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Posted: 7/16/2011 12:14:15 AM
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There was a thread in GD that had a link to a video that also had fish inside a greenhouse and using the waste-water to 'feed' plants.

This is the video.

I have a friend that has a large plastic container he doesn't need anymore and I've been toying with the idea of raising fish in it. Has anyone here done anything like this? Before someone asks, I don't know the exact dimensions of the container but I'm going to see it again tomorrow and measure it.

This is a link to industrial scale indoor Tilapia aquaculture: http://www.blueridgeaquaculture.com/tilapia.cfm

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Don't worry about posting other related info in this thread. I've found all the posts useful.

I picked up 4 blue channel catfish (about 4-5" long) at the pet store the other day. They were very expensive ($6 each) but I wanted to try them out. They're in the 500 gallon container and I think I'll just do periodic water exchanges for now. Over the winter I'll get the hydroponics portion of the aquaponics together. They seem to like it in there. So far I'm feeding them worms and flaked fish food that float to the bottom. We'll see how it goes.
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Posted: 7/16/2011 1:05:36 AM
Tilapia are extremely sensitive to cold. Expect to raise them in a climate controlled environment if you plan on rearing them in NH. Trout are a cold water fish and as such will probably be better suited to your climate. They take well to both aquaponics and recirculating aquaculture. They do require clean, well oxygenated water. Whatever the species, you need some form of biological filter, and if you don't use aquaponics to remove the disolved nutrients, you will have to change the water periodically. Visit The Backyard Aquaponics Forum for more reading.
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Posted: 7/16/2011 7:33:21 AM
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Tilapia are extremely sensitive to cold. Expect to raise them in a climate controlled environment if you plan on rearing them in NH. Trout are a cold water fish and as such will probably be better suited to your climate. They take well to both aquaponics and recirculating aquaculture. They do require clean, well oxygenated water. Whatever the species, you need some form of biological filter, and if you don't use aquaponics to remove the disolved nutrients, you will have to change the water periodically. Visit The Backyard Aquaponics Forum for more reading.


Thank you! I'll check out that other forum.
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Posted: 7/16/2011 7:31:16 PM
Down here, we're required to have a $25000 CD that the DWF will have access to in the event that one of our fish gets out to fund a fish kill/clean up. It requires a license, inspections, 2 barriers to keep them from escaping into local waterways, and even meeting all of the requirements you still have to get the okay from a local inspector. I'm sticking to perch and catfish.
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Posted: 7/16/2011 9:12:25 PM
Originally Posted By Paulup:
Down here, we're required to have a $25000 CD that the DWF will have access to in the event that one of our fish gets out to fund a fish kill/clean up. It requires a license, inspections, 2 barriers to keep them from escaping into local waterways, and even meeting all of the requirements you still have to get the okay from a local inspector. I'm sticking to perch and catfish.


I'm thinking more about catfish as well just from some of the reading I've done. I wouldn't have to worry about the colder weather.

Ironically, I have a trout stream in my back yard. It's small but there are quite a bit of native brook trout in it. I fish them for fun only (catch and release). I use them as a 'canary in the coal mine' to make sure the water quality is good in case I need to use it in SHTF. It would be very difficult to raise trout because they have the opposite problem to the Tilapia ie. they need very cool/cold water.

BTW, what kind of perch? What do you feed them?
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Posted: 7/17/2011 10:44:09 AM
Hybrid bluegill from dunn's fish farm. I stock fathead minnows, toss in whatever floating commercial food the local feed store has in stock, and we throw breads and what not when it goes stale.

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Hybrid bluegill from dunn's fish farm. I stock fathead minnows, toss in whatever floating commercial food the local feed store has in stock, and we throw breads and what not when it goes stale.

