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Starting to get into prepping and I saw on the news that this upcoming winter is supposed to be harsh. What should I start prepping?
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Starting to get into prepping and I saw on the news that this upcoming winter is supposed to be harsh. What should I start prepping? View Quote I've always been curious how frequently that has been wrong. Anyone know? I don't mean whether it'll rain or not but rather seasonally. Apparantly it says it'll be a bad winter, ok...has it ever been predicted to be a bad winter and it was warm or mild? As for how to prep... Snow tires Hand warmers and blankets in the vehicles 2 backup heat sources that'll last for a month or two Food Water Salt Shovel Gas for the snow blower Candles Flashlights/batteries Radios Deck of cards or bottle of Astroglide...dealer's choice there. -Emt1581 |
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you might consider an emergency kerosene or propane space heater, naturally with a way to provide ventilation and a CO detector... I live in Florida and have a Sengoku HMN110 and couple of Mr Heaters.... good sleeping bag for each member of the family
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If you have a fire place, stack the wood deep. During winters here I always keep tow and rachet straps in the truck. Tow straps to help others and rachet straps to help myself if others aren't around. Otherwise, EMT nailed it.
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Easy to prepare high calorie foods. Also some MRE's or energy bars for the vehicle. I would say bottle water too but that may freeze in the vehicle. A couple of blankets in the vehicle is always a good thing. Bag of a cat litter
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I don't know where to start...
I think I will start putting film on the windows |
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Heat source with a way to ventilate
Repair any weak spot in yout roof now Generator and fuel, oil, spare parts etc... if you need it. Good sleeping bags Snow tires and chains. Tow straps, cable come along, shovel, and something to provide traction if you get stuck (ICE is your second biggest enemy down there) Couple salt bags Couple big sand bags if you have a two wheel drive High calorie foods Water source Savings so that if you have to miss work youre nor hurting too much. |
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As far as accuracy, I agree. skeeters are already dying down indicating a cold, early fall.
Edit to fix autocorrect function.
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If you're talking the really old series of Almanacs, they've been right on the general weather patterns every single year I can remember. They're usually spot on with weather systems too. If it calls for snow in an area from say, Tuesday the 10th until Saturday the 14th, you can bet that area will get snow within two days of the prediction, and that the amounts will be close and it'll last about that long. Same with spring and summer.
Grandparents ( mine were born from 1890-1900 ) used to use them to plant by, along with other natural signs. Even with modern weather forecasting in the 50s-70s, they never paid much attention to the weather man for anything more than additional information. I can't tell you what to do to prepare. I sort of know, but read the good info from the long time posters. I'm too broke to do much of it, but I do listen. |
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For the car: a quantity of cat litter. This is very helpful if you get stuck in snow...it helps you regain traction.
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i had enough of last years cold and snowy winter. this one needs to be more hot and humid
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I've always been curious how frequently that has been wrong. Anyone know? I don't mean whether it'll rain or not but rather seasonally. Apparantly it says it'll be a bad winter, ok...has it ever been predicted to be a bad winter and it was warm or mild? .................. -Emt1581 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Starting to get into prepping and I saw on the news that this upcoming winter is supposed to be harsh. What should I start prepping? I've always been curious how frequently that has been wrong. Anyone know? I don't mean whether it'll rain or not but rather seasonally. Apparantly it says it'll be a bad winter, ok...has it ever been predicted to be a bad winter and it was warm or mild? .................. -Emt1581 From a news article on Huffington Post's website. .....The almanac, which has about an 80 percent success rate in its forecasts, employs modern technology but still uses the "secret formula" that founder Robert Thomas devised in 1792. By combining the study of sunspots, prevailing weather patterns and basic meteorology, the almanac's weather staff comes up with a long-range forecast. The temperature deviations are based on 30-year averages compiled by government forecasters..... Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/farmers-almanac-cold-winter_n_5695761.html |
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http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=630815 Some good general info here. I love prepping for winter storms. Me and a winter storm is like GD and the zombie apocalypse. I'll be singing a different tune come next February though. One thing I will say is that I would really look into extra fuel for the generators this year. If we end up with a colder winter than last year's, we could be in for some real problems with the grid. We were dangerously close to a very large blackout last year during the cold snap that extended well into the south. |
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I just ordered some of the oil filled electric radiators. Already have a generator that will run the propane central furnace so I'm more worried about running out of propane due to the service issue like we had last year than a total melt down of no electric, no propane, or whatever else.
