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Posted: 1/30/2012 11:40:36 AM
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I'm curious if there are any laws/regulations regarding pumping from a creek. 
NP in Texas. Other states regulate it. TRG |
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Posted: 1/30/2012 11:42:08 AM
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Originally Posted By larledge:
Werent you irrigating some from a creek last year with some sort of small PTO driven pump? Reason for asking is I have an old abandoned shallow water well near me in the woods that is fed from a underground spring. I am trying to figure out what pump I need to get the water to my garden area. I have a small kubota tractor that I could use or a generator to run a electric type system. I wll have to push the water up a slight grade about 200 yards. How far were you moving that water? If I have you mixed up with someone else I apologize. la That was me. It also resulted in me seizing the PTO and doing 1500 in gear damage. If it is well, find out the depth that you are planning to draw from, install a pipe, a footvalve and an electric pump. The PTO pump is not very good at drawing water up. Mine would only lift at 1000 RPM. TRG How high was it lifting? Why did it seize? My creek (larger than yours) is 200 yards and probably 15 feet lower than my garden area. Lifted about 6-7' from the creekbed, then pushed it another 20-30' in elevation 150yds away to the garden. I think it was pumping about 9GPM. It did allow me to keep my garden alive during the record drought though. Financially, spending a thousand on commercial canned goods would have been more cost-effective in hindsight. It seized because I did not have enough transmission fluid. It was on an incline (so I could get closer to the creek). Worked fine when the pump was new, but,as the pump aged, the clearances made it harder and harder to initially draw water. I plan to build a retaining wall/dam this spring to hold more water. I could pump my creek dry in about an hour at full pressure. TRG Based on that, I could easily water from this with a good PTO pump: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p8vcmMMSiE4/TZnih4Qlw6I/AAAAAAAAHY8/E4KS8z360UI/s720/IMG_5703.JPG Should be no problem. TRG |
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Posted: 1/30/2012 4:13:52 PM
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
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Originally Posted By larledge:
Werent you irrigating some from a creek last year with some sort of small PTO driven pump? Reason for asking is I have an old abandoned shallow water well near me in the woods that is fed from a underground spring. I am trying to figure out what pump I need to get the water to my garden area. I have a small kubota tractor that I could use or a generator to run a electric type system. I wll have to push the water up a slight grade about 200 yards. How far were you moving that water? If I have you mixed up with someone else I apologize. la That was me. It also resulted in me seizing the PTO and doing 1500 in gear damage. If it is well, find out the depth that you are planning to draw from, install a pipe, a footvalve and an electric pump. The PTO pump is not very good at drawing water up. Mine would only lift at 1000 RPM. TRG How high was it lifting? Why did it seize? My creek (larger than yours) is 200 yards and probably 15 feet lower than my garden area. The closer you get the tractor/pump to the source of the water the easier it will be to pump it and the less trouble you will have with keeping it primed. |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 7:06:10 AM
I think I am gonna lean to a small electric pump\tank setup with a pressure switch. Run it off a 5 kw genny. This way I can use soaker type hoses in the garden. The old well is only 10ft deep,constructed out of 36" cement culverts. I was concerned how fast it would refill after pumping,so when I pumped it out with my trash pump it refilled overnight.
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Posted: 1/31/2012 11:07:05 AM
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Originally Posted By larledge:
I think I am gonna lean to a small electric pump\tank setup with a pressure switch. Run it off a 5 kw genny. This way I can use soaker type hoses in the garden. The old well is only 10ft deep,constructed out of 36" cement culverts. I was concerned how fast it would refill after pumping,so when I pumped it out with my trash pump it refilled overnight. Trg, Were you just using water hose to get to your garden? Yes. If I find a good deal on 2" or larger lines it would help with both my initial priming issue and reduce system pressure while increasing volume. I pumped up a standard hose to a 5 position brass switch. This caused other pressure issues. Ideally, I would pump 9 gallons per minute through my system. If I had removed some of the restriction issues (larger hoses, 1" couplings instead of 1/4") could have pumped quite a bit more water. http://www.tractorsupply.com/hypro-reg-6-roller-cast-iron-sprayer-pump-with-torque-arm-2112023 The pump can do about 20 GPM. I was losing a lot of efficiency to back pressure. I plan to build an experimental dam this spring to hold more water in reserve and will look at ways to make mine even more efficient if the drought continues. TRG |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 1:07:18 PM
It has been my experience that most dams (beaver dams are the exception) on small streams are prone to washout during rain events. I have seen with some success that digging a large watering hole in the creek to be more successful. The downside to that is, it will sooner or later be filled in with debris and have to be cleaned out again. YMMV
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Posted: 1/31/2012 2:09:29 PM
Originally Posted By mittffoo:
It has been my experience that most dams (beaver dams are the exception) on small streams are prone to washout during rain events. I have seen with some success that digging a large watering hole in the creek to be more successful. The downside to that is, it will sooner or later be filled in with debris and have to be cleaned out again. YMMV Same experience I have had. This is why I have never dammed my creek before with anything other than a few homemade sandbags (husky bags full of sand). My creek will go outside of its bank every year or two. Anything in the bed will wash out, or get rammed by debris. I will probably build a 1-2' tall dam this year so I can pump for more than an hour, but I know I will lose it in flood. TRG |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 2:20:07 PM
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: Originally Posted By mittffoo: It has been my experience that most dams (beaver dams are the exception) on small streams are prone to washout during rain events. I have seen with some success that digging a large watering hole in the creek to be more successful. The downside to that is, it will sooner or later be filled in with debris and have to be cleaned out again. YMMV Same experience I have had. This is why I have never dammed my creek before with anything other than a few homemade sandbags (husky bags full of sand). My creek will go outside of its bank every year or two. Anything in the bed will wash out, or get rammed by debris. I will probably build a 1-2' tall dam this year so I can pump for more than an hour, but I know I will lose it in flood. TRG eco blocks Won't lose them. I promise.  |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 2:36:08 PM
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ETA: The heavy rain has to be a PITA. It's gotta suck when your work gets destroyed by a weather front. |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 2:47:48 PM
floodwater, rain, erosion
a garden is on my list of things to do. i've got the land, i've got the tractor, it's just that thus far i haven't had the knowledge or desire |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 2:52:09 PM
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By mittffoo:
It has been my experience that most dams (beaver dams are the exception) on small streams are prone to washout during rain events. I have seen with some success that digging a large watering hole in the creek to be more successful. The downside to that is, it will sooner or later be filled in with debris and have to be cleaned out again. YMMV Same experience I have had. This is why I have never dammed my creek before with anything other than a few homemade sandbags (husky bags full of sand). My creek will go outside of its bank every year or two. Anything in the bed will wash out, or get rammed by debris. I will probably build a 1-2' tall dam this year so I can pump for more than an hour, but I know I will lose it in flood. TRG eco blocks Won't lose them. I promise.
