 jts4746 
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Posted: 3/31/2012 4:34:40 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I am currently looking at Trijicon's RMR. I like the size of the RMR and the fact that it can be used without batteries is a huge win. I know it would probably be great for inside 50-100 yards but what about further out? The other sight I am looking at is a Trijicon Accupoint 1x-4x scope. I like the ability to adjust the magnification level and of course not needing batteries. I am not sure how this scope would perform at close range compared to a red dot style like the RMR. Also I don't like that the reticle options for the Accupoint doing have some sort of BDC or marks of any kind similar to the ACOG. For anyone running these sights how well do they work for you? For everyone else, are there any other sights I should be looking at? Thanks. |
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Shadeaux
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Posted: 3/31/2012 5:40:52 PM
I like mine.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 6:00:31 PM
Just along for the ride...hope you get some responses here.
Next purchase for me is an M1a Scout, and not sure where I'm going with optics. I have a Swarovsky 4x12 that needs a host, but I think its better suited for a bolt gun. I'm leaning towards an Acog or a compact 1x4. In my AO, I don't think I'd ever need to reach beyond 500. I'd like something fairly fast for close in, but adequate for medium range. |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 7:20:48 PM
[Last Edit: 3/31/2012 7:26:15 PM by Skibane]
Originally Posted By jts4746:
I am currently looking at Trijicon's RMR. I like the size of the RMR and the fact that it can be used without batteries is a huge win. I know it would probably be great for inside 50-100 yards but what about further out? Much beyond 100 yards, the 4 MOA dot will completely cover just about anything you're likely to be shooting at. It isn't intended for long-range shooting. Have you looked at the "mini ACOGs" (like the TA33)? They aren't much heavier or bulker than a conventional scope.  |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:07:10 PM
Have you considered some of the other 1-4x scopes around? They seem like a good compromise between short range speed and mid-range accuracy.
The AR-15 optics section has a lot of good info. |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:48:57 PM
They have recently introduced some reduced MOA RMR's that I'm thinking about. Else, I love my 2MOA comp 3's and my T1's. Smaller is better unless I'm behind my 1-4x24 trij. That thing is awesome.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 12:03:50 AM
Im a big fan of anything Trijicon, havent tried the RMR though
Shadeaux do you have a pic from the side of the RMR of the angle mount? that looks cool! I have the TA31 RCO M4 on my AR and the 3-9-40 Accupoint on my P308 really happy with both but looking to go bigger on the 308. 
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Posted: 4/1/2012 1:06:28 AM
Originally Posted By Skibane:
Originally Posted By jts4746:
I am currently looking at Trijicon's RMR. I like the size of the RMR and the fact that it can be used without batteries is a huge win. I know it would probably be great for inside 50-100 yards but what about further out? Much beyond 100 yards, the 4 MOA dot will completely cover just about anything you're likely to be shooting at. It isn't intended for long-range shooting. Have you looked at the "mini ACOGs" (like the TA33)? They aren't much heavier or bulker than a conventional scope. http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1674/trijiconta33r.jpg Had not really looked at the TA33's. I will definitely take a look. Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/1/2012 1:07:25 AM
Originally Posted By MJP68:
Im a big fan of anything Trijicon, havent tried the RMR though Shadeaux do you have a pic from the side of the RMR of the angle mount? that looks cool! I have the TA31 RCO M4 on my AR and the 3-9-40 Accupoint on my P308 really happy with both but looking to go bigger on the 308. http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff4/mjp68/Guns%20n%20stuff/IMG_1576.jpg Trijicon is great. Not only is their ability to not require batteries awesome but their optic clarity is superb as well! |
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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:51:18 AM
I have both a TA31F and a 2MOA Aimpoint. Honestly either will do the job. The 2 MOA dot wont blot out your target at distance, but the 4x of the ACOG is really nice past 100. Have you looked at the 1-4 Accupoint?
Aimpoints have battery life of 50,000 hours so I dont count it being battery powered a negative in that case. That equals 5.7 years of constant operation! |
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ArmedSuspect
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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:36:56 PM
two weeks ago we were shooting an IPSC steel target at 400 yds.... with a 4moa Aimpoint micro. yes, it covers up a good portion of the target but it works just fine if you *had to*. for your 500yds and in the 2moa will be better but target identification will be complete shit and the shot will be a wild guess.