I'd love to put on a wood stove, but don't have the time to install or put up the wood every year. |
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Quoted: I just ordered some of the oil filled electric radiators. Already have a generator that will run the propane central furnace so I'm more worried about running out of propane due to the service issue like we had last year than a total melt down of no electric, no propane, or whatever else. I'd love to put on a wood stove, but don't have the time to install or put up the wood every year. View Quote Get extra igniters for your furnace. They go out a lot and are easy to replace. If you run a pilot, get extra thermocouplers. No reason to be without heat because of a stupid small repair you can fix yourself. People, SERIOUSLY, find yourselves some kerosene heaters. Put at least 20 gallons of kero, 2 heaters, and spare wicks in storage. They take no power, really don't fail unless you break the globe, spare parts are cheap, and they are stupid reliable. I live in MN, and can't imagine not having a backup heat source (although most people up here don't. Sheeple....), and kero is probably the perfect technology for emergency heat. Edit for grammar/spelling. Yikes. ETA: Link to archived discussion. We bought all these heaters used, and after a good cleaning and new wick were perfectly serviceable. We use them every winter. We paid the most for the perfection, but it was pretty and the Mrs liked it. |
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Snip View Quote Yep, electric heat is electric. I have to be over $2.40 a gallon for propane for Electric to pay for itself. House is only 15 years old and very tight. I'm only going to use them as a general back up. Also have some Dietz kerosene lanterns that also help. I'm a bit leery of a large kerosene heater since the house is so tight even with good CO detectors. |
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Besides a genset ,food, water (which have year round applications), I have a few backup heaters with fuel. A backup means of cooking if you have an electric stove. |
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Quoted: Yep, electric heat is electric. I have to be over $2.40 a gallon for propane for Electric to pay for itself. House is only 15 years old and very tight. I'm only going to use them as a general back up. Also have some Dietz kerosene lanterns that also help. I'm a bit leery of a large kerosene heater since the house is so tight even with good CO detectors. View Quote I guess being in the business of repairing electronics, I see how often they fail. Lots of parts/electronics in generators and furnaces, so I am am bitter to rely on them.
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I wouldn't worry. I run 2 detectors myself, just in case. The amount people generally go in and out of the house will provide fresh air, and if need be you can always crack a window just a bit. I guess being in the business of repairing electronics, I see how often they fail. Lots of parts/electronics in generators and furnaces, so I am am bitter to rely on them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yep, electric heat is electric. I have to be over $2.40 a gallon for propane for Electric to pay for itself. House is only 15 years old and very tight. I'm only going to use them as a general back up. Also have some Dietz kerosene lanterns that also help. I'm a bit leery of a large kerosene heater since the house is so tight even with good CO detectors. I guess being in the business of repairing electronics, I see how often they fail. Lots of parts/electronics in generators and furnaces, so I am am bitter to rely on them. I'm expecting another cold winter personally. Been real cool here in the midwest this year which has kept the lakes cool for the winter. It's surprising how much of a heat sink/radiator they are too our weather. Propane is the most economical for me. Our contracts are at $1.799 this year but they are limiting our contract volume to the average of the last three years due to the supply issues from last year. Everything else addition will be at market price and availability. . K1 in my area is also about $4. Which makes electric my second best and then heating with K1. I still have ~10 gal of K1 on hand just as a deep back up and can get more at the pump. |
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I don't have much to add to what was already said other than, if you burn wood then hopefully you already have extra wood stacked in (you should have at least a 2 year supply stacked in no matter what to ensure that you have dry, seasoned wood when needed). Me personally, I have enough wood that I can heat 100% with wood for years to come yet without cutting another piece.
