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Posted: 5/17/2017 10:07:02 AM EDT
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Was cruising around looking for some things to add to my food storage and came across this "6 month supply".....The ad states that this is primarily Entrees etc...provides two "servings a day"......Huh, lets run some calculations.... A person (adult, performing usual activities) will require 2,000 calories a day. This "pack" provides 91,280 calories which is supposed to last and is advertised as a 6 month supply. Simple math time- 91,280/6= 15,213.33 calories PER MONTH. By my calculations, (7 days per week, 2000 calories per day) that's slightly more than a WEEKS worth of food, not a MONTHS. It breaks down to a little over 500 calories per day or 1/4 of what you need. Basically, they are providing TWO, 250 Calorie "Meals" per day......the equivalent essentially of a couple of Snickers bars.... Know what you are buying. Someone could easily buy that and think, "Gee, I've got all the food I need for 6 months".....Not even close....Now to be fair, they say these are the entrees, but nobody is going to have 1500 calories of "sides" per day... |
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Didn't go to the link but I did notice "lunch dinner entrees" in the cut and paste link you sent.
Maybe that's what they meant- six months worth of lunch and dinner entrees? I would use the words "comprehensive" or "complete" if marketing a program that was truly thought out to be EVERYTHING for a certain period of time. IME, most packages are not designed to be "complete" or "comprehensive"- I mean how many come with FATS AND OILS? None I know of or have seen in 31 years of doing this. Problem is people see "six months" and think that means buy this and don't worry about anything else- hence the danger in packages. The only person that can truly design a food storage problem for you is -you guessed it- YOU. You can use packages like these to augment and play a part in that, but I've never seen one that is a true "fire and forget" type system. |
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Pulled up the link. It's 38 cans (6 cases plus 2 cans). That's not a helluva lot of Mt. House for $1200.
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Didn't go to the link but I did notice "lunch dinner entrees" in the cut and paste link you sent. Maybe that's what they meant- six months worth of lunch and dinner entrees? I would use the words "comprehensive" or "complete" if marketing a program that was truly thought out to be EVERYTHING for a certain period of time. IME, most packages are not designed to be "complete" or "comprehensive"- I mean how many come with FATS AND OILS? None I know of or have seen in 31 years of doing this. Problem is people see "six months" and think that means buy this and don't worry about anything else- hence the danger in packages. The only person that can truly design a food storage problem for you is -you guessed it- YOU. You can use packages like these to augment and play a part in that, but I've never seen one that is a true "fire and forget" type system. View Quote |
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It would probably keep you alive for 6months.
Probably more food than some people in Venezuela eat in a 6 month time period. |
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2000 calories? I burn that without physical activity. You add physical activity and I would probably need 4000 calories a day.
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It's survival rations, not a full-blown, regular diet, and probably not intended to be your sole source of nutrition for six months. In a pinch, though, I 'spect you could indeed survive for that long on that many calories.
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Solution: Produce and store real food View Quote |
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It's survival rations, not a full-blown, regular diet, and probably not intended to be your sole source of nutrition for six months. In a pinch, though, I 'spect you could indeed survive for that long on that many calories. That being said: Enhanced. View Quote Took us six years of living on the land and constantly improving the soil before we began to get good results. Food storage is not just for yuppies that don't have land to grow stuff, it's for those of us that do produce a fair amount of food also for those times when things aren't going super well, for WINTER, etc. Food storage and food production- it's never been an either/or situation..... |
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A couple of things on the subject.