i own both Trijicon and Aimpoint products and have no regrets about my decisions. i don't honestly believe there is an equal on the market for the TA31 series of scopes. with a TA31F i've made shots on steel out to 800yds. wind is a bitch but the ACOG handles everything else. with a 16" AR and a 4x ACOG you should OWN everything 500yds and in. they don't really weigh enough to make me reconsider my choice in optics. nothing else on the market is a rugged, reliable and battle proven as the ACOG. you say you have the 14.5" bbl ACOG, TA31RCO-M4CP. with proper ammo selection it'll still work on your 16" barrel. the basics of the BDC work with bullet weight and muzzle velocity, get that correct and you're good to go. that or you can look at making a trade for a TA31F. |
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Shadeaux
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Posted: 4/2/2012 8:56:56 PM
[Last Edit: 4/2/2012 9:44:57 PM by Shadeaux]
Originally Posted By MJP68:
I'm a big fan of anything Trijicon, haven't tried the RMR though Shadeaux do you have a pica from the side of the RMR of the angle mount? that looks cool! I have the TA31 RCO M4 on my AR and the 3-9-40 Accupoint on my P308 really happy with both but looking to go bigger on the 308. http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff4/mjp68/Guns%20n%20stuff/IMG_1576.jpg YEP. 
Very low profile. The RMR is a 3.25 MOA mounted to a Trijicon RM33 Picatinny rail mount and then attached to a Gear mount. It was the closest mounting system I could find. I wish LaRue would make a QD for them No the spent casings do not touch the RMR. Also no blow back or build-up.. 
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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:13:51 AM
Battery powered ACOG all the way. AA batteries will still be around a long time after the tritium in the regular ACOG craps out. I like Trijicons stuff and have owned an ACOG a RMR and a TR24G in addition to Aimpoints and Eotechs. I couldn't stand the thought of knowing that someday I would have to send my $800.00 or $1000.00+ scope back to the manufacturer and pay another $500.00 (at least) to have them replace the damn tritium. Those scopes were good but not that good so I sold them on the EE.
The TR24 would have been way better with a range finding reticle. The triangle was OK though. The great thing about that scope is it was just like a red dot close up with no magnification. Fast as hell on a 1.93 Larue mount. Out past a couple hundred yards the triangle would hide what you were aiming at but the magnification was nice and quality of the glass was good. My Aimpoints reticles seemed huge and obstructive after having run Eotechs for so long. So I went back to the Eotech and upgraded to a XPS3 and still have a couple of 512s on my hand out carbines. I can honestly say I've owned or tried most every red dot worth having and will never look back. The Eotechs just work for me and I've never had a single problem. My only complaint is they don't have the battery life that the Aimpoints have. That said I have never not had a dot when I've turned on my Eotechs. I have left them on too I am sure, especially when running in NV mode with the PVS14 but it would still be nice to have 5 yrs of constant on time. Seems like there is some compromise no matter which route you go... |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:03:40 AM
Originally Posted By 9mmprn:
Battery powered ACOG all the way. AA batteries will still be around a long time after the tritium in the regular ACOG craps out. I like Trijicons stuff and have owned an ACOG a RMR and a TR24G in addition to Aimpoints and Eotechs. I couldn't stand the thought of knowing that someday I would have to send my $800.00 or $1000.00+ scope back to the manufacturer and pay another $500.00 (at least) to have them replace the damn tritium. Those scopes were good but not that good so I sold them on the EE. The TR24 would have been way better with a range finding reticle. The triangle was OK though. The great thing about that scope is it was just like a red dot close up with no magnification. Fast as hell on a 1.93 Larue mount. Out past a couple hundred yards the triangle would hide what you were aiming at but the magnification was nice and quality of the glass was good. My Aimpoints reticles seemed huge and obstructive after having run Eotechs for so long. So I went back to the Eotech and upgraded to a XPS3 and still have a couple of 512s on my hand out carbines. I can honestly say I've owned or tried most every red dot worth having and will never look back. The Eotechs just work for me and I've never had a single problem. My only complaint is they don't have the battery life that the Aimpoints have. That said I have never not had a dot when I've turned on my Eotechs. I have left them on too I am sure, especially when running in NV mode with the PVS14 but it would still be nice to have 5 yrs of constant on time. Seems like there is some compromise no matter which route you go... Yup, & the new one shuts down on auto too. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:03:53 AM
[Last Edit: 4/4/2012 5:05:33 AM by EXPY37]
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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:04:18 AM
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mike_nds
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Posted: 4/4/2012 9:19:57 AM
I really like my Valada M2 with Dragunov reticle.
Balistic cam for 62gr etched reticle 2032 watch battery additional aiming posts for windage hold off (or just use the knob) It's bigger and heavier than an ACOG, but substantially less expensive. I have made shots on prairie dogs to 450 yards with it. They are the size of a 20oz pop bottle. |
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Muad
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:26:30 AM
Originally Posted By jts4746: For everyone else, are there any other sights I should be looking at? Thanks. For 0-500, I like Irons honestly. Unless you're shooting for accuracy on paper or hunting varmints at those ranges, Irons do just fine for "minute of man" shooting, and you can build another rifle with the savings from the ACOG. Just saying... |
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