australian shepherd was the best dog/partner i ever had and will do all things.
I had a sheltie that was a blast but loved to kill EVERYTHING. We have to labradoodles now as we were tired of fur everywhere. Great pets but useless. Australian shepherd is the way to go and shedding isn't bad for what you get in return. |
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Good point made earlier about letting dogs run loose. Not going to happen as I manage for deer and turkeys, and we do have coyotes around. Not sure what breeds go Tasmanian devil on coyotes.
As far as shooting/gun shyness, that is a fear of mine as I'd like company when I walk the woods and I usually carry a rifle, not to mention there will be shooting in the area during various seasons. Thanks for the continued input and the great dog pics everyone. |
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In doing some reading on coyotes, just posts on this board and others, it seems the coyotes try to sucker your dog into coming out to them with a female in heat or acting hurt and then the rest of the pack hits em.
Dogs that will work together and perhaps herding mentality are what you might want to aim for. Many many many dogs will work, it will come down to how well you train them as well. I am cautious with my half catahoula half mutt dogs because they will run and run and run and wind up who knows where. It is hard keeping them around the property and with neighbors letting their dogs wander that kind of adds to the trouble because some of the scent trails my dogs pick up are on my property due to the neighbor mutts feeling they can go anywhere. I readily admit part of my problem is my issues learning to train my dogs. My dogs and I are always learning, they are a year and a half old now. Another part of the issue is work has gone to double shifts every other day. Part of training is time spent with dogs. More fun for me to come home tired and just play with the dogs. |
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We have about a two acre backyard fenced in with dog fence, that gives them a safe place to play unattended.
For gunfire we have one person doing something with the dog that the dog enjoys (playing, training) and the other start out with a .22 1/4 mile away and then gradually bring the dog closer. There's some other methods, using a starter pistol during feed time, etc, do some reading. The dogs we've raised get excited when they hear a gun off, my lab to the point that it could be a problem too. She was getting pretty old and got away from my DW when I was doing some target shooting on the other side of the farm. She found us after about an hour, crossing a creek and swamp, the next day she was so sore she couldn't get up by herself. |
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I like mine. She's gotten a little more cautious as she's gotten older. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/480727_10152338633935346_1256867298_n.jpg?oh=4791947dd2aced87ee7f581f80cb1956&oe=56B75E01 From about a year to a year and a half she was the dog embodiment of "yolo". In this pic she's calculating the necessary launch vector to land on the other purebred BC. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My Aussie/border collie mix is awesome. She is very protective of "her " territory. No one comes...goes or moves with out her taking notice. Other animals outside of her "herd " on it like flies to shit. She's cuaght all but one possum trying to set up shop...treed two bears...and about a dozen coons. Tree rats are her crack cocaine .....even muttering "squir........." off at 5k MPH to each tree...around the yard and stays on watch for 10 minutes. And once she is focused on her target that's it...until I pulled her off...then she circles and waits. Very very smart dog.. I say "patrol " at dark and she's up and in front of me searching as we walk the perimeter ... I jog her each day...and hopefully in spring well start a new flock and get her used to "the babies ". Some reason you say that and she get super careful around smaller animals. Sheltered some hand sized kittens during a storm one night (mom had spooked and left them..thx to the dog) After letting her smell them and saying the above...she put them between her paws and started licking them clean. She hates small dogs and out 16+ year old cat....... But she's been a great rescue ...and awesome addition to our family. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile She's gotten a little more cautious as she's gotten older. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/480727_10152338633935346_1256867298_n.jpg?oh=4791947dd2aced87ee7f581f80cb1956&oe=56B75E01 From about a year to a year and a half she was the dog embodiment of "yolo". In this pic she's calculating the necessary launch vector to land on the other purebred BC. Were searching. She turns 7 or 8 this spring. Going strong...but is getting spoiled ...I think she needs a young buddy to hang with. LOL. She's awesome ...but man that bark she has to tell /herd you closer to your boots and the excitement she has if I grab a pack or gun gets me in the feels. Shell..track...with me...sit and watch wait... Just plain ole awesome breed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Boarder Collie meets and exceeds many roles you want from a farm dog.
A well trained one can help in many ways around a property. |
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Any cur would be high on my list in your situation. They are excellent farm and all around hunting dogs.
