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Posted: 10/28/2014 7:38:17 AM EDT
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simply not true. flu is an upper respiratory disease that causes forcefull coughing., expelling small droplets that hang in the air for long periods of time and has a robust protein membrain that keeps it viable on contact surfaces for days. Ebola does neither of these things, as evidenced by the family members of Duncan living in the same appartment that did not get it, or the nurses traveling on airplanes with fever, or the doctor in NYC traveling on subways. All of these infected individuals potentially exposed thousands of people and nobody has come down with it. You simply could not do that with flu. It does mot spread the same. Simple fact. Then explain to me how people are getting it. Because I have a hard time believing that they're getting it by touching vomit or shit. (because in this country we dont touch either of those from a HEALTHY person, even) I get that it isn't as easily transmitted as the flu. I strongly suspect that is because during flu season, you're literally surrounded by it all the time (whereas you are probably only exposed to Ebola in happenstance). |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 7:55:26 AM EDT
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I get that it isn't as easily transmitted as the flu. I strongly suspect that is because during flu season, you're literally surrounded by it all the time (whereas you are probably only exposed to Ebola in happenstance). These studies support that. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 8:06:38 AM EDT
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Apparently the amount of virus present in bodily fluids you would have the possibility of coming in contact with is very low until the late stages. That explains why none of Duncan's family got it (they likely had very limited physical contact with him after showing symptoms) but two nurses wearing improper PPE did. Add to that several of the medical procedures performed on him had a big possibility of creating aerosolized droplets (ever seen a breathing tube pulled out of a person? I have, it is nasty and no doubt there are droplets everywhere in the air) and the nurses were unprotected. Contrast that with Emory where none of the healthcare workers have become infected, probably because they already have loads of personnel experienced with infectious diseases. The sudden push for mandatory quarantine was helped along by Nancy Snyderman, NBC medical consultant, who couldn't even keep to her own self-imposed quarantine.
Funeral rites in that section of Africa are helping spread the disease as well. Often the dead is kissed on the mouth by family before burial, the people preparing the body are unprotected, etc. Combine that with a population with no education about infectious diseases and you have the perfect vector for infection. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 8:19:05 AM EDT
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Then explain to me how people are getting it. Because I have a hard time believing that they're getting it by touching vomit or shit. (because in this country we dont touch either of those from a HEALTHY person, even) I get that it isn't as easily transmitted as the flu. I strongly suspect that is because during flu season, you're literally surrounded by it all the time (whereas you are probably only exposed to Ebola in happenstance). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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simply not true. flu is an upper respiratory disease that causes forcefull coughing., expelling small droplets that hang in the air for long periods of time and has a robust protein membrain that keeps it viable on contact surfaces for days. Ebola does neither of these things, as evidenced by the family members of Duncan living in the same appartment that did not get it, or the nurses traveling on airplanes with fever, or the doctor in NYC traveling on subways. All of these infected individuals potentially exposed thousands of people and nobody has come down with it. You simply could not do that with flu. It does mot spread the same. Simple fact. Then explain to me how people are getting it. Because I have a hard time believing that they're getting it by touching vomit or shit. (because in this country we dont touch either of those from a HEALTHY person, even) I get that it isn't as easily transmitted as the flu. I strongly suspect that is because during flu season, you're literally surrounded by it all the time (whereas you are probably only exposed to Ebola in happenstance). In the US, only healthcare workers have gotten it most likely due to no decon procedures. In west africa, just look at the pictures of how they live |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 8:35:22 AM EDT
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Obviously there is much misinformation out there, fear and gov lies. We should talk about down to earth real preps for potential ways to deal with it or any other virus. Is there a thread here or is this it? Advise. fact is that one of us has about as much chance of catching ebola, as we do of being hit by a meteorite. Unpleasant when it happens, but damn, there are more pressing issues out there. 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 8:52:23 AM EDT
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fact is that at this point in the spreading of the virus in the US, one of us has about as much chance of catching ebola, as we do of being hit by a meteorite. Unpleasant when it happens, but damn, there are more pressing issues out there. But, of course, if we lived in West Africa, 1/4 of us would already be dead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously there is much misinformation out there, fear and gov lies. We should talk about down to earth real preps for potential ways to deal with it or any other virus. Is there a thread here or is this it? Advise. fact is that at this point in the spreading of the virus in the US, one of us has about as much chance of catching ebola, as we do of being hit by a meteorite. Unpleasant when it happens, but damn, there are more pressing issues out there. But, of course, if we lived in West Africa, 1/4 of us would already be dead. fixed it for you... |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 9:58:49 AM EDT
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Recently my doctor told me that ebola has a very hard time living on hard surfaces. It needs warm, moist tissue. A few hours at best. TB survives on hard surfaces for many days because it is in spore form.
