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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:42:02 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT ford 9n ford jubilee or massey TO-30 Just gonna be using for bush hog and plow. |
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dontreadonme
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:49:24 PM
I've got a 1967 MF 165 with a Perkins diesel that just keeps on going, so my vote would be with the Massey.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 3:34:18 PM
Jubilees have more power and two speed transfer case. Eight gears not four. I've had all the Fords but I'll take a Deere
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Posted: 6/17/2012 4:59:38 PM
[Last Edit: 6/17/2012 4:59:52 PM by Slacker]
Pick the heaviest one with the Independant PTO. Overrun clutches suck.
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ridinshotgun
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Posted: 6/17/2012 11:15:52 PM
The Jubilee is the most advanced of the four so I would go with that if you can come into one at a good price.
I have an 8n and love it for the amount of work it gets around here with the garden and fields that get cut. They are also easy to work on get parts for. Whichever you get make sure you put an OCR on it if you use any PTO powered ground equipment like a bush hog or finish mower. |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 8:03:55 AM
[Last Edit: 6/18/2012 8:07:42 AM by Baldmonk]
Originally Posted By southernrebel:
ford 8n ford 9n ford jubilee or massey TO-30 Just gonna be using for bush hog and plow. The N tractors and TO-30 have Babbit Bearings that require pouring molten lead and rescraping to rebuild (Good luck finding someone that can do that anymore). They are also flat head engines. The Jubilee has a far better engine. Personally I would look for a Ford 640 or 840 with a Perkins diesel, better yet a Ford Dexta (has live PTO) if you like tractors of that timeframe. |
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southernrebel
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Posted: 6/18/2012 10:42:58 AM
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From everything I have read the to30 is not a flathead .
It has a Z-129 continental OHV engine rated at 30hp. |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 12:47:33 PM
Originally Posted By williewvr:
Jubilees have more power and two speed transfer case. Eight gears not four. 
4 speed UNLESS it had a Sherman. Forget the Ns if you want to do much at all with it. 640 is way more tractor than the Ns, but 800 series is better yet, either gas or diesel. ANY of them were WAY better than looking at the ass end of a horse or mule. |
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TheRedGoat
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Posted: 6/18/2012 4:42:51 PM
Originally Posted By Dave15:
Originally Posted By williewvr:
Jubilees have more power and two speed transfer case. Eight gears not four.
4 speed UNLESS it had a Sherman. Forget the Ns if you want to do much at all with it. 640 is way more tractor than the Ns, but 800 series is better yet, either gas or diesel. ANY of them were WAY better than looking at the ass end of a horse or mule. Exactly what I was going to post. There are tractors in the same 'size' range that have three times the HP and are better suited to working a garden. All of the tractors you posted would be out-mowed by a Wal-mart riding mower. I think that they are also single-bottom plows, only. (I could Google, but I'm close) You'll be disappointed with those listed. TRG |
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ridinshotgun
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Posted: 6/18/2012 4:57:23 PM
No the 8n at least is a two bottom and pulls a two bottom just fine.
And I want to see your walmart mower do a six foot swath like a woods RM59 mower that mounts behind a N series. Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By Dave15:
Originally Posted By williewvr:
Jubilees have more power and two speed transfer case. Eight gears not four.
4 speed UNLESS it had a Sherman. Forget the Ns if you want to do much at all with it. 640 is way more tractor than the Ns, but 800 series is better yet, either gas or diesel. ANY of them were WAY better than looking at the ass end of a horse or mule. Exactly what I was going to post. There are tractors in the same 'size' range that have three times the HP and are better suited to working a garden. All of the tractors you posted would be out-mowed by a Wal-mart riding mower. I think that they are also single-bottom plows, only. (I could Google, but I'm close) You'll be disappointed with those listed. TRG |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 5:07:24 PM
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Originally Posted By ridinshotgun:
No the 8n at least is a two bottom and pulls a two bottom just fine. And I want to see your walmart mower do a six foot swath like a woods RM59 mower that mounts behind a N series. 8N, when new was 20hp at the drawbar, it was rated as a two bottom plow. (google). Assuming it is still in good condition it would pull a two in the right soil. If it is not in good running condition, then it would be the functional equivalent of a 15-17 hp tractor which puts you on the cusp of a single-bottom (like an H). I'll conceded that it is rated for a two bottom though, for the purpose of your point. 
That is what you want to compare to a Wal-mart riding mower? http://www.ytmag.com/fordnclub/specs.htm I once thought the N series were handy tractors. They are relatively cheap and common. There are dozens of better choices available to the OP in that size and price range. They are the equivalent of the wheelgun in a 'which gun is best' debate. They will do a few things acceptably, but nothing great. Cool video of an 8N plowing with a two-bottom. According to the poster, it is in second gear at full throttle. TRG |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 5:21:41 PM
Found this while browsing tractor vids.
Interesting stuff. TRG |
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ridinshotgun
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Posted: 6/18/2012 5:40:33 PM
No the early 8n was rated at 23 HP and later at 26HP.
