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Posted: 4/29/2011 7:15:52 PM
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Former member, FUGGIT came over today to help me plan a new chicken coop. My original plan was to build a coop from scratch, near my vegetable garden, or possibly several chicken tractors.

But, I am a cheap SOB. I have leftover materials from old decks, fences, etc. I just didn't quite have enough materials laying around for a ground-up chicken coop. Seemed like I would be putting too much money in for too little return.

That is where FUGGIT came in to the picture. I showed him an old coop in my barn that the previous owner had built, and it was a hodge-podge of patches, rusty wire, and country engineering. It wouldn't keep a possum or coon out of the birds.

After talking it over, I scrapped my ideas of a new coop and re-designed my existing barn to be a coop with a run.

The barn is built with one fully enclosed room on the right. There is no power, but it is close enough to be wire in eventually. The barn was the home for a feral hog 'Pickles' last year, so water is just a matter of running a hose back out there.

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Bedding/nesting room:



This is the old nest box that I moved in here. The roof slopes too much and I don't want to hit my head getting eggs. It is in the middle of the room. Is that going to be ok?



If you are 3/4 of the way down and looking back toward the nesting room:



The wire will be reinforced with 2x6s at the base, sandwiching the wire so it can not be lifted by a larger nose.



Because of these reinforcing units, I ran the wire on the inside of the posts:



But I extended it all the way through the joists to the metal roof. You might see some bent over nails instead of staples. I have a case of nails. And I did not want to buy staples. They are spaced about every 8"



This is a close-up of where the chickens will enter the nesting area. I had a horse once. I think he did this, but he was a bit of a drunk.



This is where the previous Don Quixote of Chicken Farming had his entrance to his coop. It was just this one room. I am going to try and re-use the gate. Not sure, yet, how I am going to secure it against coons, but, I'll think of something.



Compare this to the above picture. this is just down and left of the image. This is what I was talking about with the dig-protection. It will be secured with wire and nails as well. This is the old wire from the previous coop. Rusty, and weak, but strong enough to stop a paw.



There are a few more places I need to work on to keep varmints out, get watering to be automatic, along with feed.

But, here's the best part. The wire was given to me by a buddy (Locksmith76) who lives nearby. Fuggit donated some materials (but haven't used them yet).

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This is the 'old' hog pen that I used when I had Pickles. I have not torn it down, yet, because I keep thinking that there might be a way to incorporate it in to the new pen?

Ideas on that? Or just pull it down?

Everything was simply leftovers, gimmes, or re-used.

No money spent (so far)

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Posted: 4/29/2011 7:40:07 PM
a piece of chain with a clip will keep out the coons just loop through gate and around a post. looks good though.
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Posted: 4/29/2011 7:43:17 PM
Originally Posted By snakeshooter1:
a piece of chain with a clip will keep out the coons just loop through gate and around a post. looks good though.


I meant the gap between the wire are the top of the gate and the gate itself. It is a fairly significant opening right now.

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Posted: 4/29/2011 7:57:54 PM
i used another piece of wire stretched across at top, mounted to the poles. I do have to duck to get in and out. Maybe extend the gate height by bolting some boards or metal poles to it then securing the wire to those.
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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:12:04 PM
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
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This is the old nest box that I moved in here. The roof slopes too much and I don't want to hit my head getting eggs. It is in the middle of the room. Is that going to be ok?

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This is the 'old' hog pen that I used when I had Pickles. I have not torn it down, yet, because I keep thinking that there might be a way to incorporate it in to the new pen?


It looks great!

You can put the nest box wherever....just have to train the chickens to use it. Put some golf balls or wooden eggs in so they know that you want them to lay in the boxes.

I'd fence in the former Pickle's pen and let that be their run. You can free range them if you choose or keep them in the run. Gives some flexibility particularly if you want to go away for a while and somebody else is watching the chickens for a few days.

You have a lot of nest boxes....how many birds are you planning on?