Now I see on Drudge this AM study says ebola can live 50 days on hard surfaces. True or lies or who knows. This is the shit I'm talking about. Is my doc wrong? Is this study wrong? |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:32:44 PM EDT
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airborne transmission is still droplet transmission, it is just a function of droplet size and how robust the protein shell of the virus is determining how long the protein membrane can protect the virus in the environment keeping it viable. THANK YOU! |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 2:04:03 PM EDT
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Recently my doctor told me that ebola has a very hard time living on hard surfaces. It needs warm, moist tissue. A few hours at best. TB survives on hard surfaces for many days because it is in spore form. Now I see on Drudge this AM study says ebola can live 50 days on hard surfaces. True or lies or who knows. This is the shit I'm talking about. Is my doc wrong? Is this study wrong? probably they are both right: ideal case, it can survive for days in a large blood clog or mucus, in very unfavorable circumstances it can die within hours or minutes. thats the problem, this isn't an exact science and it's VERY risky to er on the side of the most favorable outcome. I'd rather consider it as easy to spread as flu, even if its not as likely, rather than gamble my life with 5-10% chance of getting freaking ebola. FerFAL |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 2:07:02 PM EDT
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airborne transmission is still droplet transmission, it is just a function of droplet size and how robust the protein shell of the virus is determining how long the protein membrane can protect the virus in the environment keeping it viable. THANK YOU! You're mostly right, but true airborne transmission also carries the ability to survive once the droplet has dried up, i.e in dust particles and whatnot. But, I see where you are coming from, that virus that was dried onto the dust particle started as a droplet. Think TB. There is a reason that they used to burn down homes that had TB in them. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 4:32:12 PM EDT
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Thought this was interesting:
The Pennsylvania Department of Health (DOH) is monitoring approximately 105 people who recently traveled from West Africa to Pennsylvania for any possible symptoms of Ebola. This number is fluid and will be updated each Monday on the DOH website. This is part of a directive by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that requires six states — PA, NY, MD, VA, NJ, GA — to actively monitor travelers coming from Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. http://www.pamedsoc.org/MainMenuCategories/Patient-Care-Quality/Health-Issues/Ebola-2/Ebola-active-monitoring.html |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 7:53:53 PM EDT
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You're mostly right, but true airborne transmission also carries the ability to survive once the droplet has dried up, i.e in dust particles and whatnot. But, I see where you are coming from, that virus that was dried onto the dust particle started as a droplet. Think TB. There is a reason that they used to burn down homes that had TB in them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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airborne transmission is still droplet transmission, it is just a function of droplet size and how robust the protein shell of the virus is determining how long the protein membrane can protect the virus in the environment keeping it viable. THANK YOU! You're mostly right, but true airborne transmission also carries the ability to survive once the droplet has dried up, i.e in dust particles and whatnot. But, I see where you are coming from, that virus that was dried onto the dust particle started as a droplet. Think TB. There is a reason that they used to burn down homes that had TB in them. Wow. For some reason while I was reading this thread, I thought, "FlameThrower!" And then you talk about burning down houses... Does that make me a weird person? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:33:11 AM EDT
