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Posted: 2/4/2017 10:25:20 AM EDT
I have a heavy, thick brunton 5 watt solar panel in my GHB. I would like to upgrade to something in the 12 to 15 watt range. It has to fold so it fits flat in my pack. I also need a USB port.
I am looking at the folding powerfilm, but I would like to go less expensive if there are quality alternatives. Light weight is important. ETA: I also carry a 12,000 Mah battery. The USB must be able to charge faster than 1 amp. |
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I have two of these. They are constantly making promotions where the price goes to less than $200.
https://www.goenerplex.com/products/portable-foldable-flexible-solar-panels/flexible-portable-solar-panel-commandr-20 I use them to charge this. https://www.goenerplex.com/products/portable-power-solar-generators-power-packs/portable-power-supply-generatr-100-power-pack |
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Go with the Powerfilm. You get what you pay for, and we know that Powerfilms work well. Go cheaper and you'll end up with some cheapo Chinese knockoff. This looks to be close to what you're looking for, though I'm not sure about the >1A charging:
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This one promises 2.1 amps from the USB port at full sun. 12.5 oz ANKER 15 watt folding panel View Quote Unless you're into ultra-light backpacking through the mountains, that would be sufficient. I was reading up on the Anker PowerPort 21w solar charger and it seemed that the 15w jobbie got better marks. Something about no restart function at the higher output. You're charging along at 2A and a rain cloud passes for a minute. Your charging rate drops down to 500mA, as one would expect. After the cloud passes, the sun is back out in full force and you're off doing other things. You come back expecting to see 2A again (on your USB volt/ammeter) and the panel is only outputting that low 500mA. What you need to do is unplug your device and plug it back in, to reset the output current. Auto restart is how some of them label it, but it's not just that, you need the panel's controller to restart at full output, not the last, reduced rate. Just something to keep in mind when doing your research. BlitzWolf is another in that 20w class. Chris |
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Go with the Powerfilm. You get what you pay for, and we know that Powerfilms work well. Go cheaper and you'll end up with some cheapo Chinese knockoff. This looks to be close to what you're looking for, though I'm not sure about the >1A charging: PowerFilm F12 View Quote They only have 1 amp charging. I was going that direction. |
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Unless you're into ultra-light backpacking through the mountains, that would be sufficient. I was reading up on the Anker PowerPort 21w solar charger and it seemed that the 15w jobbie got better marks. Something about no restart function at the higher output. You're charging along at 2A and a rain cloud passes for a minute. Your charging rate drops down to 500mA, as one would expect. After the cloud passes, the sun is back out in full force and you're off doing other things. You come back expecting to see 2A again (on your USB volt/ammeter) and the panel is only outputting that low 500mA. What you need to do is unplug your device and plug it back in, to reset the output current. Auto restart is how some of them label it, but it's not just that, you need the panel's controller to restart at full output, not the last, reduced rate. Just something to keep in mind when doing your research. BlitzWolf is another in that 20w class. Chris View Quote So, does this 15 watt panel restart at the higher watts? If it does its an obvious choice. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. |
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So, does this 15 watt panel restart at the higher watts? If it does its an obvious choice. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Unless you're into ultra-light backpacking through the mountains, that would be sufficient. I was reading up on the Anker PowerPort 21w solar charger and it seemed that the 15w jobbie got better marks. Something about no restart function at the higher output. You're charging along at 2A and a rain cloud passes for a minute. Your charging rate drops down to 500mA, as one would expect. After the cloud passes, the sun is back out in full force and you're off doing other things. You come back expecting to see 2A again (on your USB volt/ammeter) and the panel is only outputting that low 500mA. What you need to do is unplug your device and plug it back in, to reset the output current. Auto restart is how some of them label it, but it's not just that, you need the panel's controller to restart at full output, not the last, reduced rate. Just something to keep in mind when doing your research. BlitzWolf is another in that 20w class. Chris So, does this 15 watt panel restart at the higher watts? If it does its an obvious choice. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Bat, I believe it does, but I was only casually reading at the time. You should investigate that part, as it can be important. I need to bring my SunKingdom 14w jobbie to my GF's place, where her balcony gets good sun and fiddle with that, as when I got it, I just assumed that it would revert back to full charge after a cloud passed by. The easy solution is to just unplug it and start charging the device again, although that's not ideal if you're away doing other things. Chris |
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Look into the www.suntactics.com panels. The larger solar panels have 2 usb ports one Manual and one Automatics, which resets if the current drops due to cloud coverage or what-not.... It will automatically reset itself and continue charging. Apple devices are notorious for disconnecting if full current isn't provided.
