Originally Posted By mustangracer: Originally Posted By protus: what saves weigh onmy end is i have no tent. i use the light weight tarps that i make as a hobby. they are all on avg under 6.5 OZ's. i have two in this kit and they dont weigh over 9 oz's combined. and both are 5x8(7)'s. Could you possibly post up a pic of these, I think it's a great idea and a helluva lot lighter than a tent.

this is one of the set ups. which im giving away as a present to a family memeber.
12oz with stakes and all.



2nd one twice as big,, and 14.5 oz's loaded.


the others are plain jane 5x7(8)s with 8 tie downs. they fit in a zip lock

desert night camo

set ups like this arent the best but for light weight they cant be beat. i also use a bivy sacka nd even my .3miltrash bags as a foot pring.
The green one went through 3 days of non stop fla rain with out fail! sucked but i stayed dry!

Is there a Hydration system or insert that will work with an Alice pack and Alice frame?

Originally Posted By nationwide: Originally Posted By protus: i was kinda hopeing others would chime in with pics,,gear list ect for the newbs... maybe one day,,, ... Yeah, no foolin. I, uh... "know a guy" that's gotten a new pack and some new gear and updated his BoB. The bastard should post pics already!!! Uh... I mean

dont need pics just honest partcipation. im starting to think no one has ever packed or owns a BOB.
we have a thread 6 pages long of guys bashing a newb for his pack weight but yet i dont see ANYone else posting up to help guys like him or the others with their pack. Alot of folks complained we didnt have an up to date BOB thread.
well here it is guys,,

The hat, Protus, you always forget the hat!

Originally Posted By jdmpimp: Here's the begining of my 2nd attempt at the perfect BOB..... www.jdmpimp.com/TEMP/IMG_9695.jpg - Bates Ultra Lite Boots - 5.11 OD Nylon Pants - 5.11 Black Nylon Long Sleeve Shirt - Glock 22 with Serpa Holster on Pack - Eberlstock Gunslinger Pack - AR15 with RRA Midlength Chrome Lined Upper I will pull all the goodies out soon to show what I have inside. Time for bed though.

• Eberlestock Gunslinger Pack


• 2 - 70 oz Camelbaks(Inside Pack)


• Eureka Backcounty 2 Tent


• 2 - 3.5oz Packs of Beef Jerky


• Mountain House Flameless Oven Kit


• 5 - 20oz Mountain House Meals


• 4 - Cliff Bars


• Spam


• 5 - Packs of Gatorade(Make 32oz Each)


• 30 - Katadyn Water Purification Tablets


• Deordorant


• 9 Hour Candles


• Stormproof Matches


• Multi-tool


• Surefire G2


• Zip Lock Bags


• Duct Tape


• Wiley X Glasses/Goggles


• Whislte


• Tooth brush / tooth paste


• Carmex Lip Balm


• 50 feet of 550 Cord


• 2 Pair of underwear / socks / moisture wicking under shirts


• Glock 22


• AR-15


• COMING SOON - Snugpak Elite 2 or 3 Sleeping bag

As far as ammo goes I will have mags and 150 rounds of ammo for the AR with mags and 75 rounds of ammo for the G22. I have a Recon Commando Vest for this that is not pictured. I intend to conceal this with a light track jacket.

Any suggestions? I am always looking for those to make my BOB better.

Nice setup.... what do you use for stove or cooking?

Love the duct tape! I hate to say it, but I buy those short expensive flat rools just cause they are so compact. I have never run out.... but

Thanks for sharing!

Originally Posted By blackhawkhunter: Nice setup.... what do you use for stove or cooking? Love the duct tape! I hate to say it, but I buy those short expensive flat rools just cause they are so compact. I have never run out.... but Thanks for sharing!

MH makes a flamless oven to heat the water for 5 20z packs. It is pictured in the upper right hand corner of the layout. I was thinking about getting a jetboil though.

