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Posted: 9/2/2014 2:25:10 PM EDT
You may have your sprays, repellents, bug zappers, etc. But in an extended situation, what do you do about mosquito control? Those things carry disease, and really prevent productive work. Since the arrival of the tiger mosquito in the last 10 years or so, they viciously attack during all hours of the day/night.
We do the normal thing of mitigating the property of standing water as best we can, but with edibles growing darn near everywhere, we are hesitant to use sprays unless we really need to. I had a thought, and maybe it has been done, but was looking for feedback: Give them a place to lay their eggs. You heard me, set up a few places just for the mosquitoes to lay the eggs. Nice place like a bird feeder in the shade. Then twice a week, dump some pool shock or bleach in it, enough to kill all the larvae. The bleach evaporates away, and the next crop thinks they found the perfect place to lay their eggs. Repeat twice weekly during skeeter season. Wonder if it would make a significant difference? Skeeter season is starting to die off now, so I won't have the opportunity to try until next year.
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Our 2 nights in the teton rand was dieter infested. Cattle roam the area so we were picking up piles dried dung for the fire.
Also suggest learning what plants have repellant properties in ur area. |
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Citronella plants although i can never make mine live throughout the winter and have to buy new ones every spring/summer
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After 15 years in the pest control industry and most of that in the mosquito infested south.....
I will help as best I can. Yes the first step is to reduce "any" standing water. Tires, kids toys, pots, buckets.... Etc. the life cycle is about 5-7 days so you must dump them every 4 days to kill he larvae. They only breed in standing water. Even windy choppy ponds are to rough and they will drown as they hatch into adults. They will stay on the underside of leaves to rest, especially in the heat of the day. Trim back all shrubs, plants, trees as much as you can. Any cool moist areas like ivy beds or damp areas will draw them in. A fogger is one of your best bets to control them but even our professional products and equipment is normally only good for 3-4 weeks in summer. And yes you want to stay away from edible plants as much as possible. If you have standing water there are some great products that treat them. Look under microbial water treatments. We use them a lot for midge control also. Remember eggs can lay dormant for a long period of time when dry. Sometimes when water evaporates quickly you will see a black ring around a bucket or old pool liner. A lot of those are mosquito eggs and as soon as it rains as the water rises back up the eggs will hatch. Therma cells are the best I have ever found for personal protection. For long term protection invest in a bug suit. Especially if you are in a bad area for them. |
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One of the most cherished pieces of gear I was issued in the military was a mosquito head net.
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Quoted: Wonder if it would make a significant difference? View Quote |
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I find that burning citronella candles helps very little with mosquitoes
Maybe invest in some bats?. They eat like 20-30x in their body weight of insects |
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When I lived in Guatemala, it was recommended to me that I soak my clothes in permethrin and let them dry and to repeat that treatment every 5 washings or so. I never did it because I was too lazy to worry about, but those who did felt like it helped some. There was a shit ton of mosquitoes down there during the peak hours. I got dengue fever, that was a miserable experience. I had a friend that got malaria. I think if I were to live down there again for a long period of time, I would do the permethrin treatment on my clothes.
It was recommended to sleep under a mosquito net. I never did because it was hot as balls down there and the net made me feel like I was suffocating. Instead I would sleep with a fan blowing over me. The little biters couldn't land on you with the fan blowing on you, and it made the hot nights a little more bearable. If I didn't have electricity, and I could stand it, the mosquito nets would be a must especially for my kids. Cover up as much skin as you can especially at dusk. Long sleeves, etc. |
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There's a lot of cheap head nets and mosquito nets for sale @ varios vendors. I've put away several, for obvious reasons.
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Look for native plants that repel skeeters that you can rub on you skin or clothing.
Put up bird/bat houses. Citranola does not work. Bug suits,jackets and head nets work but can be hot. Other clothing works. Sometimes you just have to tough it out. No-see-ums are worse than skeeters. |
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Quoted: Look for native plants that repel skeeters that you can rub on you skin or clothing. Put up bird/bat houses. Citranola does not work. Bug suits,jackets and head nets work but can be hot. No-see-ums are worse than skeeters. View Quote However, you are ***ALL*** forgetting about Birch Bark Oil or Birch Bark Tar. SMELLY SH!T, but it works great! Sadly, the down side is that it also works just as well at repelling your WIFE as it does repelling Squiters and No See Ums! |
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Look for native plants that repel skeeters that you can rub on you skin or clothing. Put up bird/bat houses. Citranola does not work. Bug suits,jackets and head nets work but can be hot. Other clothing works. Sometimes you just have to tough it out. No-see-ums are worse than skeeters. View Quote It isn't so much a just tough it out thing. I mean, yeah maybe you do, but there can be legit heal issues that can come from it. People die from West Nile here in MS, and that is with modern medical care and with people doing things to avoid mosquitoes. I can only imagine what it would be like if folks were sleeping outside due to the heat and with nothing to repel them or keep them off. Old houses down here (made before AC was an option) had screened in porches. Most of these are now replaced with glass rooms so they can be air conditioned. But I am sure if we lost power long term, a nice screened in porch would be super nice. When I spent the night along the Amazon in Peru, we stayed in these off the ground pavilions that had screen all around, and overhead like as the ceiling and then under it to keep bugs from coming up through the floor. Then we had our tent inside of that. It was actually very effective and made for nice cool sleeping arrangements. The pavilion was big enough to hold about 8 four man dome tents. I actually hope to replicate this out by a pond in the woods behind the house. |
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Some EOTWAWKI, no DEET, no mosquito fogs, every unattended water around my place is going to have used motor oil on it.