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Bluegill would be an option from the temperature standpoint. I'll take a look.
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http://www.pondboss.com Click Ask the Boss/Forum link. Read until your eyeballs pop out. :)

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Here's a video for ya



It's from the http://backyardaquaponics.com site.
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There is also a small system called barrelponics from a group called F.A.S.T. http://www.fastonline.org/content/view/15/29/
it uses 3 each 55 gal plastic drums and is small enough to fit in most basements. it doesn't grow many fish but is a good starting point
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Posted: 7/22/2011 6:33:13 PM

Thanks guys for the additional links. I posted a thread in General Discussion looking for a way to seal a 500 gallon brine tank that had 28 holes in the bottom. I just got some rubber stoppers in today and will fill the tank tonight, assuming the stoppers fit the holes OK:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1208224_Need_help_from_engineers_and_hole_plugging_experts______.html
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:34:23 PM
Originally Posted By Paulup:
Down here, we're required to have a $25000 CD that the DWF will have access to in the event that one of our fish gets out to fund a fish kill/clean up. It requires a license, inspections, 2 barriers to keep them from escaping into local waterways, and even meeting all of the requirements you still have to get the okay from a local inspector. I'm sticking to perch and catfish.


raising them in plastic containers on the ground should prevent any escapes.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:24:14 PM
Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:
Here's a video for ya

http://youtu.be/WYFM7J_TpTU

It's from the http://backyardaquaponics.com site.
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There is also a small system called barrelponics from a group called F.A.S.T. http://www.fastonline.org/content/view/15/29/
it uses 3 each 55 gal plastic drums and is small enough to fit in most basements. it doesn't grow many fish but is a good starting point


That's very interesting, I would love to have a couple of those, one with perch and one with cat fish.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 6:26:54 PM
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Originally Posted By HaroldManback:
Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:
Here's a video for ya

http://youtu.be/WYFM7J_TpTU

It's from the http://backyardaquaponics.com site.
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There is also a small system called barrelponics from a group called F.A.S.T. http://www.fastonline.org/content/view/15/29/
it uses 3 each 55 gal plastic drums and is small enough to fit in most basements. it doesn't grow many fish but is a good starting point


That's very interesting, I would love to have a couple of those, one with perch and one with cat fish.



I plan on setting up a system that has the grow beds from the IBC system, a little square foot gardening and the filtration system from this video. I figure with all that I should be more than able to produce at least 75% for the food for my family of three.


EDT: OK maybe more like 50%
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Posted: 7/24/2011 2:50:50 PM
Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:

Originally Posted By HaroldManback:
Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:
Here's a video for ya

http://youtu.be/WYFM7J_TpTU

It's from the http://backyardaquaponics.com site.
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There is also a small system called barrelponics from a group called F.A.S.T. http://www.fastonline.org/content/view/15/29/
it uses 3 each 55 gal plastic drums and is small enough to fit in most basements. it doesn't grow many fish but is a good starting point


That's very interesting, I would love to have a couple of those, one with perch and one with cat fish.

http://youtu.be/CfR9nDsvBk8

I plan on setting up a system that has the grow beds from the IBC system, a little square foot gardening and the filtration system from this video. I figure with all that I should be more than able to produce at least 75% for the food for my family of three.


EDT: OK maybe more like 50%


I like the guys set up with the growing media inside removable containers better then the set up in the first video. If you ever had to modify, clean or make some kind of repair you could easily set the plants out.

Starting out might be kind of a learning curve, the fish would be small and probably produce little nitrogen for the plants. I was thinking that you would have to start with just a few plants and keep adding plants as the fish grew and produced more nutrients for the plants. Might be a bit of a balancing act getting the timing of fish and plant growth to match.
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Originally Posted By HaroldManback:
Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:

Originally Posted By HaroldManback:
Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:
Here's a video for ya

http://youtu.be/WYFM7J_TpTU

It's from the http://backyardaquaponics.com site.
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There is also a small system called barrelponics from a group called F.A.S.T. http://www.fastonline.org/content/view/15/29/
it uses 3 each 55 gal plastic drums and is small enough to fit in most basements. it doesn't grow many fish but is a good starting point


That's very interesting, I would love to have a couple of those, one with perch and one with cat fish.

http://youtu.be/CfR9nDsvBk8

I plan on setting up a system that has the grow beds from the IBC system, a little square foot gardening and the filtration system from this video. I figure with all that I should be more than able to produce at least 75% for the food for my family of three.


EDT: OK maybe more like 50%


I like the guys set up with the growing media inside removable containers better then the set up in the first video. If you ever had to modify, clean or make some kind of repair you could easily set the plants out.

