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Posted: 4/21/2012 4:33:09 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT The rep of Eberlestock suggested to go with either the Warhammer, Skycrane II or Terminator F4. Further he stated to get the Tactical Weapon Scabbard (A4SS) and this will be the perfect fit for the rifle. Does anyone have this setup or have any other info that I may have missed. The bags are really nice, and look forward to the purchase. Here are the bags I am looking at. I am leaning towards the Terminator. There is a backorder, due back mid may. Skycrane II http://eberlestock.com/J79%20Skycrane%20II.htm Warhammer http://eberlestock.com/J51M%20Warhammer.htm Terminator F4 http://eberlestock.com/F4%20Terminator.htm Weapon Scabbard http://craven1.apollohosting.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=E1&Product_Code=A4SS Thanks Jack |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 4:49:03 PM
I ordered, and received a G4 Operator. The Gunslinger is a good bag but was too small to be a BOB.
The bag is everything they say it is. Very well thought out and great quality. You won't regret it. Also look at their new "Dry Earth" color, it is very versatile |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 4:57:10 PM
Does this one already come with the built in Scabbard, and if so, large enough to fit my rifle?
Thanks for your response, really appreciate it. |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 6:06:17 PM
I have an X4.
I tend to be a bit more imaginative in my solutions to typical problems. My bob kit is very minimalist. I have no problem fitting everything I need in the X4 for 3-5 days. I use it for hiking and general use as well, so I get a lot of real on the ground experience with it. I decided not to go with the scabbard for two reasons... it adds weight if I'm not carrying a rifle, and it really doesn't conceal a rifle. A lot of people says that scabbard conceals it, but when you see one with a rifle in it, it's pretty clear there's a rifle there. And if I did decide to carry a long gun on my pack, I could easily attach an external scabbard. I approached the problem of concealing a long arm a different way, and simply have a folding stock SBR that fits in the pack. Concealed. I was able to use the waist belt from the X4 as a war belt as well. It it removeable and has molle around both sides. I added a couple rows of molle to the back so I could attach a butt bag if required. I also added some aluminum supports so the pack would carry additional weight better, as the frame sheet just wasn't up to anything over 25 lbs or so. I like the bag a lot. My only criticism is that it's pretty heavy for such a small bag. For lightweight uses, I have an Arc'Teryx about the same size that weight almost 3 lbs less than the Eberlestock. The waist belt on it sucked ass though, so I modified it to use the Eberlestock waistbelt, which is one of the best I've used. Az |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 8:05:10 PM
Thank you for sharing this with me. I agree that the gun isn't hidden.
You sound like you have a great BOB. |
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Posted: 4/22/2012 11:14:47 AM
The G4 scabbard is big enough to house a scoped AR.
I thought about the scabbard issue and it does add weight to the pack. My thought process ended with this; The scabbard has an advantage over an after thought scabbard because it puts the weight of the rifle right next to the back. This helps with loads distribution while hiking because the load would otherwise be on the back of the pack which is not comfortable. To me this benefit outweighes, (pun intended), the roughly 12 ounces of extra weight. The other problem the scabbard poses is you loose storage space. I believe the X4 is the same pack as the G4, minus the scabbard. The X4 has about 1500 cubic inches more storage because of the absence of the scabbard. I solve this issue by using the scabbard for storage when the rifle isnt being carried. The space is great for my tarp, bivy, sleeping pad and various other items. Also, the lower part of the rifle scabbard serves as a sudo frame or back plate that supports my sleeping bag while its strapped to the bottom of the pack. It keeps the bag from bouncing as much as it has on other packs I have used. Its a personal decision which way to go. The one thing I'll point out though is hump 50 pounds on your back and then an additional 25 in weapons and ammo. I have talked to several that this didnt really register with. One other item, look at Eberlestocks "Multipack" in the "Accessories" section of their website. If you buy it,with the additional attachment cables, it is a great front bag for the pack that is perfectly sized for bino's and cliff bars or a pistol and mags and cliff bars. Its very useful and it doubles as a fanny pack if you need to drop the pack and get mobile quickly. |
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Posted: 4/22/2012 8:14:21 PM
Originally Posted By tbd1966:
Its a personal decision which way to go. The one thing I'll point out though is hump 50 pounds on your back and then an additional 25 in weapons and ammo. I have talked to several that this didnt really register with. One other item, look at Eberlestocks "Multipack" in the "Accessories" section of their website. If you buy it,with the additional attachment cables, it is a great front bag for the pack that is perfectly sized for bino's and cliff bars or a pistol and mags and cliff bars. Its very useful and it doubles as a fanny pack if you need to drop the pack and get mobile quickly. Roger that, It's a tough choice either way, and is definitely influenced by what you plan on carrying and other priorities. And I totally agree on getting out and using it. I've seen and hiked with several people who thought they needed everything until they humped it a mile or two. Suddenly, priorities shift. I use a Snugpack response pack in the same manner as the Multipack. It's about the same size and is suspended the same way. Az |
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Posted: 4/22/2012 8:30:51 PM
I have the Terminator and the Gunslinger (for the wife). I love my Terminator and use it when I travel. I can carry 50 pounds VERY comfortably.
