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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:21:01 AM EDT
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[#1]
I think this relates to a lot of things in normal, day to day life as well.
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[#2]
southernprepper1 is a good guy. I had a question about prepping and he actually called me to discuss it.
When was the last time you ever had someone remotely "famous" take time to call you on the phone? |
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[#3]
Oh Boy, waiting for the next topic of "What Bolt Action For the SHTF"
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I like SP1's stuff as well. I had a question about something and he called me and we talked for a bit about it. From all outward appearances, he is a good guy.
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[#7]
I really don't want my centuries returning fire unless they need to for the purpose of repelling attack. Probing fire is not really an occasion to bump fire into the woods. I would tend to want to use a reaction force to move against the shooters with the century positions giving cover. Subterfuge is fine but this all seems a bit amateurish.
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[#8]
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I really don't want my centuries returning fire unless they need to for the purpose of repelling attack. View Quote It's impressive enough for a private citizen to have a company of 100 fighters under his command. When you say centuries, exactly how many companies to you command? |
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It's impressive enough for a private citizen to have a company of 100 fighters under his command. When you say centuries, exactly how many companies to you command? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I really don't want my centuries returning fire unless they need to for the purpose of repelling attack. It's impressive enough for a private citizen to have a company of 100 fighters under his command. When you say centuries, exactly how many companies to you command? Look outs. Guards. Watchmen. You know what I mean. |
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I really don't want my centuries returning fire unless they need to for the purpose of repelling attack. Probing fire is not really an occasion to bump fire into the woods. I would tend to want to use a reaction force to move against the shooters with the century positions giving cover. Subterfuge is fine but this all seems a bit amateurish. View Quote Not only that, how would this "prober" know how to avoid the "kill zones" unless he already knew where the OP/ firing positions were? |
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Look outs. Guards. Watchmen. You know what I mean. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I really don't want my centuries returning fire unless they need to for the purpose of repelling attack. It's impressive enough for a private citizen to have a company of 100 fighters under his command. When you say centuries, exactly how many companies to you command? Look outs. Guards. Watchmen. You know what I mean. Sentries, the word you are looking for is sentries old sport. Unless of course you really do have 100 men and that would make you a centurion? With that said why not line the approaches with fougasse, run the wires to pre-prepared fighting positions, and use the terrain to funnel them into a natural killzone? Sit back and you can blast the hell out of them w/o doing much more than lifting a finger. |
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Not only that, how would this "prober" know how to avoid the "kill zones" unless he already knew where the OP/ firing positions were? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I really don't want my centuries returning fire unless they need to for the purpose of repelling attack. Probing fire is not really an occasion to bump fire into the woods. I would tend to want to use a reaction force to move against the shooters with the century positions giving cover. Subterfuge is fine but this all seems a bit amateurish. Not only that, how would this "prober" know how to avoid the "kill zones" unless he already knew where the OP/ firing positions were? It's a fantasy video, that's how... This will go 87 pages and stuff like how to purify your water, 3 if that. |
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It's a fantasy video, that's how... This will go 87 pages and stuff like how to purify your water, 3 if that. And I guess nobody has a PVS-14 either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I really don't want my centuries returning fire unless they need to for the purpose of repelling attack. Probing fire is not really an occasion to bump fire into the woods. I would tend to want to use a reaction force to move against the shooters with the century positions giving cover. Subterfuge is fine but this all seems a bit amateurish. Not only that, how would this "prober" know how to avoid the "kill zones" unless he already knew where the OP/ firing positions were? It's a fantasy video, that's how... This will go 87 pages and stuff like how to purify your water, 3 if that. And I guess nobody has a PVS-14 either. |
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[#14]
Gotta love how preppers take a disaster as a good excuse to just start murdering folk for strolling by their property.
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Quoted: If the SHTF for real, as in TEOTWAWKI, people will not out "strolling" around. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Gotta love how preppers take a disaster as a good excuse to just start murdering folk for strolling by their property. |
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Quoted: And if they are looking to trade their SHTF gold/silver for a loaf a bread?????? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gotta love how preppers take a disaster as a good excuse to just start murdering folk for strolling by their property. |
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Quoted: And if they are looking to trade their SHTF gold/silver for a loaf a bread?????? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gotta love how preppers take a disaster as a good excuse to just start murdering folk for strolling by their property. |
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[#21]
Why is everyone so damn trigger happy ready to shoot on sight post SHTF? You have to be cautious, yes, VERY, but its "Hey, there is someone! OPEN FIRE!!!!"