Starting out might be kind of a learning curve, the fish would be small and probably produce little nitrogen for the plants. I was thinking that you would have to start with just a few plants and keep adding plants as the fish grew and produced more nutrients for the plants. Might be a bit of a balancing act getting the timing of fish and plant growth to match.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_19/648651_.html&page=1#bottom

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Posted: 7/30/2011 4:23:31 PM
Originally Posted By HaroldManback:
Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:

Originally Posted By HaroldManback:
Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:
Here's a video for ya

http://youtu.be/WYFM7J_TpTU

It's from the http://backyardaquaponics.com site.
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There is also a small system called barrelponics from a group called F.A.S.T. http://www.fastonline.org/content/view/15/29/
it uses 3 each 55 gal plastic drums and is small enough to fit in most basements. it doesn't grow many fish but is a good starting point


That's very interesting, I would love to have a couple of those, one with perch and one with cat fish.

http://youtu.be/CfR9nDsvBk8

I plan on setting up a system that has the grow beds from the IBC system, a little square foot gardening and the filtration system from this video. I figure with all that I should be more than able to produce at least 75% for the food for my family of three.


EDT: OK maybe more like 50%


I like the guys set up with the growing media inside removable containers better then the set up in the first video. If you ever had to modify, clean or make some kind of repair you could easily set the plants out.

Starting out might be kind of a learning curve, the fish would be small and probably produce little nitrogen for the plants. I was thinking that you would have to start with just a few plants and keep adding plants as the fish grew and produced more nutrients for the plants. Might be a bit of a balancing act getting the timing of fish and plant growth to match.


It usually takes about six weeks to cycle a system, longer if the weather is cool. You can also used aged urine to give a little ammonia boost, or even to cycle the system fishless if you are worried about killing your fish.
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Update:

Don't worry about posting other related info in this thread. I've found all the posts useful.

I picked up 4 blue channel catfish (about 4-5" long) at the pet store the other day. They were very expensive ($6 each) but I wanted to try them out. They're in the 500 gallon container and I think I'll just do periodic water exchanges for now. Over the winter I'll get the hydroponics portion of the aquaponics together. They seem to like it in there. So far I'm feeding them worms and flaked fish food that float to the bottom. We'll see how it goes.
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Lets not archive this thread...

I am looking for an ibc container to try the above listed conversion.

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I tried my hand at fish farming several years ago. Read all I could on the subject. Built a (what I thought was) suitable set up with 175 gal tank and appropriate sized auxillary containers for gravel, etc.

Got some cheap comets to check the system. They lived fine for a couple weeks so I invested in the cat fish. Every day, I'd come home and there would be a few more, dead, floating, white, corpses in my tank. The chemical analysis of the water was fine. They wouldn't eat the food.

I'm not sure if the temp change from day to night affected them. Or it could have been that they were used to eating krill at the fish farm. Not sure what was wrong and I never figured it out.

I got down to 5 fish and I do know what killed them. A shovel to the head and a burial in the garden.

I shut the system down and drained the tank, pretty much. There was a couple inches of water left. By the time fall rolled around, I decided to clean up the rest of the mess. There was algae growing in the water, etc. As I went to tip the tank over, there...swimming around, healthy as could be, was the lone, surviving golden comet.

I scooped him out and gave him to my daughter for her gold fish bowl. She named him Lazerus because he seemed unkillable.

He died in about a week.

I would like to give fish farming another go. Does anyone have evidence that an outdoor tank would fluctuate in temperature bad enough to harm catfish?
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Just curious, but why catfish?

It seems like you could do just about any fish you wanted with the right homework.

I don't really know anything about fishfarming, so is there something about catfish that I don't know?

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Originally Posted By celticmarksman:
Just curious, but why catfish?



Catfish are hardy and available in most areas. Fish like Tilapia and trout are too season specific. It's a lot easier to raise catfish and bluegill year round, even if there growth rates slow down in the colder months to due a lack of appetite.
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Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Originally Posted By celticmarksman:
Just curious, but why catfish?



Catfish are hardy and available in most areas. Fish like Tilapia and trout are too season specific. It's a lot easier to raise catfish and bluegill year round, even if there growth rates slow down in the colder months to due a lack of appetite.

I see, so primarily the small operations are run outdoors? I thought the whole point was to have a completely controlled environment for the critters. From the looks of it, it doesn't look feasable to try an operation like that up here.


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You can do this indoors, a basement would be a great place, with the right lighting.
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Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
You can do this indoors, a basement would be a great place, with the right lighting.


Way to much power required.


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A strictly aquaculture setup could be efficiently done indoors. Some people do aquaponics indoors, but the grow lights needed to produce anything meaningful on the plant side would cost way too much in electricity for me.
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