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Posted: 8/5/2012 2:56:50 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Next week city council will review an ordinance I helped craft that will specifically allow bees in residential zones (with reasonable restrictions). That leaves my wife as the only obstacle. Took a while to get her onboard with the chickens but she is being more stubborn about bees. I need some more ammo for this fight. I want to start prepping now so I can order bees in the next couple of months. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 3:32:10 PM
Just do it.
It is sometimes best to ask for forgiveness, than ask for permission. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:54:40 PM
Originally Posted By scorpionmain:
Just do it. It is sometimes best to ask for forgiveness, than ask for permission. No offense, but I respectfully disagree. I realize actual partnership is not the end goal for a lot of guys, but if that IS this gentleman's end goal, this approach will simply drive a wedge between him and his wife. It may not be visible at first, but it will bite him in the ass at some point. Your mileage may vary and all that. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 9:00:55 PM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 9:07:29 PM by Kitties-with-Sigs]
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Been trying to talk my wife into a couple of hives since we bought the house four years ago. She's worried about her or the kid getting stung. While out mowing the lawn yesterday I hit some bushes and found some bees doing their thing. We all stood in the middle of the bushes with close to 1000 bees for 20 minutes and no one was stung (had a few flybys). Didn't change her opinion. Next week city council will review an ordinance I helped craft that will specifically allow bees in residential zones (with reasonable restrictions). That leaves my wife as the only obstacle. Took a while to get her onboard with the chickens but she is being more stubborn about bees. I need some more ammo for this fight. I want to start prepping now so I can order bees in the next couple of months. Rather than trying to talk her into it, maybe you should change your approach a little. She's worried about getting stung. Is she or the child allergic? If not, why is she so worried about a bee sting or two? Did she grow up in the city without every being stung? Sure it hurts. It's no fun. But in the larger scheme of things, all kids are stung by bees unless they are very, VERY sheltered. It's just part of life. Also...have you considered asking her to go and observe another beekeeper working with his bees? If she could see this, and understand how important it is for her child to understand life and its cycles, and that beekeeping is a wonderful way to teach responsibility and life and death and all of that, while potentially being a first "income" project for the child, and a great way for father/kid to bond, she might get it. But just "talking her into it" probably won't work, as there is every good chance that, since you've been married for a while, you may not be truly listening very well to her objections. If she senses that she's not being "heard" and that you are just trying to push your agenda, she won't consider the valid points you are making. Tough thing. But if you can help her to see why it's so important to you, and why you want your family involved in it, she might get it. You must work out a compromise...one in which you both get what you want. She understands that the actual risk is minimal, and you learn how to bring her into something unfamiliar and you both grow closer in the process. Edited to add: As I see that her objection is "getting stung" and she stood in those bees and did not get stung but did not soften toward the bees, I have to say, "that is not her real, deep, actual objection." So it may be that you need to talk to her and figure out what her real fear and worry about this actually is. And the thing is...YOU WILL get stung. And if they work with you on the bees, they will get stung too. It's just the way it is. You'll open that hive at some point, and the bees will be pissed, and you'll get stung. STings are part of beekeeping. So telling her she won't get stung is not going to win the day for you. Figure out what the actual issue is. Maybe she just doesn't want "one more thing" to take your attention? |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 9:46:35 PM
Better listen to Kitties.
I was just kidding. My wife is real supportive of my backyard projects, so I don't know. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 10:37:41 PM
The "better to ask forgiveness" approach is not going to work. We've been married 15 years and I learned a long time ago where that could be applied and where it should not.