I just received the s14 and so far I'm pretty happy. The quality is awesome and the reviews on youtube seem to be of the older versions. The one I got has a very wide and thick band connecting the 2 panels at the hinge and it looks very durable. Awesome quality and the output is impressive. They have a video on their website comparing it to the Anker and it's worth a look. Just my .02 |
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Bat, I believe it does, but I was only casually reading at the time. You should investigate that part, as it can be important. I need to bring my SunKingdom 14w jobbie to my GF's place, where her balcony gets good sun and fiddle with that, as when I got it, I just assumed that it would revert back to full charge after a cloud passed by. The easy solution is to just unplug it and start charging the device again, although that's not ideal if you're away doing other things. Chris View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Unless you're into ultra-light backpacking through the mountains, that would be sufficient. I was reading up on the Anker PowerPort 21w solar charger and it seemed that the 15w jobbie got better marks. Something about no restart function at the higher output. You're charging along at 2A and a rain cloud passes for a minute. Your charging rate drops down to 500mA, as one would expect. After the cloud passes, the sun is back out in full force and you're off doing other things. You come back expecting to see 2A again (on your USB volt/ammeter) and the panel is only outputting that low 500mA. What you need to do is unplug your device and plug it back in, to reset the output current. Auto restart is how some of them label it, but it's not just that, you need the panel's controller to restart at full output, not the last, reduced rate. Just something to keep in mind when doing your research. BlitzWolf is another in that 20w class. Chris So, does this 15 watt panel restart at the higher watts? If it does its an obvious choice. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Bat, I believe it does, but I was only casually reading at the time. You should investigate that part, as it can be important. I need to bring my SunKingdom 14w jobbie to my GF's place, where her balcony gets good sun and fiddle with that, as when I got it, I just assumed that it would revert back to full charge after a cloud passed by. The easy solution is to just unplug it and start charging the device again, although that's not ideal if you're away doing other things. Chris Neither of them will bump back up to full power after dropping down. I'll have to remember this and unplug a device to reset after a cloudy spell. |
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They only have 1 amp charging. I was going that direction. View Quote I may be mistaken but the way I read it is that the little usb 12v adaptor has a 1a limit, not the panel. Can you just upgrade to a better adaptor and get what you need? I'm not recommending this one, just using it as an example. https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Charger-Adapter-Cigarette-Charging/dp/B01CL3JJT6/ref=pd_sim_107_6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=C7N2XSF3GGN4PTD7RG48 |
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The Anker one is good, the other one I like is the ALLPOWERs series.. Here is the the 15W version.