Another piece of advice (great advice for wood-burners) wood-ash is one of the best traction aids I've found. I believe I was put onto this tip by this very forum a couple years ago and it has gotten me out of a pinch on a few occasions that I couldn't get enough traction to get going up a hill etc. I keep a small container of it (taped shut very well) in all the vehicles now. |
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Quoted: I'm expecting another cold winter personally. Been real cool here in the midwest this year which has kept the lakes cool for the winter. It's surprising how much of a heat sink/radiator they are too our weather. Propane is the most economical for me. Our contracts are at $1.799 this year but they are limiting our contract volume to the average of the last three years due to the supply issues from last year. Everything else addition will be at market price and availability. . K1 in my area is also about $4. Which makes electric my second best and then heating with K1. I still have ~10 gal of K1 on hand just as a deep back up and can get more at the pump. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yep, electric heat is electric. I have to be over $2.40 a gallon for propane for Electric to pay for itself. House is only 15 years old and very tight. I'm only going to use them as a general back up. Also have some Dietz kerosene lanterns that also help. I'm a bit leery of a large kerosene heater since the house is so tight even with good CO detectors. I guess being in the business of repairing electronics, I see how often they fail. Lots of parts/electronics in generators and furnaces, so I am am bitter to rely on them. I'm expecting another cold winter personally. Been real cool here in the midwest this year which has kept the lakes cool for the winter. It's surprising how much of a heat sink/radiator they are too our weather. Propane is the most economical for me. Our contracts are at $1.799 this year but they are limiting our contract volume to the average of the last three years due to the supply issues from last year. Everything else addition will be at market price and availability. . K1 in my area is also about $4. Which makes electric my second best and then heating with K1. I still have ~10 gal of K1 on hand just as a deep back up and can get more at the pump. |
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An electric radiator saved our ass last winter. Furnace quit on coldest day of 'Polar Vortex'. I had the wife and kids hunkered down in the spare bedroom in the basement with that radiator while worked on the furnace. Thankfully we still had electricity because that was our only back-up. Since then the 22 y/o furnace has been replaced, I have wood stored for the fireplace, and will be getting a non-electric back-up heater. Not sure on propane or Kero yet.
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I rent an apartment-style condo and have no way to store kerosene. Use of such is prohibited by condo association rules. I have a heavy down comforter, but need to get a sleeping bag. If the furnace went out, I'd head out to a friend's house.
I do need to stock up on canned goods, toilet paper, etc. It's always good to buy those things ahead of the winter, even if not really prepping, as carrying heavy/awkward items when the footing is slippery is bad. |
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I really want a wood stove for my house. I need to
start doing some reading and research here about what to buy. My cabin/BOL has 15 cords of wood on the ground, and I'd really like to start using more of it. |
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Rock Salt, if you wait till you need it, it'll be gone from the stores. I buy in bulk and keep it my garage in a plastic trash can, still in the bags so I can dispense it easier. I also keep a plastic can filled with it in my car so those times I'm in the parking spot from hell, rather than do the old spin and pray, I can drop some, have a smoke, and pull right out.