And why not compare that mower? You said any walmart mower can do better. So you're saying a 60in finish mower gets beat by a walmart mower that will fall apart in a year or two and maybe has a 48in deck? The OP didn't ask what is a better tractor than what he listed, he asked which of the ones he listed is better, and the answer is the Jubilee it was rates at 31 HP had a better engine and better transmission. Around me they usually go for around $3500. It is a given fact there are better tractors than the N series but they can do a lot of things at a 10th of the cost of a newer tractor without a payment. I don't see anything in his price range that is better in this area for less than $3500 and it is usually with equipment. Now what would be a step up that he can pick up at that cost with a piece or two of equipment? |
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ridinshotgun
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Posted: 6/18/2012 5:47:27 PM
Geez why doesn't he just bury that plow? It isn't supposed to plow but a 6 inch furrow. But it is still pulling that bitch set way deep!
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TheRedGoat
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Posted: 6/18/2012 5:57:42 PM
Originally Posted By ridinshotgun:
No the early 8n was rated at 23 HP and later at 26HP. And why not compare that mower? You said any walmart mower can do better. So you're saying a 60in finish mower gets beat by a walmart mower that will fall apart in a year or two and maybe has a 48in deck? The OP didn't ask what is a better tractor than what he listed, he asked which of the ones he listed is better, and the answer is the Jubilee it was rates at 31 HP had a better engine and better transmission. Around me they usually go for around $3500. It is a given fact there are better tractors than the N series but they can do a lot of things at a 10th of the cost of a newer tractor without a payment. I don't see anything in his price range that is better in this area for less than $3500 and it is usually with equipment. Now what would be a step up that he can pick up at that cost with a piece or two of equipment? I purchased a 1955 Super Oliver 55, with a 5' brushhog for 1700.00 a couple months ago. New tires. Oliver Super 55 Power: Drawbar (claimed):23.3 hp [17.4 kW] PTO (claimed):32.65 hp [24.3 kW] Drawbar (tested):29.60 hp [22.1 kW] Belt (tested):34.39 hp [25.6 kW] I bought a 1964 Ford 5000 @ $2000.00 three weeks ago. Fuel:diesel Aspiration:natural Cylinders:4 Bore/Stroke:3.937x4.524 inches [100 x 115 mm] Displacement:220 ci [3.6 L] Power:69 hp [51.5 kW] I believe that is a typo on the webpage, it is supposed to be only 52-54hp. TRG |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 6:11:01 PM
Triple those prices here in the Mid-atlantic. Iron isn't cheap like it is in other places. If I wanted to I could go to KY to pick up and Allis D15 for $2000. But then I have to take time off work drive 8 hours and pay for fuel to get it over the mountains and back here. It is a wash. I wished I lived back there.....my stable would be much fuller.
A friend here in VA just bought an Allis D15 gas for $4200 with no equipment and needing new tires. And that is the average price around here.  |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 6:20:28 PM
Originally Posted By ridinshotgun:
Triple those prices here in the Mid-atlantic. Iron isn't cheap like it is in other places. If I wanted to I could go to KY to pick up and Allis D15 for $2000. But then I have to take time off work drive 8 hours and pay for fuel to get it over the mountains and back here. It is a wash. I wished I lived back there.....my stable would be much fuller. A friend here in VA just bought an Allis D15 gas for $4200 with no equipment and needing new tires. And that is the average price around here. Mine were both below market value. It runs roughly 100.00 per horse around here too. Craigslist, patience, cash, ability to haul. TRG |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 8:34:49 PM
What kind of money are you wanting to spend?
I have a 80s era JD 755 4x4 hst power steering that will handle a 4' tiller all day long for $3500 in Nashville |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 8:46:41 PM
[Last Edit: 6/18/2012 8:56:49 PM by Baldmonk]
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By Dave15:
Originally Posted By williewvr:
Jubilees have more power and two speed transfer case. Eight gears not four.