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Posted: 1/31/2012 2:59:52 PM
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: True, and you'll be doing it again within a year probably.Garbage bags are almost free. TRG Eco blocks aren't expensive, I think I priced them out locally for $40 each, and you could build a reasonable damn in a day, that would outlast you. |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 3:18:18 PM
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True, and you'll be doing it again within a year probably.
Garbage bags are almost free. TRG Eco blocks aren't expensive, I think I priced them out locally for $40 each, and you could build a reasonable damn in a day, that would outlast you. Link? TRG |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 3:27:29 PM
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: Originally Posted By bcauz3y: Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: True, and you'll be doing it again within a year probably.Garbage bags are almost free. TRG Eco blocks aren't expensive, I think I priced them out locally for $40 each, and you could build a reasonable damn in a day, that would outlast you. Link? TRG They look like this:  They are made from leftover concrete mixes. You'll have to literally drive around your local industrial area and look for a materials company to buy them from. I had to go door to door asking before I found them. |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 5:24:25 PM
Originally Posted By TexRdnec: floodwater, rain, erosion a garden is on my list of things to do. i've got the land, i've got the tractor, it's just that thus far i haven't had the knowledge or desire Just waitin on the locusts... |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 5:27:04 PM
Originally Posted By bigsapper:
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floodwater, rain, erosion
a garden is on my list of things to do. i've got the land, i've got the tractor, it's just that thus far i haven't had the knowledge or desire Just waitin on the locusts... Shut.Your.Whore.Mouth. Had only a few problems last year with grasshoppers. In some years, they are almost Biblical. TRG |
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Posted: 2/1/2012 4:19:11 AM
Grasshoppers lay their eggs in bare soil, so wait till this year.
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Posted: 2/1/2012 10:10:27 AM
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Grasshoppers lay their eggs in bare soil, so wait till this year. Saw them laying them on T-posts last Fall. TRG |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 2:37:38 PM
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Originally Posted By GMG:
Grasshoppers lay their eggs in bare soil, so wait till this year. Saw them laying them on T-posts last Fall. TRG How do you know it wasn't just taking a dump? |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 2:48:10 PM
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Grasshoppers lay their eggs in bare soil, so wait till this year. Saw them laying them on T-posts last Fall. TRG How do you know it wasn't just taking a dump? The look on its face. TRG |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:09:06 PM
Three rows, 90' ea of mixed red and white potatoes.
A volunteer mustard plant from last summer? 
The rows were dug with the bedding plow. I seasoned the bottom of the beds with 10-20-10 and cotton seed meal. I had 10lbs of red and 10lbs of white potatoes. I let them rest and develop eyes by sitting them in a plastic bin and covering them with a damp towel. The bedding plow, as shown, was adjusted to cut a 3-4" deep bed. In some places it was deeper. The moist ground should settle pretty soon, and rain is forecast for Sunday. TRG |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:10:10 PM
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:11:17 PM
The onions have been in the soil for 2-3 weeks, so I top dressed them with 10-20-10. You can see it in the pic of the mustard plant.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:14:56 PM
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Well, we'll see if this works or not. Never raised a successful crop of taters before, and as always, I went all in with the rows. Honestly, I have no ida how much crop to even expect from what I planted. The far right row (closest to the tractor) is part of the 'new' garden that I added to square the plot this year. Still no arrowheads found. My neighbor keeps telling that we have alot of them in our area, but, I have been stumped on finding any. And on a related note, we are repainting the interior of our house this winter. Not a garden related pic, but, posted for the curious. 
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:16:15 PM
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: Originally Posted By bcauz3y: Well, we'll see if this works or not. Never raised a successful crop of taters before, and as always, I went all in with the rows. Honestly, I have no ida how much crop to even expect from what I planted. The far right row (closest to the tractor) is part of the 'new' garden that I added to square the plot this year. Still no arrowheads found. My neighbor keeps telling that we have alot of them in our area, but, I have been stumped on finding any. TRG I've heard the same about my fields, but I haven't turned them over yet. Question. How many potatoes does a single potato produce? |
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