The Ankers are 5V only output (USB) but the Allpowers have the option to tap the panel directly which is useful if you want to power a DC-DC converter (18V in, 12V out) or directly charge 12V batteries. I've found the little panels (10W and under) are virtually useless if you actually want to charge something. With the size you've mentioned you can realistically charge a phone or whatever during a short break, and then pack and go, so good choice on the wattage on your part. |
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The Anker one is good, the other one I like is the ALLPOWERs series.. Here is the the 15W version. The Ankers are 5V only output (USB) but the Allpowers have the option to tap the panel directly which is useful if you want to power a DC-DC converter (18V in, 12V out) or directly charge 12V batteries. I've found the little panels (10W and under) are virtually useless if you actually want to charge something. With the size you've mentioned you can realistically charge a phone or whatever during a short break, and then pack and go, so good choice on the wattage on your part. View Quote I think my 5 watt panel is only really useable if it's pretty much stationary in full sun. That is utterly incompatible with the idea of bugging home. The higher watts panels can charge during short breaks and in the heat of the mid day when travel might not be a good idea. I can use my 5 watt panel to change small batteries for charging stuff later in the day. |
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Neither of them will bump back up to full power after dropping down. I'll have to remember this and unplug a device to reset after a cloudy spell. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Unless you're into ultra-light backpacking through the mountains, that would be sufficient. I was reading up on the Anker PowerPort 21w solar charger and it seemed that the 15w jobbie got better marks. Something about no restart function at the higher output. You're charging along at 2A and a rain cloud passes for a minute. Your charging rate drops down to 500mA, as one would expect. After the cloud passes, the sun is back out in full force and you're off doing other things. You come back expecting to see 2A again (on your USB volt/ammeter) and the panel is only outputting that low 500mA. What you need to do is unplug your device and plug it back in, to reset the output current. Auto restart is how some of them label it, but it's not just that, you need the panel's controller to restart at full output, not the last, reduced rate. Just something to keep in mind when doing your research. BlitzWolf is another in that 20w class. Chris So, does this 15 watt panel restart at the higher watts? If it does its an obvious choice. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Bat, I believe it does, but I was only casually reading at the time. You should investigate that part, as it can be important. I need to bring my SunKingdom 14w jobbie to my GF's place, where her balcony gets good sun and fiddle with that, as when I got it, I just assumed that it would revert back to full charge after a cloud passed by. The easy solution is to just unplug it and start charging the device again, although that's not ideal if you're away doing other things. Chris Neither of them will bump back up to full power after dropping down. I'll have to remember this and unplug a device to reset after a cloudy spell. OK. Wasn't sure and it was six months, or so, back. I guess we have to ask ourselves what's the typical use for these panels? If it's the end of the world, no more power companies, then maybe there are better options out there? If you're going out to the lake and you have no spare batteries, then these smaller, inexpensive USB panels can be fine. Furthermore, if you're at the lake and clouds are constantly rolling through, then a charged up power bank might be the better play. I got my SKD 14w back in 2015, just as they started becoming ubiquitous and I needed to keep my costs down, so at $40 shipped, it's what I went with. There are no doubt better USB folders out there, but money does come into play for some of us. Just a caveat on any folding panel. Even the Big Boys: Brunton, Goal Zero, PowerFilm and Global Solar only offer either a 2 year, or at best...3 year warranty. This is because the thin wires running between panel segments and within the 'folds' are fragile and will eventually break, rendering the folding panel either completely useless, or partially useful, so don't sit there on the couch opening and closing whatever folder you buy, while watching reruns of Honey Boo Boo. Just the nature of the beast. I have my portable 12vdc 60w system and 12vdc chargers and I felt that going USB 5vdc would be practical for my limited needs. Wouldn't you know it? No hurricanes hitting Miami for 12 years! Chris |
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I used my hotel points to get a gift card that covered all but $14 of the $64 with tax for the 21W panel. 4.4 stars with over 600 reviews is pretty good.