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Wow. For some reason while I was reading this thread, I thought, "FlameThrower!" And then you talk about burning down houses... Does that make me a weird person? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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airborne transmission is still droplet transmission, it is just a function of droplet size and how robust the protein shell of the virus is determining how long the protein membrane can protect the virus in the environment keeping it viable. THANK YOU! You're mostly right, but true airborne transmission also carries the ability to survive once the droplet has dried up, i.e in dust particles and whatnot. But, I see where you are coming from, that virus that was dried onto the dust particle started as a droplet. Think TB. There is a reason that they used to burn down homes that had TB in them. Wow. For some reason while I was reading this thread, I thought, "FlameThrower!" And then you talk about burning down houses... Does that make me a weird person? Weird for thinking flame thrower and burning the world down to solve a problem? No. Of course that isn't weird. I have that thought several times a day... But I come from a long line of pyromaniacs... A lot of folks are getting hung up on the "airborne" or not thing. Just keep in mind from medical professional's stand point that word has a specific meaning that may not be the same thing you are thinking of. You may be thinking in terms of contact vs. Airborne being the only options. Droplet transmission is "airborne" in the sense that you are thinking if it. I.e. You don't have to touch the person. You can be close to them and get droplets on you without touching them. As stated well already in this thread and others, airborne from the standpoint of a medical professional means there is transmission through the air in the absence of relatively heavy droplets. This distinction matters in terms of how you set up isolation. Most of us probably had attendings that would jump all over us during training for using a word the wrong way. Like to this day I can't say someone was "dehydrated" I have to say "volume depleted". |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:46:10 AM EDT
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I've never seen anything on this but I am curious as to: How long is the life expectancy of someone who recovers from this?
Since it basically liquefies you innards and stresses the organs. IDK? I've heard friends bet that these Dr's and nurses won't last a year. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:23:10 PM EDT
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I've never seen anything on this but I am curious as to: How long is the life expectancy of someone who recovers from this? Since it basically liquefies you innards and stresses the organs. IDK? I've heard friends bet that these Dr's and nurses won't last a year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've never seen anything on this but I am curious as to: How long is the life expectancy of someone who recovers from this? Since it basically liquefies you innards and stresses the organs. IDK? I've heard friends bet that these Dr's and nurses won't last a year. Looks like they live longer than a year but may have residual issues that last longer http://www.cbsnews.com/news/surviving-ebola-for-those-who-live-through-it-what-lies-ahead/ Medical experts say most people who manage to recover from an acute Ebola infection will likely be able to return to their life and resume normal activities. But unfortunately, Ebola survivors do often develop certain chronic inflammatory conditions that affect the joints and eyes, problems that can follow a survivor through the remainder of their life. Dr. Amar Safdar, associate professor of infectious diseases and immunology at NYU Langone Medical Center, told CBS News these chronic conditions are a result of the body's immune response. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:24:47 PM EDT
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people, Ebola is a virus that spreads exactly like the flu. exactly like the flu. let me say it again for the "it's of no concern to us, in this country" crowd exactly like the flu. If you've ever had the flu, you just as easily could have contracted Ebola. Quarantine works. N95 masks work. Washing your hands constantly works. Not really. The flu is airborne, Ebola is not. Anyone presenting symptoms of ebola is not walking around. They are in bed soon after. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:08:20 AM EDT
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Recognizing that the OP questioned about "how to deal with ebola" I found the following from the front lines.
link Social distancing still seems like best bet, grocery store before drug store IMHO. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:38:55 AM EDT
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Obviously there is much misinformation out there, fear and gov lies. We should talk about down to earth real preps for potential ways to deal with it or any other virus. Is there a thread here or is this it? Advise. fact is that at this point in the spreading of the virus in the US, one of us has about as much chance of catching ebola, as we do of being hit by a meteorite. Unpleasant when it happens, but damn, there are more pressing issues out there. But, of course, if we lived in West Africa, 1/4 of us would already be dead. fixed it for you... you did not 'fix' shit, you just adjusted reality to suit your view. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:23:00 AM EDT
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PER the NY POST (not exactly a Right Wing propaganda machine). Sneezing CAN transmit Ebola in airborne water droplets/saliva.
