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Excellent writeup, very informative. Thanks for typing that all out for us.
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Interesting. I used 650kwh in December, you use a bunch o power.
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Great review and nice installation!
Thanks ETA ---That tree needed to come out soon, IMO... |
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My wife wants to do this.
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Paul I'd be very interested in the inverter/charger setup you have for the UPS. Solaredge DC optimizers and grid-tie inverter here, so possibly a similar approach as you if I added a UPS system. I'd like the ability to tie in a generator as well for additional capacity with the grid down. I'd appreciate any details you feel comfortable providing on your system.
My plan for the future has been a forklift battery and an inverter/charger, but I wasn't 100% on the "off label" approach to convincing the panels to turn on. Edit: I've looked at the Magnum Power solution, figured I'd be able to power all house loads except the A/C, possibly using a standalone unit or a couple window units to keep the first floor cool. Generator+solar would let me run one house AC unit if needed. |
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Quoted: I used about 12% more power in 2015 than I did 12 years ago. [...] The panels are 280 watt so that means about 18 panels. [...] Finally the 18 two hundred and eighty watt panels and 18 microinverters were mounted. [...] View Quote |
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Paul, from your calculations you estimated that you would need 18 panels to meet your current usage, and then you had them install 18. Did you think about having them install a couple extra while they were already there just so you could get ahead of future increases in your power usage? Would it be cheap enough to do it in the future even when the federal tax credit expires? View Quote I did did price a 20 and 22 panel systems. The bitch here is that the power company is in the business in selling power ... but not buying it meaning any extra panels installed would go to waste as the local company won't buy it from me. There are a couple bills before the CA legislature one pro, and one con for solar panel owners. The one pro bill is to have the power companies statewide be mandated to buy surplus power from residential providers. The one bad bill would have solar system owners pay $15 a month in a minimum charge for grid access - there's a 20 year grandfather provision in the bill currently but until it passes you can never be sure. I'll let the system fly for few more months before looking at adding more panels. The company said that additional panels would be about $1000 each installed and there's room for five more without too much effort. |
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My wife wants to do this. How does the structure attach to the roof? View Quote The key is we put lags into trusses/rafters and make sure that the flashing is properly lined up. If done well, it actually strengthens the roof and is probably more waterproof than any other roof penetration you have. There's a video on this company's website that shows some of what goes on with tile roofs and solar. Tile roofing is definitely more of a PITA for us to install on than a composite shingle roof. A lot of us spec Quickmount flashing for our installs. Permitting departments are very concerned about roof integrity after the install and require a lot of details in the permit submittals about what products will be used. As I like to tell my students, it's not rocket science. Paul... Inverters are pretty frequency sensitive. A requirement of UL 1741. They probably won't come on if you trying to fool them with the generators. Every time a load switches on/off, you'd see an output shift on the generator... so would the microinverters. The UPS may work. It depends how clean the inverter phase is... I've seen some pretty crappy 60Hz out of UPS systems. You'd probably be better off AC coupling with an off-grid inverter sometime down the road. |
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Paul... Inverters are pretty frequency sensitive. A requirement of UL 1741. They probably won't come on if you trying to fool them with the generators. Every time a load switches on/off, you'd see an output shift on the generator... so would the microinverters. The UPS may work. It depends how clean the inverter phase is... I've seen some pretty crappy 60Hz out of UPS systems. You'd probably be better off AC coupling with an off-grid inverter sometime down the road. View Quote Thanks. We haven't gotten to the point where I start hacking the system. |
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Paul... Inverters are pretty frequency sensitive. A requirement of UL 1741. They probably won't come on if you trying to fool them with the generators. Every time a load switches on/off, you'd see an output shift on the generator... so would the microinverters. The UPS may work. It depends how clean the inverter phase is... I've seen some pretty crappy 60Hz out of UPS systems. You'd probably be better off AC coupling with an off-grid inverter sometime down the road. Thanks. We haven't gotten to the point where I start hacking the system. Not that I've ever tried to fool a grid-tied inverter [cough cough], but some of the inverter based generators put out pretty clean AC, even during a significant load change. The issue comes when the loads are a lot less than the power being generated. The solar system will try to backfeed the generator. That could get expensive depending upon how the generator output changes when loads drop off-line. If the generator voltage climbs, it may be enough to trigger a shutdown of the inverter(s). But I'm not sure I'd want to risk the health of my generator on that. In any case, if I were inclined to experiment I'd make sure that the generator was at least as large as the inverter(s) nameplate output. And I'd make sure my minimum load was at least 80% of the same. Not that I would ever advocate trying to fool a grid-tied inverter. But I won't tell if you don't.... |
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We are meeting with the solar company this evening about installing the system into the house we are building.