I don't need anything fancier. All my stuff is usb charged. It will keep me in light and electronics for months if needed. |
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OK. Wasn't sure and it was six months, or so, back. I guess we have to ask ourselves what's the typical use for these panels? If it's the end of the world, no more power companies, then maybe there are better options out there? If you're going out to the lake and you have no spare batteries, then these smaller, inexpensive USB panels can be fine. Furthermore, if you're at the lake and clouds are constantly rolling through, then a charged up power bank might be the better play. I got my SKD 14w back in 2015, just as they started becoming ubiquitous and I needed to keep my costs down, so at $40 shipped, it's what I went with. There are no doubt better USB folders out there, but money does come into play for some of us. Just a caveat on any folding panel. Even the Big Boys: Brunton, Goal Zero, PowerFilm and Global Solar only offer either a 2 year, or at best...3 year warranty. This is because the thin wires running between panel segments and within the 'folds' are fragile and will eventually break, rendering the folding panel either completely useless, or partially useful, so don't sit there on the couch opening and closing whatever folder you buy, while watching reruns of Honey Boo Boo. Just the nature of the beast. I have my portable 12vdc 60w system and 12vdc chargers and I felt that going USB 5vdc would be practical for my limited needs. Wouldn't you know it? No hurricanes hitting Miami for 12 years! Chris View Quote This panel will ride in my back pack as I travel. I'll be sure to protect it the best I can. I have two sets of harbor freight panels I bought years ago and wired up together to charge a deep cycle battery. I really don't know how affective they really are. I've only charged a few things with them. |
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I used my hotel points to get a gift card that covered all but $14 of the $64 with tax for the 21W panel. 4.4 stars with over 600 reviews is pretty good. I don't need anything fancier. All my stuff is usb charged. It will keep me in light and electronics for months if needed. View Quote Cool. Keep us all posted, as you're another data point. Chris |
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Look into the www.suntactics.com panels. The larger solar panels have 2 usb ports one Manual and one Automatics, which resets if the current drops due to cloud coverage or what-not.... It will automatically reset itself and continue charging. Apple devices are notorious for disconnecting if full current isn't provided. I just received the s14 and so far I'm pretty happy. The quality is awesome and the reviews on youtube seem to be of the older versions. The one I got has a very wide and thick band connecting the 2 panels at the hinge and it looks very durable. Awesome quality and the output is impressive. They have a video on their website comparing it to the Anker and it's worth a look. Just my .02 View Quote Suntactics S-Charger 14 Suntactics are by far the best portable solar charges I've used. Their "auto-retry" is designed specifically for interruptions in charging and it really works well, especially if you have a camp and leave it unattended for a while. These don't look cool, but they are extremely robust and the folding design really protects the solar cells and their solar efficiency is at the high end for portable solar panels. With a quality USB cord and solid sun exposure I've seen close to the maximum of 2800mAh charging capacity...that's pretty darn good even if for a couple hours and will provide solid charging capacity. ROCK6 |
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https://www.amazon.com/Instapark-Mercury27-Portable-Foldable-Battery/dp/B00EVFEBKU
Site wouldn't let me post links oniPhone Instapark 27 watt folding panel? Santa brought me one. |
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https://www.amazon.com/Instapark-Mercury27-Portable-Foldable-Battery/dp/B00EVFEBKU Site wouldn't let me post links oniPhone Instapark 27 watt folding panel? Santa brought me one. View Quote These are good! I have two along with various accessorizes and small battery chargers to go with. |
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These are good! I have two along with various accessorizes and small battery chargers to go with. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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https://www.amazon.com/Instapark-Mercury27-Portable-Foldable-Battery/dp/B00EVFEBKU Site wouldn't let me post links oniPhone Instapark 27 watt folding panel? Santa brought me one. These are good! I have two along with various accessorizes and small battery chargers to go with. That one looks great but it's huge and heavy. The one I bought is only 14 oz. It puts out enough juice to fast charge a phone or battery pack. It should run my USB AA charger and charge my lights. It will do it at a weight that's reasonable for living in my pack that I carry every day. |
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I have a powerfilm 20 watt. I keep some tent stakes with it for windy days.