4 speed UNLESS it had a Sherman. Forget the Ns if you want to do much at all with it. 640 is way more tractor than the Ns, but 800 series is better yet, either gas or diesel. ANY of them were WAY better than looking at the ass end of a horse or mule. Exactly what I was going to post. There are tractors in the same 'size' range that have three times the HP and are better suited to working a garden. All of the tractors you posted would be out-mowed by a Wal-mart riding mower. I think that they are also single-bottom plows, only. (I could Google, but I'm close) You'll be disappointed with those listed. TRG N series tractors pulled two 14" ferguson plows. I have a N series plow left over from a war time manufactured 9N that came with the tractor when my Grandfather bought it from the dealership. Even when the compression was low it could pull it no problem. N's were 20 hp at the bar and that is equivalent to a modern 37 hp tractor (rated at the flywheel). They were equivalent to a Farmall H in pulling power with a slight edge to the N series. Like most tractors of this time they don't have live PTO, which I consider a must for a SAFE tractor. |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 8:58:51 PM
[Last Edit: 6/18/2012 9:00:52 PM by Baldmonk]
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By ridinshotgun:
No the early 8n was rated at 23 HP and later at 26HP. And why not compare that mower? You said any walmart mower can do better. So you're saying a 60in finish mower gets beat by a walmart mower that will fall apart in a year or two and maybe has a 48in deck? The OP didn't ask what is a better tractor than what he listed, he asked which of the ones he listed is better, and the answer is the Jubilee it was rates at 31 HP had a better engine and better transmission. Around me they usually go for around $3500. It is a given fact there are better tractors than the N series but they can do a lot of things at a 10th of the cost of a newer tractor without a payment. I don't see anything in his price range that is better in this area for less than $3500 and it is usually with equipment. Now what would be a step up that he can pick up at that cost with a piece or two of equipment? I purchased a 1955 Super Oliver 55, with a 5' brushhog for 1700.00 a couple months ago. New tires. Oliver Super 55 Power: Drawbar (claimed):23.3 hp [17.4 kW] PTO (claimed):32.65 hp [24.3 kW] Drawbar (tested):29.60 hp [22.1 kW] Belt (tested):34.39 hp [25.6 kW] I bought a 1964 Ford 5000 @ $2000.00 three weeks ago. Fuel:diesel Aspiration:natural Cylinders:4 Bore/Stroke:3.937x4.524 inches [100 x 115 mm] Displacement:220 ci [3.6 L] Power:69 hp [51.5 kW] I believe that is a typo on the webpage, it is supposed to be only 52-54hp. TRG That was at the flywheel. By the time the 5000 came around companys quit measuring at the drawbar. The drawbar HP was around 35-38 hp. |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 9:07:41 PM
Originally Posted By Baldmonk:
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By Dave15:
Originally Posted By williewvr:
Jubilees have more power and two speed transfer case. Eight gears not four.
4 speed UNLESS it had a Sherman. Forget the Ns if you want to do much at all with it. 640 is way more tractor than the Ns, but 800 series is better yet, either gas or diesel. ANY of them were WAY better than looking at the ass end of a horse or mule. Exactly what I was going to post. There are tractors in the same 'size' range that have three times the HP and are better suited to working a garden. All of the tractors you posted would be out-mowed by a Wal-mart riding mower. I think that they are also single-bottom plows, only. (I could Google, but I'm close) You'll be disappointed with those listed. TRG N series tractors pulled two 14" ferguson plows. I have a N series plow left over from a war time manufactured 9N. Even when the compression was low it could pull it no problem. N's were 20 hp at the bar and that is equivalent to a modern 37 hp tractor (rated at the flywheel) I stand corrected. The N series are powerful beasts well suited for all manner of modern farming. TRG |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 2:30:59 PM
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 2:32:07 PM by Baldmonk]
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By Baldmonk:
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By Dave15:
Originally Posted By williewvr:
Jubilees have more power and two speed transfer case. Eight gears not four.
4 speed UNLESS it had a Sherman. Forget the Ns if you want to do much at all with it. 640 is way more tractor than the Ns, but 800 series is better yet, either gas or diesel. ANY of them were WAY better than looking at the ass end of a horse or mule. Exactly what I was going to post. There are tractors in the same 'size' range that have three times the HP and are better suited to working a garden. All of the tractors you posted would be out-mowed by a Wal-mart riding mower. I think that they are also single-bottom plows, only. (I could Google, but I'm close) You'll be disappointed with those listed. TRG N series tractors pulled two 14" ferguson plows. I have a N series plow left over from a war time manufactured 9N. Even when the compression was low it could pull it no problem. N's were 20 hp at the bar and that is equivalent to a modern 37 hp tractor (rated at the flywheel) I stand corrected. The N series are powerful beasts well suited for all manner of modern farming. TRG I would not call them that, but they performed the job for which they designed very well. So well that the 3 point system became standard which all other tractors now use even though it sucked in comparison to the IH "Fast Hitch" and other propritary hitching techniques. If it wasn't for the Poured Lead Babbit main bearings, no live PTO (you have to install a overruning clutch to be safe with them), and the lack of a truly creeping 1st gear for a Rotovator I would consider them still a viable small farm tractor. But, those things kill it for me. |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 3:23:19 PM
The TO-30 isn't a Massey, it is a Ferguson.
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Posted: 6/19/2012 11:50:42 PM
I've only used a Ford 3000 and a Ford 430 with front loader.
I like the 430, with the loader. Way more things you can do with it |
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southernrebel
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:16:43 PM
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Usually when i post here for opinions i go with what the folks here say but this time i had to follow my heart.
I got the following for 2,600 deliverd 100 miles from my house. 
So thats a 1954 massey TO-30 a trailer a box scrape john deere bush hog |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:20:46 PM
Tag, as I'm getting ready to purchase a budget tractor with loader for a smaller farmette. Mostly for plowing snow, but some light farm work/landscaping/etc.
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