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Posted: 4/22/2012 10:36:41 PM
[Last Edit: 4/22/2012 10:54:17 PM by discworld717]
I have a gunslinger. I got after the fire. I use it as a day/weekend pack. It does fit my ar with acog but I never put a mag in when it is the hole. I'd get the skycrane.
ETA Originally Posted By AzB:
the Eberlestock waistbelt, which is one of the best I've used. Az This is one of the nicest belt designs on the market. |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 1:56:25 AM
I liked mine but the hydration system seemed like a afterthought. It would suck to have a bag leak on your gear. Very nice otherwise. If you wear gear on belt behind you the rifle bumps against it.
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Posted: 4/23/2012 2:56:03 AM
I’ve got an Operator G4 awaiting me at home (my son said he’s going to try and talk me out of it). The G4 gives up some space for a dedicated weapon carry option; if you don’t need it, I would look at the other packs that can attach them as needed. I specifically wanted the integrated carry option and figure I have other packs if I truly need more carrying capacity. Don’t forget you can get a 20 round magazine vice a 30 round mag which will make the width easier to handle (that’s my solution).
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Posted: 4/23/2012 6:14:40 AM
We have two of them. I have the operator and my wife has the X4 . I still working on getting the shoulders strap just right. I got about fifty -five pounds in it and still got a lot of room. My wifes pack has about thirty-five pounds in it and she loves it.
you can't beat one of there packs. |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 3:12:36 PM
Have a Gunslinger II. Great pack and it works as a 3 day pack with everything I need in it.
Just got done with a weekend test with it. I am planning on doing a series of gear updates and will post as time allows. |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 5:28:37 PM
Originally Posted By tbd1966:
I ordered, and received a G4 Operator. The Gunslinger is a good bag but was too small to be a BOB. The bag is everything they say it is. Very well thought out and great quality. You won't regret it. Also look at their new "Dry Earth" color, it is very versatile +1 on the "Dry Earth". I've been using a FAC Track in Military Green for about 2 years and the Dry Earth would have been a better choice for almost everywhere I've taken it. Other than color, the pack is fantastic. |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 6:10:13 PM
Just got a blue widow, and I am liking it. Used it with the A4SS in collapsed mode to carry an AR10 with a big assed 50MM scope, on a hog hunt (as a hunting/day pack).
Taking out next week on a 5 day backpacking trip in expanded mode, with the A2SS scabbard in it to carry an 870 on a turkey hunting/backpacking trip (probably will pack a total of 6-7 miles in and hunt from a basecamp for several days...) I actually just packed for the trip, and I have all my gear in it with a spike duffle inside the pack. thought I might need to use the interior space PLUS attach the spike duffel on the outside, but I got it all crammed into the duffle in the main compartment. if I get a turkey, I will move the duffel to the outside, and put the turkey in the main compartment for the hike out... I liked the blue widow because it let me switch scabbards (I hunt with an AR10 regularly but not always, and the A4SS is pretty bulky), or not use a scabbard at all if I didnt need to carry a long gun. I gave some serious thought to the skycrane, but ended up going with the blue widow since I didnt think I would ever use the "little brother" pack by itself, and the empty weight on the skycrane with the little brother in it was pretty heavy... |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 6:44:05 PM
Thank you everyone for your responses and info, I really appreciate it. I ended up ordering the G4 Operator, I really liked that it had the scabbard built in, saves to have to buy, and the storage space wasn't that much of a loss (for what I need).
I will for sure get the multipack to add on to it. I may also buy another smaller bag in the near future. Thanks again. |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 6:46:31 PM
Awesome!
Post an update after you have used it a few times and let us know how you like it! :) |
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Posted: 4/23/2012 6:56:59 PM
Don't forget to order some extra strap keepers for your pack! Don't know how I lived without them.
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Posted: 4/23/2012 8:43:53 PM
[Last Edit: 4/23/2012 8:46:28 PM by PAPI]
Have a Gunslinger II. Great pack and it works as a 3 day pack with everything I need in it. Keep us updated , with photo please !! PAPI |
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:55:02 AM
I have the G4 Operator I love it. Best pack I have ever owned. I had a Gunslinger II and traded it off. Way to small for me. I am 6'0 and weigh 200 pounds. It was to big for my wife, so I traded to a friend who is about 5'5'' and 170 pounds, it fit him perfectly.
I have another buddy with the sky crane. he loves his as well. |
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Posted: 4/24/2012 3:41:06 PM
I love my GSII. I've been using it solely as a 3 day back for patrolling, and it holds plenty. The scabbard is tight for an M4 with an optic and a mag, but the solution to me would be too throw in a 20 rounder and stack 30's on your battle-rattle. The internal pouches for a camelbak bladder are pretty small, so I use them to stow smaller items like cleaning gear or extra lube. The amterial for the internal pockets feels almost papery, so I'd be careful about anything with corners.
If you aren't carrying a rifle, the GSII scabbard can be collapsed on itself, or it makes a decent place to throw a manpack radio or a larger camelbak. I haven't had the opportunity to use the others, but my buddy with STA is using a Phantom and loving it. |
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