I have several friends that have offered to have her come over when they are in their hives but she won't go. I think at this point she is just being stubborn and getting stung is the only reason she can still stick to. None of us are allergic to bees (that we know of). |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 10:50:38 PM
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
The "better to ask forgiveness" approach is not going to work. We've been married 15 years and I learned a long time ago where that could be applied and where it should not. I have several friends that have offered to have her come over when they are in their hives but she won't go. I think at this point she is just being stubborn and getting stung is the only reason she can still stick to. None of us are allergic to bees (that we know of). There is some other reason. If you can find it and soothe it, she will come to your side. Get her at a soft spot moment, and talk to her. Ask her, sincerely, "what is it, really? What's stopping you with this?" Get her to tell you. You know how. Or at least you DID know how, when you were dating her. Gotta remember that soft spot she had. It's still there. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:18:05 PM
Good luck. My wife has a phobia of any stinging insect so it's a no go for me. Maybe when the kids are older because that's a concern for her as well. I have a friend who keeps bees so it would actually be easy to start the hobby. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:24:48 PM
Originally Posted By C-4:
Good luck. My wife has a phobia of any stinging insect so it's a no go for me. Maybe when the kids are older because that's a concern for her as well. I have a friend who keeps bees so it would actually be easy to start the hobby. Do you have a place other than your yard you could keep them? Could you keep a hive or two at your friend's apiary? |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:30:17 PM
Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs:
Originally Posted By C-4:
Good luck. My wife has a phobia of any stinging insect so it's a no go for me. Maybe when the kids are older because that's a concern for her as well. I have a friend who keeps bees so it would actually be easy to start the hobby. Do you have a place other than your yard you could keep them? Could you keep a hive or two at your friend's apiary? I'm in search of somewhere that I can put two or three hives for next spring if she doesn't come around to the idea. Based on the pending ordinance my friend won't be allowed more than the three he has based on his lot size. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:16:27 PM
Mine was not on board at first, but reluctantly conceded. After I got them, she was somewhat interested in them. She liked watching them work the hive and I explained to her some of the intricate workings of bees that I had learned from reading books before I bought them. When she really took an interest is when we started attending the local beekeepers meetings. There are quite a few female bee keepers and she realized it wasn't a man's hobby. She learned more about them and how interesting and important they are. She was still nervous and reluctant to open the hives and explore until I bought her a full 1 piece bee suit and veil. Now she is comfortable being around them. We also got trained for the use of epinephrine just in case Someone had a reaction. This also calmed many of her fears.
I think getting her informed on the importance and benefits of bees along with talkIng to like minded people may get her more excited and interested. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 9:04:07 PM
I almost offered to talk to her...or email with her or something....if she has any questions for a female beekeeper.
But I wasn't sure that would make any difference. To the OP, the offer is there, if I can be of help. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 9:27:29 PM
Get her some beeswax products like candles, hand cream, and lotion. Maybe massage her with the lotion. She'll become more fond of bee products that way and thus maybe more open to the idea of bees.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:37:42 AM
I've had bees on my property for 3 years now. The hives are right by the house, my wife mows right past them with the mower... you get the idea. She told me when I got them, "The day I get stung is the day the bees are gone"
That day hasn't come yet. In 3 years of living here with the beehives right by the house she hasn't been stung a single time. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:23:27 AM
I put them far enough from the house they are not an issue.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:14:30 PM
Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs:
Originally Posted By C-4:
Good luck. My wife has a phobia of any stinging insect so it's a no go for me. Maybe when the kids are older because that's a concern for her as well. I have a friend who keeps bees so it would actually be easy to start the hobby. Do you have a place other than your yard you could keep them? Could you keep a hive or two at your friend's apiary? Yes, he actually has offered to let me keep them there. I've been kind of busy this summer with my aquaponics system + garden (small) + chickens (never kept before this spring) so I'll ask him if the offer is still open, maybe next year. I would really prefer them here on my property just for the convenience. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 7:47:05 PM
In my case, my wife wanted to keep bees and I wasn;t all that keen on the idea. However, she signed up for a beekeeping class and attended some meetings with our local organization. We found that most of the summer time outings here took place at people's homes and the prg's staff worked their hives with the crowd teaching differnet subjects (brood buildup/pollen, queen cells, misc diseases, honey collections, etc...). By going to the meetings and watching people (from a distance at first), my concerns were unjustified. We now have 3-5 hives in any one year (rural residential).
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:17:35 PM
Originally Posted By ACfarmer:
In my case, my wife wanted to keep bees and I wasn;t all that keen on the idea. However, she signed up for a beekeeping class and attended some meetings with our local organization. We found that most of the summer time outings here took place at people's homes and the prg's staff worked their hives with the crowd teaching differnet subjects (brood buildup/pollen, queen cells, misc diseases, honey collections, etc...). By going to the meetings and watching people (from a distance at first), my concerns were unjustified. We now have 3-5 hives in any one year (rural residential). What were your initial objections? |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:21:24 PM
Had a very positive meeting with city council last night regarding bees. At the request of many it was tabled until we could look at a few issues. Tried to discuss it with my wife again last night and we're down to "just because" as the only reason.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:29:26 PM
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Had a very positive meeting with city council last night regarding bees. At the request of many it was tabled until we could look at a few issues. Tried to discuss it with my wife again last night and we're down to "just because" as the only reason. ![]() If you accept that, then it is your choice to just give up. "Just because" is a reason (and not a good one even then) that we use with children when we are too lazy to explain why they should not run into the street. This is not something you say to your spouse, and you do not have to accept it. It's not appropriate. I don't mean to tell you how to manage your relationship. But would she let you get away with that if she wanted to buy something expensive and you said no? So I will now shut up about this. |
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