Everything listed below adds up to only 8.7 pounds, and this even includes the pack itself


Summer (Jun-Aug) Pack Gear, Manufacturer, Model, Weight (oz)

Backpack, GoLite, Breeze, 14.0
Backpack Rain Cover, GoLite, Ultra-Lite Pack Cover, 4.0
Balaclava, USGI, Polypropolene, 1.8
Bandana, USGI, ACU, 1.1
Duct Tape Roll, USGI, OD Green, 8 Feet, 0.8
Emergency Blanket, Unknown, , 1.8
Firestarter, 2 Lighters, Bic, Original, 1.5
Ground Mat, Closed Foam, USGI, Cut Down in Size, 5.4
Ground Pad, GoLite, Ultra-Lite Ground Cloth, 3.0
Jacket (rain, wind, layer 3), The North Face, Venture (Large), 13.0
Knife Sharpener, USGI, , 0.6
Mosquito Netting with Stuff Sack, USGI, Face, 0.6
Pants (rain, wind, layer 3), The North Face, Venture (Large), 8.7
Pot with Lid and Sack, Snow Peak, Titanium, 3.9
Rope 2x25ft with 5 Quick Clips, USGI, 550 Paracord, 2.7
Scissors, Gerber, Fishing Line, Small, 0.7
Shirt, ECWCS (layer 1), USGI, Polypropolene (Large), 11.2
Sleeping Bag (850fill down, 15deg , 7x14), Marmot, Helium, 29.0
Sock Liners, Unknown, Large, 13", 1.7
Spork, Snow Peak, Titanium, 0.5
Stuff Sack (cloths), Outdoor Products, 8x14, 2.0
Stuff Sack (small items), Camp In, 4x6, 0.9
Tent (tarp only), GoLite, Lair 1, 18.9
Thread & Needle, Coats, 150 yards, OD Green, 0.7
Toothbrush in Ziplock Quart Freezer Bag, Oral-B, , 0.7
Water Filter, Katadyn, Mini Ceramic Microfilter, 8.0
Watter Bottles (2, 4L each), Platypus, Platy Bottle 2+ Liters Each, 2.0

Originally Posted By Amric: Everything listed below adds up to only 8.7 pounds, and this even includes the pack itself Summer (Jun-Aug) Pack Gear, Manufacturer, Model, Weight (oz) Backpack, GoLite, Breeze, 14.0 Backpack Rain Cover, GoLite, Ultra-Lite Pack Cover, 4.0 Balaclava, USGI, Polypropolene, 1.8 Bandana, USGI, ACU, 1.1 Duct Tape Roll, USGI, OD Green, 8 Feet, 0.8 Emergency Blanket, Unknown, , 1.8 Firestarter, 2 Lighters, Bic, Original, 1.5 Ground Mat, Closed Foam, USGI, Cut Down in Size, 5.4 Ground Pad, GoLite, Ultra-Lite Ground Cloth, 3.0 Jacket (rain, wind, layer 3), The North Face, Venture (Large), 13.0 Knife Sharpener, USGI, , 0.6 Mosquito Netting with Stuff Sack, USGI, Face, 0.6 Pants (rain, wind, layer 3), The North Face, Venture (Large), 8.7 Pot with Lid and Sack, Snow Peak, Titanium, 3.9 Rope 2x25ft with 5 Quick Clips, USGI, 550 Paracord, 2.7 Scissors, Gerber, Fishing Line, Small, 0.7 Shirt, ECWCS (layer 1), USGI, Polypropolene (Large), 11.2 Sleeping Bag (850fill down, 15deg , 7x14), Marmot, Helium, 29.0 Sock Liners, Unknown, Large, 13", 1.7 Spork, Snow Peak, Titanium, 0.5 Stuff Sack (cloths), Outdoor Products, 8x14, 2.0 Stuff Sack (small items), Camp In, 4x6, 0.9 Tent (tarp only), GoLite, Lair 1, 18.9 Thread & Needle, Coats, 150 yards, OD Green, 0.7 Toothbrush in Ziplock Quart Freezer Bag, Oral-B, , 0.7 Water Filter, Katadyn, Mini Ceramic Microfilter, 8.0 Watter Bottles (2, 4L each), Platypus, Platy Bottle 2+ Liters Each, 2.0

that weight with h20 and food? dont see it listed,,,good list though! and thanks for listing it for others tos ee,

It seems some people need to spend a lil more time in the grocery store looking at food...