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Does it have usb and what is the max charge rate at 5v. View Quote It's a 12vdc panel that has a panel open voltage of 15.4w at 1.2A which closer to 18.5w. You're at that level where using a 12vdc digital controller is almost necessary. Underload, you might get it down closer to 12vdc, but some electronics might balk at that ~15v. It has a female 12vdc accessory adapter, which will allow you to use one of those USB car adapters in it. I would think that you'd get your 2.1A/2.4A out of that, at the 5v USB spec. F16-1200 is probably the folding model. PowerFilm F16-1200 folding 12vdc panel. They're about $280-$300 on Ebay. Good panel, but spendy. Chris |
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I spent $12 for an inline meter to detect the voltage and amps of the panel as I use it. That will tell me how the panels are doing. I can use it on my 5 watt panels as well to see how effective they can be.
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It's a 12vdc panel that has a panel open voltage of 15.4w at 1.2A which closer to 18.5w. You're at that level where using a 12vdc digital controller is almost necessary. Underload, you might get it down closer to 12vdc, but some electronics might balk at that ~15v. It has a female 12vdc accessory adapter, which will allow you to use one of those USB car adapters in it. I would think that you'd get your 2.1A/2.4A out of that, at the 5v USB spec. F16-1200 is probably the folding model. PowerFilm F16-1200 folding 12vdc panel. They're about $280-$300 on Ebay. Good panel, but spendy. Chris View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Does it have usb and what is the max charge rate at 5v. It's a 12vdc panel that has a panel open voltage of 15.4w at 1.2A which closer to 18.5w. You're at that level where using a 12vdc digital controller is almost necessary. Underload, you might get it down closer to 12vdc, but some electronics might balk at that ~15v. It has a female 12vdc accessory adapter, which will allow you to use one of those USB car adapters in it. I would think that you'd get your 2.1A/2.4A out of that, at the 5v USB spec. F16-1200 is probably the folding model. PowerFilm F16-1200 folding 12vdc panel. They're about $280-$300 on Ebay. Good panel, but spendy. Chris On youtube they seem to be confused with the difference between what something draws and how much the panel can provide. |
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On youtube they seem to be confused with the difference between what something draws and how much the panel can provide. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Does it have usb and what is the max charge rate at 5v. It's a 12vdc panel that has a panel open voltage of 15.4w at 1.2A which closer to 18.5w. You're at that level where using a 12vdc digital controller is almost necessary. Underload, you might get it down closer to 12vdc, but some electronics might balk at that ~15v. It has a female 12vdc accessory adapter, which will allow you to use one of those USB car adapters in it. I would think that you'd get your 2.1A/2.4A out of that, at the 5v USB spec. F16-1200 is probably the folding model. PowerFilm F16-1200 folding 12vdc panel. They're about $280-$300 on Ebay. Good panel, but spendy. Chris On youtube they seem to be confused with the difference between what something draws and how much the panel can provide. You're a flashlight and li-ion user, so you understand that inflated numbers are pretty much the norm and when we actually find a cell, or flashlight, that hits its claimed number, or is even in the same solar system as the claim, we rejoice. Panels are like that. The good ones are rated in laboratory conditions, with wide spectrum lighting as a rule, to closely mimic noon sunlight and not at the poles, but at the equator, to derive better numbers. For most of us slobs, we won't get close. Solar panels are much like fish tanks, buy the biggest one that you can afford. Finally, electrons aren't pushed by a source and technically, they aren't pulled by a load, but much like water, they flow in a pathway of least resistance. One always wants the power source to be rated higher than any load it will see, so as not to be taxed, overheat and possibly catch fire. Power, in watts, equals current times voltage! Chris |
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I've got a couple PowerFilm 30w folding units. (they're ACU digital)
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I've got a couple PowerFilm 30w folding units. (they're ACU digital) F16-1800 is the model number I believe. I also have a daisy chain that will link them together. View Quote Can I borrow a dollar? Those are nice, probably the best way to go if you're into 12v stuff and have the scratch. I looked hard at the F16-1800 4+ years back while putting my system together and just found that my two 30w rigid panels stretched my dollars farther and went that route. Should I win the PowerBall, I'd get their 60w jobbie and be done with it, lol. Chris |