First, you're correct that calories per serving, and servings per day are a better indicators than claimed "number of days". Another thing you should look closely at is the macronutrients of the food. The vast majority of freeze dried food "kits" like that are mostly carbs and fat. Very little protein, and of that, it's almost all plant protein. Second, I disagree with the person who said buy real food, kinda. Rotating stored food is pretty challenging for a number of reasons. It requires meticulous tracking of what you have and what you eat. It also assumes that you're willing to buy the correct variety to match what you eat, and that your preferences stay consistent, as well as your consumption rate. Food ends up going bad, or you decide you don't like "beans and weenies" anymore, so you're stuck with 15 #10 cans of it. I've lived that life, and it's huge pain in the ass. Unless you're able to seriously rotate your food, which is much harder than you think, you should buy freeze-dried foods sufficient to meet your goals. 90 Days is what I'd suggest, which is a shitload of money and space. The math is pretty simple, as others have mentioned. I would suggest you use calories and price per calorie to find the best deals. Also, as I mentioned earlier, you'll want to buy freeze dried meats separately. You can buy the large kits to make up 65% of your caloric needs, then augment it with 35% meat, as an example. Here is one example. That is 343,920 calories. For one person to last 90 days on 2000 calories per day, you'd need 180,000 calories. Of that, you'd need 117,000 of non-protein calories, which means this "kit" would feed nearly 3 people for 90 days, with meat augmentation. You'd still need 63,000 calories of protein. This would cover that, for one person. The extra calories would make up for the few thousand you'd be missing from the 340k in the previous kit. All in all, you'd be looking at around $9,099.96 to purchase 3 months of food, for 3 people, that would last for 20+ years in storage. That's honestly pretty reasonable for that level of insurance, and it's buy and forget. Then you just have to figure out where to put it. In any case, my experience and opinion of this is worth precisely what you paid for it. |
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Of course. But anyone who actually has produced a significant amount of food for a decent period of time knows that crap happens- trees stop producing, animals die or don't reproduce so well at certain times, bugs devastate a crop, you have a serious drought, etc. Took us six years of living on the land and constantly improving the soil before we began to get good results. Food storage is not just for yuppies that don't have land to grow stuff, it's for those of us that do produce a fair amount of food also for those times when things aren't going super well, for WINTER, etc. Food storage and food production- it's never been an either/or situation..... View Quote Had we been required to "learn to farm" in order to survive, we'd have starved for the first 3-4 years. |
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We had the same experience. It was really more trial and error on technique and learning what works and what doesn't. Had we been required to "learn to farm" in order to survive, we'd have starved for the first 3-4 years. View Quote This is a huge reality check for the suburbanite that reads a "you can grow all your vegetables in a 4x4 raised bed" advertisement for some douche's book. Growing six tomatoes or having a few fresh veggies for just the growing season is NOT the same as growing enough to eat DURING growing season as well as growing enough to PUT BACK to keep you going till crops come in next year. I call that a "pioneer" food supply. Because that's how the pioneers got started. Even then, they usually brought some food storage with them. Everyone that says they don't need food storage because they A. are great hunters or B. grow enough food in their backyard or C. Both, have not really lived this way. Another "great in theory, poor in reality" internet thing. |
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Of course. But anyone who actually has produced a significant amount of food for a decent period of time knows that crap happens- trees stop producing, animals die or don't reproduce so well at certain times, bugs devastate a crop, you have a serious drought, etc. Took us six years of living on the land and constantly improving the soil before we began to get good results. Food storage is not just for yuppies that don't have land to grow stuff, it's for those of us that do produce a fair amount of food also for those times when things aren't going super well, for WINTER, etc. Food storage and food production- it's never been an either/or situation..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It's survival rations, not a full-blown, regular diet, and probably not intended to be your sole source of nutrition for six months. In a pinch, though, I 'spect you could indeed survive for that long on that many calories. That being said: Enhanced. Took us six years of living on the land and constantly improving the soil before we began to get good results. Food storage is not just for yuppies that don't have land to grow stuff, it's for those of us that do produce a fair amount of food also for those times when things aren't going super well, for WINTER, etc. Food storage and food production- it's never been an either/or situation..... We may or may not have 4 chest freezers full of real food (meat), plus 2 fridge/freezer combos, plus the pantry, plus the root cellar, plus the dry good stored in LTS, which may/may not include 4 barrels of grains and stacks of other stuff. The way I see it, you need to have ideally at least 1 year of emergency food. Should SHTF, I would not want to be out being an easy target working the gardens. The first year should sort out lot. Also, shit happens where you loose an entire crop. I do like to keep a lot of MREs though. As in 2 cows, almost 100 chickens, 2 pigs...... Come fall we would be able to ration our food on hand for about 3 years, longer on a starvation diet. After while, it is no longer about having stocks of stuff on hand, its about living the lifestyle of fresh real whole foods and SEASONAL cooking. The massive storage just goes with that. Up here, you get about 1 month of big harvest, then the rest of the year is winter or still growing. You need a year on hand just to get through! |
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Good thread, you have found the fault in calorie planning. Its a plan for failure even if you have way more calories than you think you will need.