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I've found the best dogs are adopted mutts. They're usually more even tempered, lack the AKC caused inbreeding defects, and are all around great dogs. Plus you can get a whole pack of them all at once at the pound View Quote This. Look for what will be an obviously larger puppy so it's not so fragile. Mutts have far fewer health issues as a rule because their questionable parentage gets rid of the problems caused by inbreeding the popular purebreds to death. ANY dog requires socialization or has the potential to become aggressive, a fear biter, territorial, etc. Even the gentler breeds. Some dogs, of course, require much stronger handling, and if you get a dog that is territorial by nature or has a strong protective nature bred into his/her line, the need for socialization and training really shoots up if you're going to prevent having a problem when he's grown up. Cute puppy behavior (read 100 lb dog jumping up on a 100 lb woman) sucks when the dog is grown up. If you choose a rottie, or another extremely loyal, loving and intelligent but stubborn breed, you're in for a lot of work, but a lot of reward. Sounds like the ridgebacks might fall into that category. I've had limited experience with that breed. It's not "my" dog if that makes sense. ANY dog will know when somebody is up to no good, and most will protect your kids if necessary. Not all. But most. The labs are always a good fallback. Gentle by nature. But they can be real pains in the ass if they're not taught to behave, and they get big. They can also get passive aggressive. No, they won't come at you full-frontal attack like a GSD or rottie. They'll wag their tails, then sneak up on you from behind.and bite the shit out of you. I'm a dog lover, and have trained dogs for SAR for a lot of years. But I'm pretty anal about every dog being taught who is alpha animal in the pack (you and your family) and taught proper socialization, even if they're just gonna be a farm dog who sleeps under the porch. There is no one perfect breed. Every good quality has a flip side, like a coin. My experience is that you get the best out of a dog when the dog is part of the family, but is taught the rules from the time his/her eyes open (which means as soon as you get the puppy.) But I personally don't think little bitty dogs work out well in a farm/outdoor environment. (I know there are a couple of exceptions to this rule. But even most of them have been bred for profit and show, to the point of losing all their stamina and better qualities.) Mutts are the best dogs. I'll say that after years of training purebreds for SAR. I love those breeds but I know what it takes to become the alpha and stay the alpha with those breeds in most cases. Most people won't put in the time and don't realize they have a problem until it's too late to fix easily. Yes, I do have a problem with the number of animals we euthanize in this country just because somebody didn't want them or didn't bother to train them while they were little so couldn't manage them later.. But even without that concern, Mutts are (usually) the better animals. YMMV of course. I'll hush now. Good luck with your dog hunt and let us know what you get! |
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Thanks Kitties. I'm defiantly not looking for an aggressive dog, I'm on this site, after all. I've never had a bad dog, but, I have never really trained a dog to do anything either, and I'd like to at least have one that could be taught to blood trail a deer, sound the alarm (one ping....).
Again, thanks everyone. I've got an 18 year old cat I took in as a stray kitten (supposed to be short term) between me and the wood stove as I type. Our plan is to wait until she goes to the big catnip patch, and get settled on the land, and then get puppy/kitten at the same time. I've had good luck that way. |
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Thanks Kitties. I'm defiantly not looking for an aggressive dog, I'm on this site, after all. I've never had a bad dog, but, I have never really trained a dog to do anything either, and I'd like to at least have one that could be taught to blood trail a deer, sound the alarm (one ping....). Again, thanks everyone. I've got an 18 year old cat I took in as a stray kitten (supposed to be short term) between me and the wood stove as I type. Our plan is to wait until she goes to the big catnip patch, and get settled on the land, and then get puppy/kitten at the same time. I've had good luck that way. View Quote Yes, when they grow up together, they really bond. We have a dog that was trained for SAR but is retired now, and he's taught to not be aggressive toward anything, and ours are not allowed to chase and/or kill small animals EVER. (That prey drive is bad for SAR work but also I just don't think my dog should be chasing and killing things that aren't doing me any harm but that's just me. You wouldn't believe how hard it is to find chew toys that don't freaking SQUEAK. ) Anyway...because they're not allowed to chase and go after animals, we never have trouble introducing new kittens/cats into the family. But it is MUCH easier to do as you do and raise them together if life allows that. |
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