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Not that I've ever tried to fool a grid-tied inverter [cough cough], but some of the inverter based generators put out pretty clean AC, even during a significant load change. The issue comes when the loads are a lot less than the power being generated. The solar system will try to backfeed the generator. That could get expensive depending upon how the generator output changes when loads drop off-line. If the generator voltage climbs, it may be enough to trigger a shutdown of the inverter(s). But I'm not sure I'd want to risk the health of my generator on that. In any case, if I were inclined to experiment I'd make sure that the generator was at least as large as the inverter(s) nameplate output. And I'd make sure my minimum load was at least 80% of the same. Not that I would ever advocate trying to fool a grid-tied inverter. But I won't tell if you don't.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Paul... Inverters are pretty frequency sensitive. A requirement of UL 1741. They probably won't come on if you trying to fool them with the generators. Every time a load switches on/off, you'd see an output shift on the generator... so would the microinverters. The UPS may work. It depends how clean the inverter phase is... I've seen some pretty crappy 60Hz out of UPS systems. You'd probably be better off AC coupling with an off-grid inverter sometime down the road. Thanks. We haven't gotten to the point where I start hacking the system. Not that I've ever tried to fool a grid-tied inverter [cough cough], but some of the inverter based generators put out pretty clean AC, even during a significant load change. The issue comes when the loads are a lot less than the power being generated. The solar system will try to backfeed the generator. That could get expensive depending upon how the generator output changes when loads drop off-line. If the generator voltage climbs, it may be enough to trigger a shutdown of the inverter(s). But I'm not sure I'd want to risk the health of my generator on that. In any case, if I were inclined to experiment I'd make sure that the generator was at least as large as the inverter(s) nameplate output. And I'd make sure my minimum load was at least 80% of the same. Not that I would ever advocate trying to fool a grid-tied inverter. But I won't tell if you don't.... Question for you. My Outback inverters work in both grid tied and backup mode. I assume they do this by load matching demand in backup mode but put out 100% when pushing to the grid? Second question, strictly grid tied inverters do not need batteries to operate. As I understand it the dual grid/backup inverts must have a substantial battery bank hooked up to smooth out the DC load ripple. Can you explain how the two inverters differ electronically? I wish I had a nice block diagram to compare these two inverter types. |
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Thanks dog for the explanation.
When I first decided to instal solar I considered the micro inverter panels but quickly decided against them once the problem of backup power was realized. Then came the choice of type and size of the battery stack needed to allow the inverters to push full output to the grid. I quickly found a lot of opinions were you need a lot of battery capacity to equalize the ripple current link1 link2associated with pushing grid power. After discussion with the Outback rep I went with the Outback AGM batteries. They are working nicely and even in the July heat with full sun on the panels the batteries stayed at room temp (~80F). Hopefully I can get 10 years out of them. |
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Thanks dog for the explanation. When I first decided to instal solar I considered the micro inverter panels but quickly decided against them once the problem of backup power was realized. Then came the choice of type and size of the battery stack needed to allow the inverters to push full output to the grid. I quickly found a lot of opinions were you need a lot of battery capacity to equalize the ripple current link1 link2associated with pushing grid power. After discussion with the Outback rep I went with the Outback AGM batteries. They are working nicely and even in the July heat with full sun on the panels the batteries stayed at room temp (~80F). Hopefully I can get 10 years out of them. View Quote There is some good information and some not so good information in those links. Looks to me like only one person was talking about AC ripple. And I remember that guy. I stopped following that forum some years ago because of several arm-chair solar pros and a really bad shipping experience by the company who hosts it. The information on the Outback forum will always be of higher quality. Now the idea that a battery bank would be discharged quickly, recharged, then discharged again in a repeating cycle because the bank is "too small" is not the definition of ripple.... It's poor design. That a big battery bank is more immune to ripple than a small one only occurs when the battery bank is woefully undersized for the charging capacity. Your bank is not more susceptible to ripple than a battery bank twice its size. It's like a guy trying to fill a pool from a bucket. House size or Olympic size it doesn't really matter. No effect. One of those plastic kiddie pools is another story. But the assumption that a 4kW inverter will always operate at full power means there was another design issue. Someone undersized their system. Someone panned the idea of load analysis earlier. And that's simply a bad idea. Guessing on an off-grid system is a wonderful to either spend way too much money or sit around in the dark a lot. It's gotten to the point that I won't take work for an off-grid system without at least a list of loads. And in most cases where I turned them down and