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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:15:22 PM
Looks good. I've been using leftover stuff from my barn clutter for my box stall coop. It's still a bit chilly up here, but they are 5 weeks old, and out growing the brooder. I'll be moving them to the big bird stall this weekend, and try to post up some pics. Keep us posted on your progress, looks like a good start. The funnest thing about doing this on the cheap, is using your McGyver skills.
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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:16:37 PM
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Cool; this gives me an idea for my own up-coming chicken coop. I have an enclosed storage building that I currently use for tool storage, but I wanted to get a shipping container anyway so I had something more secure and airtight for my expensive tools. It butts up against a fenced in area. In the back of the storage room I could cut a small chicken door leading into the fenced in area so the chickens have a run to scratch around in. It would probably be almost big enough for them to free range, especially if I put a compost pile in there for them to dig around in. Add some nest boxes and a roost or two and voila, instant chicken coop. The room is already wired with electricity and a light (to extend egg laying) and has a full height roof with walk in door so egg gathering would be easy. I don't really have a predator problem here (just coyotes out here and our four dogs keep them out of the yard), but the room would also be really secure (2x4 framing with metal siding). The best part is, what minimal modifications I need could be done for free (except for the few grand a shipping container would cost, but hey, I was going to do that anyway) with scrap material I have laying around.

Thanks for the idea TRG!
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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:22:39 PM
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
The best part is, what minimal modifications I need could be done for free (except for the few grand a shipping container would cost, but hey, I was going to do that anyway) with scrap material I have laying around.

Thanks for the idea TRG!


No problem. I had been mulling over a coop for a month or so.

Although I am tired from swinging a hammer over my head, it actually worked out pretty easy after all.

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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:25:15 PM
LOL, one of my sons has moved his broilers out into my hog house.
Which used to be someone else's pole shed, before I dismantled it.
Which was made out of used lumber.
And that was from the '80s, that I KNOW of.

I guess we're all cut of the same cloth: CHEAP!

Looks great!
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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:28:45 PM
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It looks great!

You can put the nest box wherever....just have to train the chickens to use it. Put some golf balls or wooden eggs in so they know that you want them to lay in the boxes.

I'd fence in the former Pickle's pen and let that be their run. You can free range them if you choose or keep them in the run. Gives some flexibility particularly if you want to go away for a while and somebody else is watching the chickens for a few days.

You have a lot of nest boxes....how many birds are you planning on?



No clue on how many birds. I don't even know what kind I should be looking to purchase.

As for free-range, no way. When I had chickens about 10-12 years ago, they made a beeline for the flowerbeds and porches.

I have a couple of ideas for automatic feeding and watering. That 1100 gallon water tank is too slow to hand water my melons, but... with a little hose and a slightly-open ball valve, it could water them for weeks.

As for feeding, I have a deer feeder unit sitting in my barn, a spare barrel, and could adjust it to feed them twice per day as well.

Nest boxes? FUGGIT said that I needed 2 boxes per 5? 10? birds?

I just took the whole thing off the wall and set it up. I did not make the boxes.

I want to spend no more than a bag of feed per month, in addition to kitchen scraps, lawn trimmings, and garden waste.

How many chickens is that?

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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:29:55 PM
Originally Posted By Dave15:
LOL, one of my sons has moved his broilers out into my hog house.
Which used to be someone else's pole shed, before I dismantled it.
Which was made out of used lumber.
And that was from the '80s, that I KNOW of.

I guess we're all cut of the same cloth: CHEAP!

Looks great!
FREE is ALWAYS the right price!


There is a word for people like us.

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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:35:10 PM
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By Dave15:
LOL, one of my sons has moved his broilers out into my hog house.
Which used to be someone else's pole shed, before I dismantled it.
Which was made out of used lumber.
And that was from the '80s, that I KNOW of.

I guess we're all cut of the same cloth: CHEAP!

Looks great!
FREE is ALWAYS the right price!


There is a word for people like us.

TRG


I like to think that word is SENSIBLE!

I've had up to 25 layers with 5 nest boxes and no issues.
Think we have 17 hens now, and they all seem to lay in 3 of the 5 for some reason: ends and middle
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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:41:48 PM
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Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:


There is a word for people like us.

TRG


I like to think that word is SENSIBLE!

I've had up to 25 layers with 5 nest boxes and no issues.
Think we have 17 hens now, and they all seem to lay in 3 of the 5 for some reason: ends and middle


To be honest, my wife and I might..might...eat a dozen eggs in a month. I don't plan to raise the broilers that turn in to cows at 6 weeks.

I want some birds that will simply lay some eggs, raise some chicks, rinse..repeat.

If I had enough eggs to sell a dozen or two a week that would be fine.

People like 'brown country eggs'. They seem to pay for them. 2-3 bucks a dozen? What kind of chickens lay 'brown eggs like grandma's chickens used to lay!'