Keep in mind, what takes things out in the more southern states in a blizzard, isn't the snow or ice. Its the trees falling. That's what takes the power out and blocks roads. This is why axillary home heat is a very important thing. Now this a topic that can go multiple directions with pages of recommendations. What I will add here is if you are considering anything but whole home heat, whatever area heat you use will include where your pipes are or you'll have bigger problems when things thaw. My usual recommendation for folks just starting out for backup heat is a Kerosene Tower. It has a low capital cost to get started and the fuel is easily stored The towers put out enough heat to keep even a good sized house above freezing in most conditions and with frugal use 20 gallons of fuel (four 5 gallon cans), you can get about five days use. Once you cover whole house above freezing then you can concentrate on little room heaters like the Heater Buddy or smaller kerosene heaters etc. Keep in mind, other options like wood burning stoves or hopper pellet/coal stoves, though very good options, are more of a lifestyle choice. They require more fore planning and typically more labor. Just keep in mind, as in all things if you wait till you need it, odds are its too late. Gas stoves are a nice just in case option, however other than those that run off the little change it every so many hours camping cans, they usually involve a high capital cost, price of stove, piping, etc. and in extreme cases need to have a tank brought in and then have to deal with frequency of fill issues. In all my years, just once has a blizzard taken things out services for a long period. That was the Blizzard of 93' which we still talk about here. On the other hand, more mundane but way more often is the damn Central heat breaks down. When that happens, you have a lot more options on not only cost but what to do if you aren't rushed to gotta have it fixed right now or everything freezes. A lot of folks think of needing this or that in case of blizzard but one of the most common unanticipated needs is water. Forgetting for a minute you let your pipes freeze and burst if enough of your neighbors do it, that's enough to shut you down too. Also on the mundane duh level is the Redneck Refrigerator. I know it sounds duh? but you would be surprised how many folks I've seen over the years, the power goes in winter and their food spoils in their fridge or freezer when all they had to do is move the food outside on a porch or patio. Its nice to have porch thermometers. One of our favorites is a mount on the window digital you can read from inside where its warm. One of the most used things I have when there's a weather event and the power goes is a battery operated TV. Even in these days of smart phones, its still a go to. Waking up the morning after the blizzard to hear both of our snow plows were in a ditch somewhere was entertaining but it also told us, we weren't getting out anytime soon. It really is true a picture is worth a 1,000 words and more often than not while the dimwit girl on TV is saying "Should be OK", you'll find yourself going "No, that's going to take a while." Live picture, live radar, etc. live is just better. It also is something that can be shared to calm the whole family down. Now to keep in on the mundane, if you have a car, you have a way to charge DC gear. You'd be surprised years ago during a Hurricane in apartments how many people I had to tell such mundane things to. I've learned, they aren't stupid. People just go all deer in the headlights naturally when taken out of their comfort zones and simple things like use the creek water to flush your toilet become revelations. Now let's be honest here, only a fool is going to stay in his house and freeze to death. People will adapt and do what's needed. What we do by preparing is not as much insure our survival but insure we don't get that deer in the headlights syndrome by buying us some time to think. I've seen it first hand. Unprepared, peoples brains are being twisted every direction at once. Nobody wants to be the guy who did nothing as everything goes to hell around them but I'm here to tell you its just as bad to be the guy that jumps without thinking. If a person in a hurry after a blizzard ended up in a dtch trying to go buy batteries when he had a battery charger right in front of him the whole time, he wouldn't be the first, that's for sure. When I was younger, I use to take my truck and go rescue people from ditches during bad snow events. (I was mainly delivering meds to snowed in elderly folks.) I can easily say well over 90% of the people I had pulled out of ditches shouldn't the road and could not have been had they taken just minimal precautions and not panicked or saw it as some great adventure. I've told folks many times in such events its not the white snow that scares me, its the white knuckles, those knuckles white from the pressure on the steering wheels and those bulged darting eyes behind them. We have a lot of control over our lives but very little over others. One of my pet peeves here on the form is the impracticality of "Hermit Survival", the idea you can be all isolated and let the world go to hell around you. Nothing is more proof of how wrong that is than a prolonged weather event. You have something others don't and I swear its like magic how folks figure it out or find out. During Hurrican Alicia my neighbors found I had a way to flush my toilet and they were lined out to the street until I told them go the creek and flush your own which they thanked me like I was a genius or something. Then that line of help me went to a line of advise me. During the 93' Blizzard, I ran extension cords to my neighbors and gave them limited gen time to do this or that. Rather than have folks, quote "Visiting", I helped others with heaters etc. Others I simply has to say "no" but what I never did was not be sympathetic or not be willing to give advice on how to solve their delima. Most of the time by far, its that deer in the headlight thing and all folks need is someone to focus them. After all despite how popular it is on survival circles a loss of services is not the end of the world. We don't get to become instant Rambos or justify criminality. Its just the start of doing things differently is all. Tj |
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We have a gas boiler in our house. Backups include small electric heaters, propane and kerosene heaters. Kerosene heater works fine as long as I light it and extinguish it on the covered porch - this way I don't have smoke in the house.