they've designed it themselves, they've come back for help (either to me or a colleague). When it comes to strings of batteries, I do try to minimize the number of parallel strings. Proper charging becomes problematic since more parallel strings makes it tough to balance all the impedances., It leads to early failure in one of the strings... which only drags down the rest of them. In an engineered solution like you have, I'm less concerned about three strings. But in a battery bank assembled on-site using OTS components, I never design with more than two strings. And I really prefer one long string of 2V cells over multiple strings of higher voltage cells. I absolutely refuse to design a system with 4 or more parallel strings. Good job on controlling the bank temperature. Between that and high average state of charge, 10 years could be very feasible. I'm on 5 years for my solar charged RV batteries, and they don't get nearly the love you're giving yours. But every once in a while, give your batteries a workout. Batteries that don't occasionally go through a 25% discharge get fat, dumb and lazy. Cheers, B |
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We met with the solar guy yesterday evening. A few take aways.
When we designed the house, we thought that we designed a large enough space on the roof to fit the solar panels. We were wrong. Each panel is roughly 18 square feet. We can only fit about 20 panels facing south, and the rest will need to go west. We need 35 panels. I figured we would be seeing the lowest bill in the winter... we were wrong, our lowest bill will be from mid march to October. With us going electric heat vs. Natural gas, combined with the amount, or lack thereof, in the winter... we won't be able to produce what we use. Because of the price, we are signing away our renewable energy credits to the solar company. Currently, ERCOT doesn't allow them to be sold outside of the state so this right now doesn't matter. And frankly, I had no idea what a REC was until last night. So I don't think this bothers me as much. We will be getting 20% installation because it is a new home build, and they will be able to come in a pre wire making it much less difficult on their part. The idea of being able to produce energy when the grid is down is out the window. When the grid is down, so are we. Obvious safety reasons. There are some advantages I never thought about with the Panels, for example: What ever part the of the house is one will be about 5 degree's cooler than the rest of the house during mid day due to the panels providing shade to the roof. That will come in hand in Texas, but right now the panels will be over the garage, Which won't be cooled with AC. It would be nice if it were right over the living room. Price is a little cheaper than we anticipated. We were quoted $25,000, but it is looking like it will be closer to $22,000. Combine that with a 30% tax credit and a $1,000 incentive check from the power company, Net cost will be about $14,500. So our initial ROI would take about 10 years give or take. Right now, my wife is 50/50 and I am about 75/25 for it. instead of looking at is as free energy (nothings free), look at is as looking in your rate at about .05 cents vs .11 cents that it is currently and rising every year. |
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I'm running into a similar issue on for the solar panels & micro-inverters (MI). When I was sold the system, the sales person was made aware of an existing backup generator that was previously installed. I was told that the system designer would take that into account and that the solar panels would generate power as long as the sun was out.
When they came out to do the wiring, the electrician brought to my attention that the MI's need to have power from the Utility to produce power (controls and self islanding so that it doesn't back feed the utility for safety reasons). If the generator is running, the MI's would sense that and backfeed the generator and cause damage to the generator. They also touted the Tesla Powerwall which is not in production yet. From what I can see it looks like they need to be wired directly to the panels before the MI's. Does anyone know of a way to create a hybrid system without running two systems in parallel (Generator and Solar)? |
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Quoted:We need 35 panels. View Quote OMG ... well pump, swimming pool pump, and five teenagers? I have 2300 sq.ft. 1985 home that has only fair insulation and 18 panels is perfect. My bill from yesterday where it hit just 85 degrees ... 400 watts worth of power I had to buy which is less than a nickle's worth. In the last 30 days I've generated about 920 KW or bit more than 30 KW per day. |
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Quoted:Does anyone know of a way to create a hybrid system without running two systems in parallel (Generator and Solar)? View Quote My little 14KW UPS will do that. 1. Pull the main breaker from the panel and "red tag" lock it out. 2. Connect the UPS 5KW inverter into the AC of the building. 3. The solar panels will sense the inverter and fire up. 4. The solar panels 4KW will feed the AC to DC power supplies back feeding the UPS. -- I haven't tried this yet. An earlier post stated that the micro-inverters were frequency sensitive. I have an oscilloscope and a frequency counter so I can run test. I have a big bulky 5 KW inverter and a tiny 400 watt pure sine wave to play with. If in the last 15 years we had lost power for more than the two times for less than two hours combined time I'd be more aggressive with the testing. My city has there own series of generators separate of the CA grid. They can connect into the grid and buy power or generate their own price depending. |
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Nice solar system you got there.