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What's with the Corny kegs in the first pic?
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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:50:12 PM
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What's with the Corny kegs in the first pic?


I've used them in the past to make homemade wine.

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Posted: 4/29/2011 8:59:29 PM
You sure are lucky to that much already set up for you.

I think you are on the right track with what you are planning now.

Are there a lot of coons in your area?
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You sure are lucky to that much already set up for you.

I think you are on the right track with what you are planning now.

Are there a lot of coons in your area?


I irrigate my garden from a spring fed creek. It has small perch, crawfish, snails, and a few mussels.

We have a pretty healthy coon population as a result. Skunks, possums, owls, etc.

I have several traps that I will use to help manage the problem.

These low lands also mean snakes, lots of bull snakes. Can I toss golf balls under the shed and decoy the snakes? I hates the snakes.

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Posted: 4/29/2011 9:06:55 PM
You might want to think about a single strand electric fence wire around the outside of the fence. We put one about 8 inches up from the ground and about 3 inches away from the fence to keep critters from climbing the fence and trying to get in.
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You might want to think about a single strand electric fence wire around the outside of the fence. We put one about 8 inches up from the ground and about 3 inches away from the fence to keep critters from climbing the fence and trying to get in.


My neighbor does that. I'll see if I still have my old fence charger and wire...I know I have some around here, somewhere.

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Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: What kind of chickens lay 'brown eggs


I think the rule of thumb is that white chickens lay white eggs, colored chickens lay colored eggs.
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Originally Posted By Skunkum:
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: What kind of chickens lay 'brown eggs


I think the rule of thumb is that white chickens lay white eggs, colored chickens lay colored eggs.


Honestly, I knew that some game chickens laid green/blue eggs, but I thought it was just luck of the draw until your post.

I googled, http://www.ithaca.edu/staff/jhenderson/chooks/chooks.html

Learn something new every day in this forum it seems.

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Americanas/sp lay the blue green eggs.
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friggin awesome dude!

I'm stoked to make mine.
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
friggin awesome dude!

I'm stoked to make mine.


Saw your tips in the other thread about ants in the feeder.

I have a 35 gallon blue water barrel. I was thinking of using it as an 'automatic' feeder. Simply fill it up, cut some holes in the bottom and let them peck out what they want to eat. thoughts on this?

Water, I am pretty sure I can do this with the big 1100 gallon tank. Run the tractor to water the garden, and send 50% to the tank to refill. Crack open the drain and let it drip in to a couple of pans. I can position the drip pans near a natural drainage slope, so there would not be a muddy mess mid-pen.

Any downside to this?

If the tank had 1000 gallons in it, I think a drip of water per second, or so, would give me .... about a half gallon per hour ... 2000 hours of dripping.

2000 hours = 83 days of water.


Just googled it. One drip per second is only 347 gallons per YEAR, A gallon of fresh water per DAY approximately.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_drops_of_water_in_one_gallon

So, filling the tank would mean at least one year, possibly 2-3 years of dripping. in to a pan. So, converting the price of filling the water tank in to the hours of diesel required... five bucks a year, tops.

Thoughts on this too?

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The feeding from a bucket might or might not work. My first thought was that they'd jump on top of it and shake the food out on the ground, into shit and ants.

You need something to keep it put, while allowing them to eat from it, but not stand and shit in it.

Some like this:


I'm sure you can easily fashion something like it from a couple of buckets and some pvc pipe.


Regarding the water, the pans are a bad idea. They'll shit in the pans, and the water will fall into shit, and they'll get sick.

The last time I built a small coup (smaller than yours) I actually mounted a 5 gallon bucket on the oustide wall of the coup, and ran about 10' of 3/4" PVC, and tapped these into it:



They are super cheap, and you can buy them at any feed/seed store. That setup worked like a charm until it froze and busted the pipe. Just insulate it like you would your outside pipes and you are good to go.

I'd wager you could actually run a garden hose from your "big ass water jug" and couple it directly in the pvc with the nipples in it, and never ever have to worry about water again.

Another side effect of the water in pans, is that they'll kick it over, and get the inside of the coop all moist, which amplifies the smell and attracts all kinds of pests. And you'll hate the smell too.

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Posted: 4/30/2011 12:52:39 AM
What is that?

Is it like a rabbit waterer?

If I go to the feedstore tomorrow what do I ask for?

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