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Posted: 8/19/2014 1:28:05 PM EDT
Non-drinker wants input on what booze preps (kinds) and bottling (glass vs. plastic) that would make sense for a family. Booze would be a good commodity for barter and its medical uses have been well documented through history. Would grain alcohol be a good choice since it goes a long way? TIA!!!
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premium boozer will always command a premium...
OTOH, pack away instructions for brewing mash & maybe materials for simple coil or (better yet) reflux distillation and have the capability to roll your own if things are long term enough to be considering stocking up on grain alcohol. Nick |
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Non-drinker wants input on what booze preps (kinds) and bottling (glass vs. plastic) that would make sense for a family. Booze would be a good commodity for barter and its medical uses have been well documented through history. Would grain alcohol be a good choice since it goes a long way? TIA!!! AC_Doctor View Quote I'd go buy the big 1.75L jugs from premium names, but their middle lines. Whisky/bourbon, vodka, rum and possibly tequila would be the five popular ones. You'd save on the bigger bottles, but then you'd be stuck having to drink them down the road, if you needed to rotate them in/out, due to the fact that SHTF was postponed. If I had the extra cash, I'd buy a carton, or three, of Marlboro reds, but I don't smoke, so I would probably be left with stale cigarettes in a few years, lol. ETA: just Googled cigarettes. One hard core smoker stated if sealed, up to two years, others said a few months, longer if sealed and stored in a freezer. A couple to a few weeks if the pack is opened. Sealed spirits like those above, can last indefinitely, but much like cigarettes, once you open the bottle, things start going south, so maybe 750ml bottles, or pint bottles, are the way to go for bartering purposes? Kind of like having a 1oz. gold coin when you only want to trade for something a lot less that that coin is ultimately worth. Chris |
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The 3 horsemen
Jim, Jack and Jose Along with some Captian and some Vodka |
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booze won't 'go bad' in your lifetime. It is also damn easy to make. In a time of total collapse (every preppers wet dream), even crap booze will be another fungible commodity.
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Make your own, when everything collapses then you will be free to do what you need to do.
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I wouldn't waste money on something I can't use on the hope/fear I could barter it if the economy/world collapses.
Plenty of stuff to stockpile you can personally use or enjoy in the likely event the world doesn't end.
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While the idea of trading with addicts might seem like a time to cash in... The last thing I would want, would be desperate people on the brink of detox knowing I have what they need.
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Booze is the trickiest thing to store.
Its crazy. I keep stocking it away but it keeps disappearing. Can't remember what I did with it. |
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While the idea of trading with addicts might seem like a time to cash in... The last thing I would want, would be desperate people on the brink of detox knowing I have what they need. View Quote Maybe, but bartering ammo (or guns) could mean dealing with desperate people who have, and presumably intend to use, weapons who know you have the goods. Bartering food means dealing with desperate people on the brink of starvation trying to keep themselves/kids/wife alive who know you have what they need to survive. So on and so forth. SHTF = desperate people. Bartering means letting people know that you have what they need. If you plan on post-collapse bartering, where do draw the line? |
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I wouldn't become the neighborhood alcohol supplier to bored/desperate people. I avoid that crowd day to day, so could you imaging that message getting around. Better to respond to strangers with commiseration that you can't find any either. Remember your security is tied to secrecy, not to being the SHTF booze (or toilet paper) king.
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Forget about labels, when times are rough, people will take whatever does the job. Buy whats on sale, and buy it by the case.
I prefer vodka, and thats what I have stored |
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Just go stock up on a bunch of single barrel, small batches of good bourbon. If all else fails and you don't get the "end of the world", you will almost always be able to profit from it. The market for older small batch and single barrel stuff is amazing right now!
I wouldn't mind getting a bunch of cases of Four Roses Single Barrel while it's cheap and available right now. I really like the stuff and it's insanely popular, and when it dries up it will only go up in value. |
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Cigarettes could possibly be a life saver come shtf
Being an arfcommer buys anyone a bed at wherever I'm at if SHTF |
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Cheapest booze you can buy in glass bottles from pints to liter size.