Regarding your plan for grid down. You may want to do a little more research. A while back I looked into it and found that simply firing up a quality 60hz pure sine wave generator to trick the micro inverters to turn on isn't the whole piece of the puzzle... something about the micro inverters feeding all that AC back to the generator with nowhere to go can cause problems. The solution was something they were calling "AC Coupling" but it was in its infancy (this was several years ago so maybe there are solutions available now). Cheers. |
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For a second there I thought the 14kw was a genny. So you have a battery bank? I thought perhaps the PV would have been tied into that to begin with. |
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Quoted:Regarding your plan for grid down. You may want to do a little more research. A while back I looked into it and found that simply firing up a quality 60hz pure sine wave generator to trick the micro inverters to turn on isn't the whole piece of the puzzle... something about the micro inverters feeding all that AC back to the generator with nowhere to go can cause problems. The solution was something they were calling "AC Coupling" but it was in its infancy (this was several years ago so maybe there are solutions available now). View Quote Rancher |
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I would love to get into solar to help offset our electrical costs, but we don't have enough southern facing surface and I think we would need too many panels / too big of an installation to make it worthwhile. View Quote As I've posted (maybe in another thread), trying to offset full consumption with solar is not really a good idea unless you have excellent net metering (most people don't). And biasing an array so that it faces westerly is commonly done to shift the peak solar production to more closely match the peak consumption - something that's especially important when an array is sized to offset the most consumption. I've done lots of layouts and designs using west facing roof planes. As long as the roof pitch isn't ridiculously steep, it works. And with a lot of the new inverters, power optimizers or micro-inverters, it's nothing to have modules facing different directions. So use south and west facing roof planes. In fact, I can't remember the last time I did a residential project that didn't us at least two directions. |
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Very nice, Paul. Thanks for the write up.
I try to follow these threads to determine when solar will be cost effective for me. In NE TN, it's not quite there, due to the lower light capture. Maybe it will be, within the next 5-10 years. |
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That looks great.
I have to find some extra energy or find an installer I trust and do this. |
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As I've posted (maybe in another thread), trying to offset full consumption with solar is not really a good idea unless you have excellent net metering (most people don't). And biasing an array so that it faces westerly is commonly done to shift the peak solar production to more closely match the peak consumption - something that's especially important when an array is sized to offset the most consumption. I've done lots of layouts and designs using west facing roof planes. As long as the roof pitch isn't ridiculously steep, it works. And with a lot of the new inverters, power optimizers or micro-inverters, it's nothing to have modules facing different directions. So use south and west facing roof planes. In fact, I can't remember the last time I did a residential project that didn't us at least two directions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would love to get into solar to help offset our electrical costs, but we don't have enough southern facing surface and I think we would need too many panels / too big of an installation to make it worthwhile. As I've posted (maybe in another thread), trying to offset full consumption with solar is not really a good idea unless you have excellent net metering (most people don't). And biasing an array so that it faces westerly is commonly done to shift the peak solar production to more closely match the peak consumption - something that's especially important when an array is sized to offset the most consumption. I've done lots of layouts and designs using west facing roof planes. As long as the roof pitch isn't ridiculously steep, it works. And with a lot of the new inverters, power optimizers or micro-inverters, it's nothing to have modules facing different directions. So use south and west facing roof planes. In fact, I can't remember the last time I did a residential project that didn't us at least two directions. I guess I should have said "offset some of our electrical costs", but I appreciate the info. We really don't want to be in this house any longer than we have to (about 12 years), and I'm guessing we could only recoup a portion of our investment in that time. I suppose I should take a look at our HOA rules first and see if it is expressly forbidden. |
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I guess I should have said "offset some of our electrical costs", but I appreciate the info. We really don't want to be in this house any longer than we have to (about 12 years), and I'm guessing we could only recoup a portion of our investment in that time. I suppose I should take a look at our HOA rules first and see if it is expressly forbidden. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would love to get into solar to help offset our electrical costs, but we don't have enough southern facing surface and I think we would need too many panels / too big of an installation to make it worthwhile. As I've posted (maybe in another thread), trying to offset full consumption with solar is not really a good idea unless you have excellent net metering (most people don't). And biasing an array so that it faces westerly is commonly done to shift the peak solar production to more closely match the peak consumption - something that's especially important when an array is sized to offset the most consumption. I've done lots of layouts and designs using west facing roof planes. As long as the roof pitch isn't ridiculously steep, it works. And with a lot of the new inverters, power optimizers or micro-inverters, it's nothing to have modules facing different directions. So use south and west facing roof planes. In fact, I can't remember the last time I did a residential project that didn't us at least two directions. I guess I should have said "offset some of our electrical costs", but I appreciate the info. We really don't want to be in this house any longer than we have to (about 12 years), and I'm guessing we could only recoup a portion of our investment in that time. I suppose I should take a look at our HOA rules first and see if it is expressly forbidden. No worries. Solar isn't for everyone. Even though I'm in the business, I try to be honest about all the pros and cons. More than once, I've talked someone out of it. Yeah, I know, weird... But if someone installs it then isn't satisfied, it's bad for business. Solar does add to resale value, just like anything else that lowers the utility bills... But installing solar just before you move out would be a lot like installing a pool just before you moved out. Probably not a good investment. Of course, we've been "getting ready to move" for about 5 years now. NM is pretty pro-solar. I suspect that there's a law that limits the ability of the HOA to prohibit solar in an established neighborhood. Doesn't me they won't be a total PITA to deal with - but they will lose. If you've not done everything you can for energy efficiency, go that route first. Much quicker payback. Cheers, B |
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No worries. Solar isn't for everyone. Even though I'm in the business, I try to be honest about all the pros and cons. More than once, I've talked someone out of it. Yeah, I know, weird... But if someone installs it then isn't satisfied, it's bad for business. Solar does add to resale value, just like anything else that lowers the utility bills... But installing solar just before you move out would be a lot like installing a pool just before you moved out. Probably not a good investment. Of course, we've been "getting ready to move" for about 5 years now. NM is pretty pro-solar. I suspect that there's a law that limits the ability of the HOA to prohibit solar in an established neighborhood. Doesn't me they won't be a total PITA to deal with - but they will lose. If you've not done everything you can for energy efficiency, go that route first. Much quicker payback. Cheers, B View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would love to get into solar to help offset our electrical costs, but we don't have enough southern facing surface and I think we would need too many panels / too big of an installation to make it worthwhile. As I've posted (maybe in another thread), trying to offset full consumption with solar is not really a good idea unless you have excellent net metering (most people don't). And biasing an array so that it faces westerly is commonly done to shift the peak solar production to more closely match the peak consumption - something that's especially important when an array is sized to offset the most consumption. I've done lots of layouts and designs using west facing roof planes. As long as the roof pitch isn't ridiculously steep, it works. And with a lot of the new inverters, power optimizers or micro-inverters, it's nothing to have modules facing different directions. So use south and west facing roof planes. In fact, I can't remember the last time I did a residential project that didn't us at least two directions. I guess I should have said "offset some of our electrical costs", but I appreciate the info. We really don't want to be in this house any longer than we have to (about 12 years), and I'm guessing we could only recoup a portion of our investment in that time. I suppose I should take a look at our HOA rules first and see if it is expressly forbidden. No worries. Solar isn't for everyone. Even though I'm in the business, I try to be honest about all the pros and cons. More than once, I've talked someone out of it. Yeah, I know, weird... But if someone installs it then isn't satisfied, it's bad for business. Solar does add to resale value, just like anything else that lowers the utility bills... But installing solar just before you move out would be a lot like installing a pool just before you moved out. Probably not a good investment. Of course, we've been "getting ready to move" for about 5 years now. NM is pretty pro-solar. I suspect that there's a law that limits the ability of the HOA to prohibit solar in an established neighborhood. Doesn't me they won't be a total PITA to deal with - but they will lose. If you've not done everything you can for energy efficiency, go that route first. Much quicker payback. Cheers, B Dog what part of Texas are working in? |
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No worries. Solar isn't for everyone. Even though I'm in the business, I try to be honest about all the pros and cons. More than once, I've talked someone out of it. Yeah, I know, weird... But if someone installs it then isn't satisfied, it's bad for business. Solar does add to resale value, just like anything else that lowers the utility bills... But installing solar just before you move out would be a lot like installing a pool just before you moved out. Probably not a good investment. Of course, we've been "getting ready to move" for about 5 years now. NM is pretty pro-solar. I suspect that there's a law that limits the ability of the HOA to prohibit solar in an established neighborhood. Doesn't me they won't be a total PITA to deal with - but they will lose. If you've not done everything you can for energy efficiency, go that route first. Much quicker payback. Cheers, B View Quote I just noticed my state has disappeared, but I'm in GA - not NM - and I don't think we're particularly pro-solar. I don't know that I've seen it anywhere within a 10-20 mile radius of my house. |
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Signed the contract on the new house tonight with the 10.8kW Solar System built into the construction loan.