The point of that is mosquito control starts with limiting the breeding grounds. When I see folks with standing water being eaten alive spending their lives at home indoors or hiding, I just smile and shake my head. Most of us don't live in the swamps. We have to work at it through neglect to do so,. Tj |
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Quoted: Some EOTWAWKI, no DEET, no mosquito fogs, every unattended water around my place is going to have used motor oil on it. The point of that is mosquito control starts with limiting the breeding grounds. When I see folks with standing water being eaten alive spending their lives at home indoors or hiding, I just smile and shake my head. Most of us don't live in the swamps. We have to work at it through neglect to do so,. Tj View Quote |
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In my neck of the woods (Central MN), what isn't a lake is a swamp or a hill. Not much in between. Unfortunately, we live next to about 1200 acres of swamp . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Some EOTWAWKI, no DEET, no mosquito fogs, every unattended water around my place is going to have used motor oil on it. The point of that is mosquito control starts with limiting the breeding grounds. When I see folks with standing water being eaten alive spending their lives at home indoors or hiding, I just smile and shake my head. Most of us don't live in the swamps. We have to work at it through neglect to do so,. Tj BTDT too, lived in Louisiana. You learn to hide from them and learn the does and don'ts. For example, most people don't know mosquitoes don't like the color white, in fact, most won't even land on it, but its a Catch 22. They can be attracted to movement from yards away and white is easy to see. Most people know light attracts them but few know they follow CO2 like a catfish follows a blood scent. Using the wind is a big deal. One of my favorite mosquito tools is one of my Dietz Lanterns which I designate for citronella oil. It puts out way more scent than the torches or buckets and the light is way more controllable. On my boat, I anchor down at night bow into the wind and windshield closed. My citronella I put off the back where the anchor light, an attractant you can't turn off, is. Most of the mosquitoes will come from downwind and those that don't fly over the deck then try to follow, like the majority, the light or our breathes attract them, but run into a wall of citronella. On my porch, I don't have a windshield so wind setting my distance, I use two. I put one upwind, a small one or a bucket, to get them to first go around, then I put a bigger one downwind so they hit the wall of smell and yep, the light, while we stay hidden in the dark. I tried the electronic buzzers but they are only marginal at best. In the field, besides the usual DEET etc. I wear dark clothing so to hide my movement. Besides not sitting in smoke, I try to sit upwind of any campfire so the mosquitoes follow that CO2 and then stay mesmerized by the light. Light placement, I use the same wind techniques with worse case being downwind of a light. Using high power lights like a Coleman lantern, best to have it upwind and a distance away. Its diversionary tactics. People will laugh at this one but the best mosquito diversion ever is a fat pale complected blond. Mosquitoes will eat them alive while leaving you pretty much alone. The difference is quite noticeable. The best solution to the light issue is headlamps with or and red lights. Blue or traditional yellow porch lights are a little better but still nowhere close to red. I can sit in a swamp and read a book with a red light with a fraction of the insects of a single white LED. I live next to a forest. Another thing I do is every couple of months we establish about a 3' wide perimeter around our house with pesticide. We use the 3 month liquid spray. It doesn't stop mosquitoes but it cuts them down because mosquitoes land. They're not a bird and can't cover great distances. If they land on the barrier, even if it doesn't kill them, they turn back. The difference is quite noticeable too. I eliminate any standing water around my place. What I can't elminate, I hit with a very small amount of used motor oil, just enough to put a color film on it. Anything that over flows after a rain, you have to re-treat. Don't overdo either of these because you don't want to kill the good bugs or small animals. You just want to keep them out. Nature has a way of knowing, go here you die, don't go there. Any deer hunter knows that. On the subject of DEET, its all about time. The citrus substitutes actually work pretty well but they wear off pretty darn quickly. They're ok for say a picnic or a couple hours on the porch but anything more, they're a waste of money because you are going to get eaten alive figuring out its time to apply them again. I try to avoid these all together but when I use a skin repellant I go full bore 100% DEET. I wish I still had the old Vietnam Era MIL stuff. That was oil based, greasy as hell, but lasted for hours upon hours. The problem with these things is we wear them off in areas and they'll go right for that area. Clothing is important. Besides color, cover up. I know being in long sleaves and long pants in summer sucks but it beats being sucked on. There's a lot of neat clothing these days thats very light, cool to wear, but covers you. My favorites are Columbia, Guide Gear, and Magellan. That's about it, if you can't control them, you have to hide from them and the only way to hide from them is out think