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you did not 'fix' shit, you just adjusted reality to suit your view.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:51:56 AM EDT
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CDC states sneezing can transmit ebola
Take the link with a grain of salt, but MIT just did a study that showed sneezing droplets can reach 20 feet Ebola can live on surfaces for 50 days at 39 degrees. Welcome to winter. CDC's own admission that ebola is worse than they're telling us. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:25:31 AM EDT
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My wife heard a history professor say recently that when something big happens in this country like a disease outbreak the very first thing the gov does is lie to the people for as long as they can.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:15:08 PM EDT
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Anyone else think that there will be a couple of new cases immediately AFTER the election?
(so as not to spook people from standing in long lines at polling places and therefore not voting) |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:36:03 PM EDT
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Anyone else think that there will be a couple of new cases immediately AFTER the election? (so as not to spook people from standing in long lines at polling places and therefore not voting) It wouldn't surprise me one bit to hear of new cases after the election, but I don't think the timing would have to do with the election. I can see new cases coming to light from new travelers and from contamination from the worthless doc in NYC. on edit: There is a new ebola tracking site that has been getting great reviews with regards to accuracy. I think it's more up to date than the first ebola tracking site. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:52:40 PM EDT
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on edit: There is a new ebola tracking site that has been getting great reviews with regards to accuracy. I think it's more up to date than the first ebola tracking site. I'm not going to that website. I heard you can catch Ebola from it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:56:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife heard a history professor say recently that when something big happens in this country like a disease outbreak the very first thing the gov does is lie to the people for as long as they can. but that sounds like a tabloid headline type of thing. Not that it isn't true, but be careful of what "experts" say.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:02:11 PM EDT
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If someone survives Ebola, can he or she still spread the virus?Once someone recovers from Ebola, they can no longer spread the virus. However, Ebola virus has been found in semen for up to 3 months. Abstinence from sex (including oral sex) is recommended for at least 3 months. If abstinence is not possible, condoms may help prevent the spread of disease. How is abstinence "not possible"???????????????????????? Didn't know gang rape of male ebola survivors was a thing. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:16:53 PM EDT
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Recognizing that the OP questioned about "how to deal with ebola" I found the following from the front lines. link Social distancing still seems like best bet, grocery store before drug store IMHO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Recognizing that the OP questioned about "how to deal with ebola" I found the following from the front lines. link Social distancing still seems like best bet, grocery store before drug store IMHO. Nice. Wanna see someone with her head screwed on straight? Fatu Kekula, a 22-year-old nursing student from Kakata, Liberia, made international news when she took care of her entire family who had become infected with Ebola. She didn’t have the white protective suits and goggles that official health workers rely on to stay safe. Instead, she improvised and wore layers of trash bags over her socks and boots, a raincoat and four pairs of gloves. Three of her four infected family members survived and she didn’t contract the disease. Health authorities much prefer that residents bring people suspected of having Ebola to hospitals to get proper treatment from doctors. But for those who can’t get into overwhelmed hospitals, Kekula’s “trash bag method” of care provided some element of protection. Looks like Fatu walks the walk. Never underestimate what trash bags, a cool head and some common sense can accomplish.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:59:33 PM EDT
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CDC states sneezing can transmit ebola Take the link with a grain of salt, but MIT just did a study that showed sneezing droplets can reach 20 feet Ebola can live on surfaces for 50 days at 39 degrees. Welcome to winter. CDC's own admission that ebola is worse than they're telling us. Quote---- "Take the link with a grain of salt, but MIT just did a study that showed sneezing droplets can reach 20 feet" Hell, I'm NOT a HI-IQ Idiot at MIT... And I could have told you that... 
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