This has been my plan for years, putting back 1-2 bottles a week,( now I don't drink that much) much learned after reading Selco |
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Booze is the trickiest thing to store. Its crazy. I keep stocking it away but it keeps disappearing. Can't remember what I did with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Booze is the trickiest thing to store. Its crazy. I keep stocking it away but it keeps disappearing. Can't remember what I did with it. Ha! I have the same problem. it's weird. Quoted:
Cigarettes could possibly be a life saver come shtf Being an arfcommer buys anyone a bed at wherever I'm at if SHTF Two problems with this...... 1. cigarettes do not store well. 2. Perhaps you mean SF Arfcommer, or have you not been to GD? ETA: and I am not so sure about all the people in the SF forum. |
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A few things regarding this topic, though......
- Not everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic or is addicted to it. - Distilling your own spirits can be dangerous. It's about as easy to distill methanol (bad) as it is ethanol (good) - personally, I would not take the chance after TEOTWAWKI, especially trading with someone I don't know. - I would only consider trading for unopened, sealed, bottles that have a brand name I recognize. - I imagine others would feel the same way. - I stock only stuff I drink, because chances are, I will end up drinking it anyways. (i.e. no EOTW) - If I did not drink, I would probably not stock anything 'just for barter', however, in an EOTWAWKI situation, there could be some uses for strong drink even for the non-drinkers out there. If it was not for alcohol, I might never have gotten laid, or married for that matter. - If you choose to stock something for barter, I would probably go with smaller glass bottles. Vodka is probably your cheapest bet. and it is the most popular distilled spirit consumed in the U.S. |
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A few things regarding this topic, though...... - Not everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic or is addicted to it. - Distilling your own spirits can be dangerous. It's about as easy to distill methanol (bad) as it is ethanol (good) - personally, I would not take the chance after TEOTWAWKI, especially trading with someone I don't know. - I would only consider trading for unopened, sealed, bottles that have a brand name I recognize. - I imagine others would feel the same way. - I stock only stuff I drink, because chances are, I will end up drinking it anyways. (i.e. no EOTW) - If I did not drink, I would probably not stock anything 'just for barter', however, in an EOTWAWKI situation, there could be some uses for strong drink even for the non-drinkers out there. If it was not for alcohol, I might never have gotten laid, or married for that matter. - If you choose to stock something for barter, I would probably go with smaller glass bottles. Vodka is probably your cheapest bet. and it is the most popular distilled spirit consumed in the U.S. View Quote Quoted for truth. |
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I wouldn't become the neighborhood alcohol supplier to bored/desperate people. I avoid that crowd day to day, so could you imaging that message getting around. Better to respond to strangers with commiseration that you can't find any either. Remember your security is tied to secrecy, not to being the SHTF booze (or toilet paper) king. View Quote There is a hell of a lot of wisdom in this post. If I have 1 or 2L of concentrated booze, I certainly wouldn't plan on giving or trading it away. To me, it represents a concentrated quantity of scarce, useful, desireable stuff, with lots of important applications. Not something for desperate boozers to think and scheme about plundering. |
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I would look online, there are some beautiful finely crafted and perfectly legal pieces of "art" made out of copper that could be put to certain uses should the need arrive.
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LOL, Honestly my strategy is simply keep a small stocked bar, let my friends know what is my favorite booze, and they buy it for me as birthday, Christmas, gifts.