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[#23]
Couple minor points:
I did not see him as advocating shooting anyone within eyesight Secondly, his idea about underplaying your capability is pretty good and eminently doable. Same with selective reaction to probing fire. Thirdly, the idea that bolt action shooters represent low danger is interestingly wrong. I have seen plenty of bolt action rifle shooters I wouldn't want to attack. Semi Auto Poodle Popper operators? Not near as many. This is merely what I've seen around here. YMWV It's the Indian, not the arrow. |
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Quoted: ...the idea that bolt action shooters represent low danger is interestingly wrong. I have seen plenty of bolt action rifle shooters I wouldn't want to attack. ... View Quote One of my granddads had a sporterized 1903 springfield that he used for a deer rifle, that was later passed to my dad then to me. Granddad was amazingly quick and accurate with that thing. |
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[#25]
I like how he figures there will be a couple of guys per post just standing there out in the open that will just pop off a few rounds at the attackers. I would have them in concealment with well constructed hides. If some guy just popped out of the woods to send a few probing rounds at the house, my guys wouldn't take a shot unless they had a target and they would most likely kill the guy
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Sentries ought to be teenage boys with walkie talkies...but who bike around, or do other chores with their eyes open. No school in session in SHTF so there ought to be plenty of young boys with nothing better to do so make em bike or hike the perimeter, make it a game etc. and they'll be better than grown men sitting in a blind bored out of their mind while worried about wife and kids and career and 401k etc.... allows the men folk to do more useful things.
evil-doers probably won't notice boys riding about on bikes but the boys will notice strangers. So will little old ladies sitting on a rocker in her porch or anyone along the main route into or out of your neighborhood. I'd bet quite a lot that it's boys who gather intel on our FOBs in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cute kids who walk right up to the perimeter to wave, smile, ask for candy etc. all while they're generally counting heads, noticing where the mines/entrapments are, how many guards are on the wall, how quickly the reaction time is, who's nice and who's serious...who seems 'weak' and who seems tough as nails.... who exposes himself and who stays buttoned up. |
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Guys this is off the deep end of silly, approaching impossible, and insulting even to Mid-evil.
First know this, for there to be some catastrophe, any catastrophe, that times get really hard, there's going to be a mass exodus of people. That's history from the Great Famine to the Dust Bowl in the US. Anyone who's ever manned a permanent fire base knows this. Even this guys physics are off like you can grow enough food inside a compound to support enough people to man the perimeter. That's going to be one big ass compound. That's especially big since he talked like it was permanently manned ready for action and no mention of reinforcement which blows his one man probe idea. Its like he never saw "Green Beret" the movie or hell "The Alamo" and/or "Zulu" and doesn't grasp "Re-enforce the north wall". All I can say is best not play chess for a living for he's one dimensional and one move at a time. In Survival if you are playing checkers while the world plays chess, you lose. What he described was a "Fire base" or if you want step back in history a little, a Fort. Heck you can PC it and call it a Gated Community or survival cool call it a Compound, but its all the same thing. Regardless unless you want to be Molotov Cocktail or something far worse constant recipient, you won't be shooting at anyone walking up to your perimeter anymore than we did in Vietnam or soldiers today do in Afghanistan. You may have to but it won't be shoot on sight. This is classic "Hermit" survival philosophy and it doesn't work. Face reality here if you have a compound you don't control more than 300 yards as far as a typical bullet can fly, you aren't in control of anything. You are holed up forsaking everything around you like an old west fort once the settlements are on fire and burning. You are Captain Smith of the Titanic ready to go down with the ship. Its far more complex than probe then attack. There's recon, probe in force so to draw the maximum fire, feint, siege, etc. etc. Compound tactics would include roving patrols, ambush, intelligence gathering (every person walking up to that gate is a source intel), reserves, re-enforcement, flanking, egress (a real biggie), etc. etc. You can keep this stand and fight or die crap. Survival implies you live and combat is fight when you have a plan to win. The Charge of the Light Brigade was a mistake. Of course, there are situations you may have to "hole up" even without a permanent loss of services, but a loss of services doesn't mean "oh boy I get to hole up". If you have time to establish a "compound", you have time to do all those other things principle to most take the fight to them other than put your children in the line of fire. I don't understand this obsession people have with putting their families in harms way. Its a fantasy that often you have to ignore history and even science to even conceive it. The reality to this mans scenario is an enemy won't need to use a one man probe your defenses, he'd already have nailed someone on the outside and know what they are. Guns don't all shoot the same distance and even a child can make a motor or catapult. Only a fool throws himself at overwhelming odds and its a mistake to think your enemy whoever that may be is a fool. You only hole up when you know you will be relieved, things will get better, help is on the way. Things only get better if you are part of the solution. Patton said, "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man". He was right. You win by controlling the area and that means community not just the fort. Tj |
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[#29]
I took it as an extremely oversimplified demonstration for the layperson.