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I just noticed my state has disappeared, but I'm in GA - not NM - and I don't think we're particularly pro-solar. I don't know that I've seen it anywhere within a 10-20 mile radius of my house. View Quote Not sure why I thought you were in NM... Yeah, GA is only about #40 in solar in the USA (per NREL). No clue why - I've not researched it. You might find out more here if you're curious. Link is to SEIA - Solar Energy Industries Association. Pretty legit data. Checking PV Watts, irradiation (sunlight energy) in the Atlanta area is about 20% less than here in Dallas. That's significant. Not a deal killer, just something to be aware of. |
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Not sure why I thought you were in NM... Yeah, GA is only about #40 in solar in the USA (per NREL). No clue why - I've not researched it. You might find out more here if you're curious. Link is to SEIA - Solar Energy Industries Association. Pretty legit data. Checking PV Watts, irradiation (sunlight energy) in the Atlanta area is about 20% less than here in Dallas. That's significant. Not a deal killer, just something to be aware of. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I just noticed my state has disappeared, but I'm in GA - not NM - and I don't think we're particularly pro-solar. I don't know that I've seen it anywhere within a 10-20 mile radius of my house. Not sure why I thought you were in NM... Yeah, GA is only about #40 in solar in the USA (per NREL). No clue why - I've not researched it. You might find out more here if you're curious. Link is to SEIA - Solar Energy Industries Association. Pretty legit data. Checking PV Watts, irradiation (sunlight energy) in the Atlanta area is about 20% less than here in Dallas. That's significant. Not a deal killer, just something to be aware of. Interesting link. Some tidbits from it:
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I just noticed my state has disappeared, but I'm in GA - not NM - and I don't think we're particularly pro-solar. I don't know that I've seen it anywhere within a 10-20 mile radius of my house. Not sure why I thought you were in NM... Yeah, GA is only about #40 in solar in the USA (per NREL). No clue why - I've not researched it. You might find out more here if you're curious. Link is to SEIA - Solar Energy Industries Association. Pretty legit data. Checking PV Watts, irradiation (sunlight energy) in the Atlanta area is about 20% less than here in Dallas. That's significant. Not a deal killer, just something to be aware of. Interesting link. Some tidbits from it:
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Got my first power bill with solar ... in the middle of a Southern California summer with the AC set at 76/78 ... $3.93.
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Unfortunately, AHJ's can still inflict conditions on installations, like no arrays facing the street. So if you've got a huge roof plane facing the street and south, your municipality is giving you the shaft. That's a problem in Allen, TX. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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NM is pretty pro-solar. I suspect that there's a law that limits the ability of the HOA to prohibit solar in an established neighborhood. Doesn't me they won't be a total PITA to deal with - but they will lose. Rancher Unfortunately, AHJ's can still inflict conditions on installations, like no arrays facing the street. So if you've got a huge roof plane facing the street and south, your municipality is giving you the shaft. That's a problem in Allen, TX. Move if your state cannot outlaw it. Rancher |
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NM is pretty pro-solar. I suspect that there's a law that limits the ability of the HOA to prohibit solar in an established neighborhood. Doesn't me they won't be a total PITA to deal with - but they will lose. Rancher Unfortunately, AHJ's can still inflict conditions on installations, like no arrays facing the street. So if you've got a huge roof plane facing the street and south, your municipality is giving you the shaft. That's a problem in Allen, TX. Move if your state cannot outlaw it. Rancher I wasn't saying an HOA could. But the Authority Having Jurisdiction, also known as city permitting, can. |
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