If you don't drink except socially, it will blow your mind how much you have in no time at all. As I type this I have two 5ths of Rare Breed in the wood display cases with classes, two 5ths of Rare breed in bottles, one bottle of Four Roses small batch, a bottle of Wild Turkey 101. six little shot size Rare Breeds, and that's in my office not even in my bar. Its quite ironic. Nobody gives anyone beer but you let folks know you like this liqueur, which is way more expensive than beer, you end up with a lifetimes supply in gifts. People enjoy giving it to folks they know aren't alcoholics and have on intention of being one. If you are a drunk, nobody gives you crap and you have to hang with other drunks to share theirs. The stuff you don't drink, well its always there. When I get about a half bottle down, I replace it We have a little wine rack for those special night dinner wines and when it needs some holes filled, we stock up on liquer that's half empty. Honestly sometimes I forget, and buy more anyway. Before long the cabinets under your bar at home are like one at a real bar. Now I have a full bar in the Den and a mini-bar in the sunroom. It looks nice, decorative, and a conversation piece when you have company. The real issue isn't what to stock or how but if you drink all the time, you can't stock anything except what you don't like. When you are buying only crap you wouldn't normally drink because its cheap, time for the 12 steps man. I had my run in with the "Budweiser God" when I was a kid so its not hard at all. The "Budweiser God" is what my social circle calls alcoholics who will forsake God, Country, Family, and Job for alcohol. Where Catholics make the sign of the cross, we when talking about others, make the sign of the bottle. To keep a bar, I kid you not, sometimes you need to hide it from those who worship the "Budweiser God". If you do worship the "Budweiser God" don't bother to stock anything. You won't. Like a coke addict trying to become a dealer, you will become your own best customer. Anyway, having nice booze around is a plus. A bottle of booze as a well chosen gift has opened more doors than keys. Historically it has more value in survival than gold. Luxury items are always a hot item during hard times of any sort. Where a gift of money is always seen as a bribe, a nice bottle of booze is not. I hate to say this but many people do worship the "Budweiser God" and you can always count on them to be appreciative and sometimes walk on water or navigate the gates of hell for it. I've got more done in the Army and business with one well placed bottle than years of pleading. That reminds me, I owe my doctor a bottle of Four Roses small batch for Christmas. I'll just give hm this one in front of me. As for the morality of drinking, unless its a religious thing or you are a recovering alcoholic, there is no more in a shot of good booze than eating sugar or salt. Its like many things a matter of how much and how often, while a little of it is actually very healthful and a major social door opener. It is an acquired taste much like eating Indian food is the first time. After a while though, you develop a taste for what you like and refine that taste. Its not a one size fits all, discourage everyone, discourage everyone. If my "Budweiser God" friends knew how many times I've used booze they dare not even buy as an antiseptic or to start a fire on a cold day, they'd have a heart attack. Alcohol only has the value, you put in it. Tj BTW, I'm grinning ear to ear at rather trade bullet than booze that prevails this forum. I'd rather have my neighbor drunk and dependent than shooting at me. |
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A bit complex, but if you keep bees, you will have honey. There are ways to keep yeast alive and going for a long time.
Mmmmh...mead |
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Doc
I have a 2 gl bucket of the mini bottle that are served on acft. It called the vise bucket and it have other vise items as well |
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Quoted: Just go stock up on a bunch of single barrel, small batches of good bourbon. If all else fails and you don't get the "end of the world", you will almost always be able to profit from it. The market for older small batch and single barrel stuff is amazing right now! I wouldn't mind getting a bunch of cases of Four Roses Single Barrel while it's cheap and available right now. I really like the stuff and it's insanely popular, and when it dries up it will only go up in value. View Quote Most "small batch bourbon" is made in a factory in Indiana. |
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Quoted: I would look online, there are some beautiful finely crafted and perfectly legal pieces of "art" made out of copper that could be put to certain uses should the need arrive. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote Or for producing ethanol for fuel - http://www.coppermoonshinestills.com/index.html
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I would look online, there are some beautiful finely crafted and perfectly legal pieces of "art" made out of copper that could be put to certain uses should the need arrive. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Or for producing ethanol for fuel - http://www.coppermoonshinestills.com/index.html That's nice stuff, but his prices have gone through the roof over the last few years. ETA His stuff is more like artwork than anything you need to distill. A man can buy a reflux column and beads and make the rest fairly easy. I wouldn't plan on learning to distill safely after SHTF. Just stock up on 200ml Jim Beam bottles. I used to hand them out as party favors at Christmas, and they'd be like little gold bars to some folks in a bad spot after SHTF |
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On the booze aspect I rather store smaller sized cheap booze bottles. My logic with the little amount of people that prep compared to the amount that don't, it would be easier to barter that cheap booze than the expensive stuff. I look at the bartering as your running a gun store. Sure you might have a Barrett, yet how many do you sell in a year? On the flip side how many hi points, sigmas, and police trade in glocks do you sell in a year? much more with faster turn around. Last thing you want is to have a potential barter item you can't rid of.
On the cigarette side, cant you food saver a carton and extend its shelf life? |
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Along with some booze, I've got a half dozen bottles of caffeine tablets. That shit is going to be real popular within 24 hour of the coffee pots going dead.
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Glass or Plastic for the booze preps? or does it not make a difference?
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