The guy's a combat vet of 7 years and was with the 101st. He was in Iraq when we first invaded over a decade ago. His name is David Kobler. His name is David Kobler... |
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[#30]
he got out on a medical I think because of his knees. I don't think it was his hehnnnnngggggggnnnnn
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[#31]
Sounded like the kind of beer-belly talk I hear at the desk of the local gunshop.
Bunch of "Boy I tell ya here's what gunna happun blah blah blah.." |
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[#33]
I guess SF is now like GD for character assassination.
No where did he advocate killing anybody for no reason. He was just explaining a tactic. A little knowledge is a good thing. |
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I have been in a country wide SHTF (2001 El Salvador's twin earthquakes). I got there after the first and before the second. it was a nation-wide area of destruction. lots of little towns and factories wiped out, etc.
When we rode into towns in relief convoys, people were generally well behaved and tired. We didn't roll in armed to the teeth - after 1 week outdoors, they were happy to see us. Kids were playing soccer, women were cooking under shelter. Men were working clearing rubble. what we had going for us was a network of missionaries who organized the people into families and then gave each family jobs and direction - child care (soccer), cooking, cleaning and rubble removal. |
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[#35]
View Quote its more of how to not be a dumbass in a defensive position |
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[#36]
First problem I see with his "probe" idea is the kill range. Effective range of an AR or AK is 450 to 500m. And for a 3006 it's 1000+. So, does he think people are going to force others to fire from 500 meters away. Most people don't engage when the enemy is more than 300m away. So, to get them to shoot at them they are going to be a lot closer. Also, probing is a dumb approach because the element of surprise is gone.
If I were going to attack a fortified base I would observe from a distance with some good glass. Then I'd get close under cover of darkness and attack at different areas or use distraction as a way to draw their strength to one side. The concern I have about people giving advice about these things is that they never have been under fire or trained in combat. So, I would ask what his credentials are that make him an expert in this field? Is he military or LE? And, if he is does he have real world experience? Most likely, he doesn't have any credentials and is a self proclaimed Colonel of a paintball army. But the fact that he owns an AK47 makes him an expert in military tactics. |
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Followed quickly by thread title such as "I missed out on all the cheap Mosins. Tell me how I can make my AR sound like it's a bolt action" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh Boy, waiting for the next topic of "What Bolt Action For the SHTF" Followed quickly by thread title such as "I missed out on all the cheap Mosins. Tell me how I can make my AR sound like it's a bolt action" Remove the gas tube? |
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Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more. George S. Patton
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The concern I have about people giving advice about these things is that they never have been under fire or trained in combat. So, I would ask what his credentials are that make him an expert in this field? Is he military or LE? And, if he is does he have real world experience? Most likely, he doesn't have any credentials and is a self proclaimed Colonel of a paintball army. But the fact that he owns an AK47 makes him an expert in military tactics. View Quote Not much on getting one's own facts straight before accusing others of not knowing what they're talking about, eh? |
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Followed quickly by thread title such as "I missed out on all the cheap Mosins. Tell me how I can make my AR sound like it's a bolt action" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Followed quickly by thread title such as "I missed out on all the cheap Mosins. Tell me how I can make my AR sound like it's a bolt action" That's easy. Sell one of your ARs and buy a bolt action Quoted:
I have been in a country wide SHTF (2001 El Salvador's twin earthquakes). I got there after the first and before the second. it was a nation-wide area of destruction. lots of little towns and factories wiped out, etc. When we rode into towns in relief convoys, people were generally well behaved and tired. We didn't roll in armed to the teeth - after 1 week outdoors, they were happy to see us. Kids were playing soccer, women were cooking under shelter. Men were working clearing rubble. what we had going for us was a network of missionaries who organized the people into families and then gave each family jobs and direction - child care (soccer), cooking, cleaning and rubble removal. Your topic deserves a stand-alone thread with more in-depth accounting than what you gave it here |
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