That's why those of us who have been at this awhile plan around meals and whoever picks out servings for food companies must be 4'2" and weighs 80 lbs. You need the mix of food stuffs, the whole Krebs cycle thing, sugar, starch, on up to proteins. Like stated in this thread, the idea is not go on a crash diet in some emergency. I'll take you a step farther, its not time to change your diet at all. Pappy Boyington, the real one, in his book was a Japanese prisoner. He wrote how the Japanese only fed them Miso. Miso is starch. He wrote how the guys who lived on beans and taters so to say did better than the guys who lived on high protein diets. It had more to do with changing diets than how many calories. Anyone who has been on successful diet or has sugar can tell you this. The trick is in the mix and its the entire formula that the send you complete meals diet companies use. Complete freeze dried meals are a good thing. I have many cans and packs and use them all the time on outdoor adventures. They are part of my diet, but my main long term storage foods are not complete meals. Last thing you want to do is some hard time is eat the same crap day in and day out. That's what poor people do that don't have any choice. We have the choice now. My mom could make a hundred meals out of baloney. I know an Indian lady that knew how to make rice a 1,000 different ways. In food planning, don't limit your options. The "This many days" things are a supplement just like a can of corn except corn you can add to a 1,000 things. What I do is plan on three squares, even desert, a day per person. That gives you some buffer. Like now, prepared meals are a part of it but its not the bulk of it. They're a handy tool but not the solution. Tj |
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Yup, you need both. We may or may not have 4 chest freezers full of real food (meat), plus 2 fridge/freezer combos, plus the pantry, plus the root cellar, plus the dry good stored in LTS, which may/may not include 4 barrels of grains and stacks of other stuff. The way I see it, you need to have ideally at least 1 year of emergency food. Should SHTF, I would not want to be out being an easy target working the gardens. The first year should sort out lot. Also, shit happens where you loose an entire crop. I do like to keep a lot of MREs though. As in 2 cows, almost 100 chickens, 2 pigs...... Come fall we would be able to ration our food on hand for about 3 years, longer on a starvation diet. After while, it is no longer about having stocks of stuff on hand, its about living the lifestyle of fresh real whole foods and SEASONAL cooking. The massive storage just goes with that. Up here, you get about 1 month of big harvest, then the rest of the year is winter or still growing. You need a year on hand just to get through! View Quote It's much easier to rotate food and use your own as stores when you're living off it as a primary source. We struggled because we have a family of 5, and rotating through 3 months of store-bought food was difficult-impossible. For your normal working mom/dad raising kids, working full time, barely having time to cook-etc, it makes much more sense to buy and store freeze dried. Then again, as others have said, that's not a long-term solution. We have the ability to produce larger portions of food, but are in what would be considered "maintenance mode" with the fields and livestock. We don't lean on any of it for a primary food source, and it would take months to get a point where anything would produce enough to start living on. |
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Of course. But anyone who actually has produced a significant amount of food for a decent period of time knows that crap happens- trees stop producing, animals die or don't reproduce so well at certain times, bugs devastate a crop, you have a serious drought, etc. Took us six years of living on the land and constantly improving the soil before we began to get good results. Food storage is not just for yuppies that don't have land to grow stuff, it's for those of us that do produce a fair amount of food also for those times when things aren't going super well, for WINTER, etc. Food storage and food production- it's never been an either/or situation..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It's survival rations, not a full-blown, regular diet, and probably not intended to be your sole source of nutrition for six months. In a pinch, though, I 'spect you could indeed survive for that long on that many calories. That being said: Enhanced. Took us six years of living on the land and constantly improving the soil before we began to get good results. Food storage is not just for yuppies that don't have land to grow stuff, it's for those of us that do produce a fair amount of food also for those times when things aren't going super well, for WINTER, etc. Food storage and food production- it's never been an either/or situation..... I've been working on it for over fifteen years, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sure we wouldn't starve if completely left to our own devices. It is an eye-opening lifestyle. I do wish more people would take an interest, though. I think many of our problems today come from a slow degeneration of our instincts, and the skills, to be able to provide for ourselves. We've become almost 100% interdependent upon each other, society and government... to the detriment of us all. It is shocking how many people don't have the first clue of how to feed themselves without a grocery store or fast-food joint. |
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No argument from me; that's why I said "enhanced" rather than "fixed". I've been working on it for over fifteen years, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sure we wouldn't starve if completely left to our own devices. It is an eye-opening lifestyle. I do wish more people would take an interest, though. I think many of our problems today come from a slow degeneration of our instincts, and the skills, to be able to provide for ourselves. We've become almost 100% interdependent upon each other, society and government... to the detriment of us all. It is shocking how many people don't have the first clue of how to feed themselves without a grocery store or fast-food joint. View Quote |
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I don't see anything in that "Deal" that can't be bought as ingredients and stored for a whole lot less than $1200 and a lot less salt.
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Chickens, raised bed gardens, small fodder system, small hydroponic microgreens system and ammo fort of mountain house I can last awhile on my own ,1/4 acre city lot.
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Clicked ad, looked at nutrition label on the nutrition and ingredients tab. Your math is what you want it to be, not what they used.
The clue you should have used when running numbers is it tells you the number of servings RIGHT above where it gave the total number of calories. |
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