them. PS: My latest invader is a big ole snake. The damn thing is as big as I've seen a snake, moved in, and the predator from hell. We have no birds, squirrels, or even my good little blue tail lizards left on my hill. I normally like having snakes on my hill but not this guy. He's too much of a predator. He makes a damn feral cat look good. I think he's either a Timber Rattler or Rat Snake. I'm trying to capture him on a snake board but I may have to attack his hole an option I'd rather not but will if I have to. I haven't seen anything like this guy since hippie chick use to buy my neighbors commercial rabbits just to set them free and every owl in this part of the state came here to eat little white and black bunnies wiping out all the wildlife in the process. Our fear is this snake will take out our little dog and we can't take that no matter what the environmentalist in the cities polluting the crap out of the air think. Tj |
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there appears to be a difference of opinion on the usefulness of citronella based lamp oils... like Thom Jefferson, my old Dietz lantern works well for my situation... but to qualify...mine was used in a limited space with wind blocked.... I live about 3 miles from the Gulf at pretty high (32') elevation... the county has a very good mosquito control district with spray trucks,Hughes 500D dropping pellets, and salt water channels to drain swamp areas..., during the 2004 hurricane outage, I used the lantern in my non attached garage with double wide door as temporary living quarters...I have an old frame house with frame garage.... I was able to manually lift the garage door, and not having a typical screened porch or pool enclosure most Floridians have, turned my garage into my daytime living quarters until well after dark... I moved the cooking grille, a chaise lounge, folding camp chair, portable TV and radio, and fired up the Dietz and a Air Pilot for light, and waited for the house to cool down...powering the ceiling fans became a priority after retirement...
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This is anecdotal, but during field ops I've been stunned by how bugs don't bother me. The only difference I can tell is that I'm a filthy animal after day 3 or 4 of not showering and sweating all day. Anyone else notice this?
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This is anecdotal, but during field ops I've been stunned by how bugs don't bother me. The only difference I can tell is that I'm a filthy animal after day 3 or 4 of not showering and sweating all day. Anyone else notice this? View Quote Yep, its the smell thing. You just went from a nice plate of medium rare to left overs same as any deer in the forest. Its the same thing like these guys talk of eating garlic or for that matter Indians eating curry. You eat enough it comes out your pours, you stink. Helps some with the bugs but limits your field of intimate friends (girls, women). Three days in the field no bathing, your lucky to get your dog to lick you. I don't see it as much of a deterrent, but it is noticeable and often is unpreventable. Of course, someone who's idea of outdoors is a campground will have no concept of what we are talking about. They just can't fathom there's some places and circumstances you can't bathe and that its even possible you'd actually get use to it. I've seen guys over the years get pneumonia in winter, waste their last drinking water, and covered head to toe in leaches. Tj |
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I knew it was along these lines but I had to look it up to confirm.....Mosquitos kill on average of one million people per year. Damn!
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Citronella candles are very good at keeping the skeeters away from the citronella.
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I find that burning citronella candles helps very little with mosquitoes Maybe invest in some bats?. They eat like 20-30x in their body weight of insects View Quote You can build bat houses for whatever bats are in your area. That would have to help with the bug population. Birch tar is a good repellant, too. http://www.practicalprimitive.com/skillofthemonth/birchtar.html |
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Long term where you are not going to be sitting with a thermocell: I would go back to what I hunted with in the FL swamps prior to the thermocell: Lay clothes on flat surface and Spray clothes down well with permethrin/permanone and let dry, the wet permethrin is NOT good for your skin. The chemical will bind to the clothing for some time and several washings and keep then skeeters from biting areas where clothing is tight against your skin. Lightweight gloves.... spray the same as above, to cover hands.
As for face and neck, I revised the cheap camo hunting headnets you can find: Get the headnets that have a pre cut out for your eyes and enlarge the precut out area with scissors so that once you first put on a cap with a bill, you can then pull the entire headnet over your cap and head and pull the bill through the opening. The cap will do a marginal job of keeping the netting far enough away from you skin to prevent most of the skeeters from reaching your skin. If the skeeters are really bad, I will put a tiny bit of deet around my eyes/nose to keep the pests from zoning in on this one unprotected area. This will keep you from having to move your hands to swat away the pests and give away your position. |
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