Im not trying to bash anyone, but you can do better for yourself packing and sealing your own food stuffs. As apposed to buying prepacked foods like Mountain house.

For instance: I use Rice, mashed potatoes..



The rice uses 4 ounces of water to cook
The mashed potatoes uses 4 ounces of water to make..

Can someone post what amount of water they're Mountain House food needs to prepare? I guarentee its alot more than 4 ounces..

Think about it guys, if you can cut down on you water usage/ waste (evaporation) that leaves you more water to consume. Another thing with the Mountain house/ packaged foods, is the Bulk and weght. I wont bother with nutritional value as I dont know enough to bother.
I can carry up to 15 days of rice and mashed taters in the amount of space that 3-4 Mountain House meals will take up.

Dont get me wrong I like Mountain House, its great stuff. I would prefer to use it in the house and as a last resort being the cost of it, and since it has such a long preservation life... But then you could do the same with Rice to.. So

Originally Posted By Paveway_: Some things I don't see: -Baby/sanitation wipes -Waterless hand sanitizer or some kind of anti-bacterial soap (illness will likely be the number one problem in long term bug out) -Vitamins (processed foods don't have near enough vitamin content to maintain a healthy intake like you normally get from fresh foods) -Painkillers/aspirin? -Lighter, matches are nice but a 10 cent lighter sure makes things easier -container to be able to boil water in if needed -bandana and/or some wash cloths for washing up with -Some of that medical superglue for glueing up deep cuts (works great btw), bandages -Maybe a spare BCG for the AR, if you have an issue, just pop in a new BCG and worry about detail fixing the other one later, spare batts for lights?

Woops. I forgot to take my 1st aid kit out of the pack for the pic You're right on about the vitamins, painkillers, etc though. I'll get on it. I need to add toilet paper too.

Originally Posted By RjSteed: It seems some people need to spend a lil more time in the grocery store looking at food... Im not trying to bash anyone, but you can do better for yourself packing and sealing your own food stuffs. As apposed to buying prepacked foods like Mountain house. For instance: I use Rice, mashed potatoes.. photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=49565 The rice uses 4 ounces of water to cook The mashed potatoes uses 4 ounces of water to make.. Can someone post what amount of water they're Mountain House food needs to prepare? I guarentee its alot more than 4 ounces.. Think about it guys, if you can cut down on you water usage/ waste (evaporation) that leaves you more water to consume. Another thing with the Mountain house/ packaged foods, is the Bulk and weght. I wont bother with nutritional value as I dont know enough to bother. I can carry up to 15 days of rice and mashed taters in the amount of space that 3-4 Mountain House meals will take up. Dont get me wrong I like Mountain House, its great stuff. I would prefer to use it in the house and as a last resort being the cost of it, and since it has such a long preservation life... But then you could do the same with Rice to.. So

What the shelf life on that tuna? I went with MH cuz i could afford it and it tastes good with a 7+ year shelf life. If I had a vaccum sealer I would use it for sure. I don't take it as bashing in anyway, I am here to contribute and learn man. Thanks.

Originally Posted By protus: i was kinda hopeing others would chime in with pics,,gear list ect for the newbs... maybe one day,,, ...

Here's my GHB setup.

I'm pretty satisfied with it, save one or two minor things.

My next project (when the funds are available) will be a full-blown SHTF/BO rig based on a Kifaru pack, out of which I can live for a month or more. THAT is going to be a SERIOUS challenge!