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My phone made it up to 1.5 amps in full sun with the battery at 50%. I didn't have time to compare that with a standard charger yet. 5.05 to 5.09 v
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My phone made it up to 1.5 amps in full sun with the battery at 50%. I didn't have time to compare that with a standard charger yet. 5.5 to 5.9 v View Quote That's not too bad, depending on where the CC/CV plot is along the charging cycle. Had you been at the lower end of the SOC 'state of charge' scale, you might have seen a higher current number. I have an Opus BT-3400 v. 2.2 li-ion/NiMH analyzing charger and I'm always looking at the numbers and I can watch the charge current for all four independent channels and watch the charge start out at the desired charge rate. At a certain point, the charge current begins to taper off until it gets down to something like a 30mA rate, at which time the charge terminates. This necessarily coincides with a rise in voltage, as the batteries/cells approach their designed capacities. As we're fond of saying...it all depends. Chris |
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That's not too bad, depending on where the CC/CV plot is along the charging cycle. Had you been at the lower end of the SOC 'state of charge' scale, you might have seen a higher current number. I have an Opus BT-3400 v. 2.2 li-ion/NiMH analyzing charger and I'm always looking at the numbers and I can watch the charge current for all four independent channels and watch the charge start out at the desired charge rate. At a certain point, the charge current begins to taper off until it gets down to something like a 30mA rate, at which time the charge terminates. This necessarily coincides with a rise in voltage, as the batteries/cells approach their designed capacities. As we're fond of saying...it all depends. Chris View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My phone made it up to 1.5 amps in full sun with the battery at 50%. I didn't have time to compare that with a standard charger yet. 5.5 to 5.9 v That's not too bad, depending on where the CC/CV plot is along the charging cycle. Had you been at the lower end of the SOC 'state of charge' scale, you might have seen a higher current number. I have an Opus BT-3400 v. 2.2 li-ion/NiMH analyzing charger and I'm always looking at the numbers and I can watch the charge current for all four independent channels and watch the charge start out at the desired charge rate. At a certain point, the charge current begins to taper off until it gets down to something like a 30mA rate, at which time the charge terminates. This necessarily coincides with a rise in voltage, as the batteries/cells approach their designed capacities. As we're fond of saying...it all depends. Chris I had to edit my voltage numbers. The panel was 5.05 to 5.09v and 1.5 amps jumping to 1.7 amps. The wall charger is running 5.43v and 1.5 to 1.7 amps and then it dropped to 1.1 amps. |
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I had to edit my voltage numbers. The panel was 5.05 to 5.09v and 1.5 amps jumping to 1.7 amps. The wall charger is running 5.43v and 1.5 to 1.7 amps and then it dropped to 1.1 amps. View Quote That's typical of the panels and even the wall wart. As the current demand increases, the voltage of the panel will drop and as the current decreases at the end of charge, the voltage will rebound. My 12w Apple OEM brick puts out about 5.25v without a load, but that will drop once a load is applied, so that's normal to see a drop. And we can't expect a 5vdc solar panel to put out the same voltage that a 120v AC>DC wall wart is capable of. Plus, the Chinese are always fudging their numbers. Chris |
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The Anker one is good, the other one I like is the ALLPOWERs series.. Here is the the 15W version. The Ankers are 5V only output (USB) but the Allpowers have the option to tap the panel directly which is useful if you want to power a DC-DC converter (18V in, 12V out) or directly charge 12V batteries. I've found the little panels (10W and under) are virtually useless if you actually want to charge something. With the size you've mentioned you can realistically charge a phone or whatever during a short break, and then pack and go, so good choice on the wattage on your part. View Quote I went with Allpowers 80W. Very nice, a bit heavy. $180 was good bang, er watts, for the buck. |
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