so someone infected and sneezing in an area with other people elevator/airplane/crowd/in the line to check out at walmart would be a bad thing



 

Possibly, but not necessarily. Once again, that article does NOT provide proof of transmission by sneeze, cough, etc.

Read up on what a fomite is.

I have worked in animal labs. Crap gets everywhere, even with a clean lab and well-behaved animals like mice. Monkeys would be 1,000 times worse.

It would involve holing up in your house for weeks and months while the disease burns itself out and cutting off any social contact
Most people wouldn't be able to do it due to on-going income requirements, even if they had the preps on hand to sit out the contagion.

Even in West Africa which has no experience dealing with Ebola, the disease has only infected a very small fraction of the population. It is frightening because of the fatality rate, but your chances of getting it are pretty remote if one takes even very minimal precautions.

sexual contact also spreads it.

Imagine the scenario: it's 2016 and the DNC is holding their big convention. The Media trumpets gleefully how cool, hip, and awesome it is that 10,000 'sex workers' are mobilizing to 'service' all the delegates. Huge parties are thrown.

On night 1 in a dozen nightclubs several ebola carriers get it on with dozens of individuals.
On night 2 they repeat their performance and every day that week while consuming copious amounts of legal and illegal substances - so they feel ill when it's over but that's to be expected. Hundreds to thousands of the most important players in our representative class are now infected but don't know it. They come home and get it on with their home team groupies and swingers and clubs and hangers on.... who likewise share it sexually with all their contacts.

By week 2 the first carriers are showing up at clinics and hospitals but the virus is now spreading among both political parties and among K-street lobbyists and all the various higher echelon civil servants in DC....

By week 4 the first signs of serious problem come out as pages, staff, and secretaries, delegates and lobbyists start calling in sick. By then it's already too late as the numbers of infected are in the 10,000 range across all of NOVA, DC, and Maryland.

a good place to start:

Good article on SHTFPLAN, what to do before the panic:

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-new...tarts_08062014

The Ebola virus is spreading and no one in any position of authority is releasing information to the public about how serious of a contagion this is.
It was just a few weeks ago that the CDC and mainstream media claimed it wouldn’t make it to U.S. shores, but as of this morning, reports are flowing in from all over the country from hospitals that have admitted patients who recently traveled to Africa and are showing possible symptoms of the deadly virus.
In Nigeria, where there have only been a couple of deaths reported officially, the medical community has formally requested help in the form of experimental serums from the United States, suggesting things are much worse there than are being reported.
Moreover, the World Health Organization reports an explosion in confirmed cases over the last 48 hours.
An analysis of confirmed cases from Joshua Krause at The Daily Sheeple suggests that, while the virus almost died out back in April, it is now back with a vengeance and growing at a seemingly exponential rate.
What’s most bizarre and frustrating about all of this is that neither the U.S. government or the Centers for Disease Control have provided any actionable information or advice to the American public. They maintain that they have the facilities to stop any such outbreak and continue to tout the narrative that there is nothing to fear, because they have it all under control.
Should even one single case pop up in a random U.S. city, that narrative will fall apart instantly. If someone in Georgia, Ohio, New York or any other state checked themselves into a hospital and are found to be infected with Ebola it will prove without a shadow of a doubt that all CDC containment efforts have failed.
In such an instance where Ebola is found to be in the “wild” anywhere in the continental United States you can be certain that panic will follow.
Take a look at the following photo. It was taken last week in Toledo about an hour after the city announced that their water supply had been contaminated with toxins:
Notice how every drop of pure H2O has been removed from the shelves.
Imagine for a moment what grocery store shelves, pharmacies and hardware supply stores are going to look like within 12 hours of an Ebola infection or outbreak being announced on U.S. soil.
Things will happen fast.
Now, for all we know the CDC’s containment efforts are successful, and perhaps Ebola will be stopped in its tracks. But being naturally skeptical of our government’s abilities to mitigate such a virus, especially given the lack of any actual information from the CDC or government, we must assume that Ebola will eventually start popping up in the United States.
When it does, the CDC and Homeland Security will likely announce a number of precautions that we need to take. Those precautions are going to include supply lists and strategies.
Guess what 300 million Americans are going to do all at once when those supply lists and recommendation are announced? ( Look no further than the DHS Fukushima radiation announcement and how it affected the supply and price of potassium iodide)
Here’s the bottom line: If you don’t have your supplies before emergency announcements hit the airwaves, then plan on going without.
If you want to take action ahead of millions of panicked Americans, then we urge you to follow the recommendations below. They come from informed sources and will be very similar to what the government will recommend in the event of an Ebola outbreak or pandemic emergency.
Emergency services professional Tess Pennington, author of The Prepper’s Blueprint, explains that the government will have specific protocols to follow on local, state and federal levels, and they’ll include widespread shutdowns:
Understanding that our lives will change drastically if the population is faced with a pandemic and being prepared for this can help you make better choices toward the well being of your family. Some changes could be:
-Challenges or shut downs of business commerce
-Breakdown of our basic infrastructure: communications, mass transportation, supply chains
-Payroll service interruptions
-Staffing shortages in hospitals and medical clinics
-Interruptions in public facilities – Schools, workplaces may close, and public gatherings such as sporting events or worship services may close temporarily.
-Government mandated voluntary or involuntary home quarantine.
Essentially, once this happens the whole system could potentially go into lock-down.
The Organic Prepper and author of The Pantry Primer says that in this environment that you must take the No One Goes Out, No One Comes In approach in order to be absolutely certain no one in your household is exposed.
I know this sounds harsh, but there are to be no exceptions. If you make exceptions, you might as well go wrestle with runny-nosed strangers at the local Wal-Mart and then come home and hug your children, because it’s the same thing.
Once you have gone into lockdown mode, that means that the supplies you have on hand are the supplies you have to see you through. You can’t run out to the store and get something you’ve forgotten.
That means if a family member shows up, they have to go into quarantine for at least 4 weeks, during which time they are not allowed access to the home or family, nor are they allowed to go out in public. Set up an area on your property that is far from your home for them to hang out for their month of quarantine. If at the end of the month they are presenting no symptoms, then they can come in.
It sadly means that you may be forced to turn someone away if they are ill, because to help them means to risk your family.
Now is the time to plan with your preparedness group how you intend to handle the situation. Will you shelter together, in the same location, and reserve a secondary location to retreat to if the situation worsens further or if someone becomes ill? Will you shelter separately because of the nature of the emergency? Decide together on what event and proximity will trigger you to go into lockdown mode. Make your plan and stick to it, regardless of pressure from those who think you are over-reacting, the school that your children have stopped attending, and any other external influences. If you’ve decided that there is a great enough risk that you need to go into lockdown, you must adhere to your plan.
Full Article
Here’s a basic supply list, provided by The Organic Prepper, of items you’ll need to weather a pandemic emergency:

   Drinking water (1 gallon per person per day)
   Food (including items that don’t require fuel for preparation)
   Heavy duty garbage bags
   Sanitation supplies such as toilet paper, paper towels, baby wipes, and feminine hygiene supplies)
   Entertainment – you’ll want to be able to keep children and restless family members busy so get craft supplies, books, games, and puzzles
   Basic medical supplies (here’s a list)
   Pandemic kits that contain protective clothing (we have a QuakeKare Deluxe Pandemic Flu Kit for each family member)
   Extra N95 masks (3M 1860 Health Care N95 Particulate Respirator and Surgical Mask, Small Adult, 20/Bx)
   Nitrile gloves (Dynarex Black Nitrile Exam Gloves, Heavy-Duty, Powder Free, Large, Box/100)
   Safety goggles with an elastic band to ensure a snug fit (Pyramex V2G Safety Eyewear, Clear Anti-Fog Lens With Black Strap/Temples)
   Antibacterial cleaners such as disposable wipes, bleach, and spray cleaners
   Antibacterial hand sanitizer (Purell Pump Bottle, Original, 8 Ounce (Pack of 12))