We also have wool gloves, hats, and socks, as well as thermals for each member of the family. These are more for outdoor activities, but are backups to our backups. We also have good (not great) cold weather sleeping bags. Eventually, we'll add some sub-zero sleeping backs. OP, in all my preps, I try to have a minimum of two layers and in most things, I have 3 to 4 layers. A backup to my backup to my backup, if you will. |
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My extra water froze solid in my truck last year. Had food and blankets under the back seat along with plenty of lighters. Not sure what to do about the water though. Upon further thought I will toss some fire wood in the bed under the cover where it will keep dry and be ready for use. Probably 3 or 4 of those plastic wrapped bundles from the gas station.
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My extra water froze solid in my truck last year. Had food and blankets under the back seat along with plenty of lighters. Not sure what to do about the water though. Upon further thought I will toss some fire wood in the bed under the cover where it will keep dry and be ready for use. Probably 3 or 4 of those plastic wrapped bundles from the gas station. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote Maybe keeping the water in a cooler might insulate it enough to keep it from freezing. I assume you are talking about bottled water. |
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My extra water froze solid in my truck last year. Had food and blankets under the back seat along with plenty of lighters. Not sure what to do about the water though. Upon further thought I will toss some fire wood in the bed under the cover where it will keep dry and be ready for use. Probably 3 or 4 of those plastic wrapped bundles from the gas station. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote Keep it in a small cooler. I keep 8 bottles in my truck year round and never had a problem with freezing. It does get cold as dung in the middle of winter though. |
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So to recap:
CAR: Snow tires Hand warmers blankets in the vehicles quantity of cat litter Couple salt bags High calorie foods Water in cooler Salt Shovel Flashlights/batteries in Car AT HOME: Good sleeping bags (or is this for the car?) Water Candles Flashlights/batteries at Home Radios Heat source with a way to ventilate: Kero, wood or Propane IF Kero heaters, 20 gallons of kero, and spare wicks ALWAYS good CO detectors Gas for the snow blower Generator and fuel, oil, spares Anything else? |
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How about a tarp for the vehicle?
If you need to change a tire or other repair on the side of the road it might be better to put a tarp on the ground than working right on the ground. If traveling in isolated areas maybe a bright orange tarp would be a good idea for being found if you get stranded.Draped over the hood or roof. Simple 5 pound weights tied on each corner to hold it in place. 100 feet of paracord. Duct tape and a few rolls of electrical tape. Can make emergency radiator hose repairs. A canteen cup you can at least melt snow on the engine if you had to also can gather radiator water from ditch or stream. How about an old cell phone and charger cord for the cig lighter. Doesn't have to be an active phone cause it will still call 911. |
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Quoted: Suggestions? Pan on Kero heater? Fireplace/Wood Stove pots or camping propane stove? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I didn't see cooking w/o power. Suggestions? Pan on Kero heater? Fireplace/Wood Stove pots or camping propane stove? I am bias to kero as it is stupid simple technology that simply works. Nothign fancy to make it function (parts wise: regs, fittings, hoses, etc.). Downside is that you have some smoke on startup/shutdown with most appliances. Propane is great as a "primary" backup, but I keep a kero butterfly stove around because it is basically just an oil lamp on steroids. Propane is great for heating/cooking something up indoors right now. Wood anything is horridly inefficient, and can easily create unneeded heat in many situations, unless you have the stove going anyway, of course! Your call, of course. Our setup for emergency cooking, in order of what we do first. Note: We have all electric appliances in the house. Move to RV (unless winterized at the time). Everything is propane/battery and is super easy to transition to. Propane camp stove (indoor usable) Kerosene stove (start in the porch, then indoor usable) Grill (if during summer, is bumped way up). Our grill burns wood or charcoal. Alcohol fuel stove (indoor usable, but barely boils water) DIY a rocket stove open fire burning sticks
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