Those items should help with prevention, especially if you take the advice of locking down and staying home.
However, we must assume that some of us, for whatever reason, will still have to make our way out into public. And with that assumption, we must also expect the absolute worst case scenario – an infection or suspected infection within in our own ranks.
If you must venture outside then take a look at what medical personnel are sporting in highly contagious environments:

If you’re forced to exit your home, you’re going to want to be fully protected, and that includes covering your hands, eyes, nose, and mouth.
In addition to the N-95 respirator masks mentioned above, you may also consider upgrading to the more expensive N-100 respirators recommended by the World Health Organization.
Or, go with a full facemask. Insofar as your preparedness efforts are concerned, you may also be able to kill two birds with one stone here and go with a full face mask that includes NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) protection like the US-made NATO SGE 400/3 Military Gas Mask. If going with such a mask, be sure to include some NBC filters.
For protection inside of your home, Tess Pennington of Ready Nutrition recommendsbuilding a sick room that can be used to isolate suspected infections or even to be used as a quarantine/observation area for friends and family who may be coming to your home as part of your group lockdown plan.
Building a sick room may include supplies like:

   Heavy Duty Plastic Sheeting to go over doors, windows or other potential airborne entry points (4 millimeter home coverall)
   Duct tape
   Portable toilet if one is not attached directly to the sick room (Luggable Loo)
   Disposable trash and toilet bags *Note: Waste must be disposed of properly because it may be contaminated*
   Click here for a complete list of items for a well stocked sick room


The takeaway here is this: You cannot depend on the government to give you accurate information until it is too late. Moreover, emergency services personnel will be overwhelmed and you will have only yourself and those in your lockdown group to depend on.
Plan on no outside help.
That means you need to have food, water, and other supplies on hand. Additionally, if we have a widespread emergency that brings down the commerce system you may need to head out to barter and trade with others for necessary supplies that may have been overlooked. In such an instance you may also want to have some precious metals on hand for trade. The Silver.com price for silver today is about $20. It may be a good time to stock up on some emergency ‘cash’ like silver eagles or pre-1965 US quarters and half-dollars which contain 90% silver. These trade instruments are recognizable and may come in handy.
Prepare now, because as we have seen with disasters past, waiting to do so until after the announcements are made will be too late.

The US health care workers who contracted Ebola were taking all of the recommended precautions, yet were still infected. The norm fatality rate was 90%+, but has fallen to less than 60%. The incubation period was also on the short end of the 1-3 week scale; days not weeks. The high mortality rate is what enabled it to be more easily contained and less contagious. It has either mutated or better treatment has reduced mortality rates. Either way, the contagiousness has increased, simply due to the longer exposure period. The newest outbreak is causing unrest and straining already poorly equipped and funded regional health care. Unrest often causes fleeing refugees, who travel outside their home range. The sky is not falling, but this is a nasty bug.

Prayers to the victims offered.

We can only hope.

Soooo, Arfcommer's are protected by "situational immunity"?

I picked up a couple of bottles today.
Would the unscented variety work
for water purification?   I just looked
at the active ingredient, Sodium
Dichloroisacyanurate, I think it is.
(Small print, of course).
So I suppose not, correct?

Thanks for the heads up. It will be a
compact cleaning solution, at least,
which I agree that it will be a very
important item to have grid down.

Later!

John

I just got c-diff and it sucks. Dr said only 2 antibiotics will kill it. Id made sure your prepared for the smaller things before ever worrying about ebola.

Please check the expiration dates on your bleach and bleach tabs.  Bleach loses it germicidal killing abilities after a year.

Sodium Hypochlorite solution,  6%  appears to be quite shelf stable over a 5 year time period.
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What degree of degradation are you  seeing in your stock?

The problem with Ebola is incubation time of up to 21 days. Who did you bump into or have dinner with 3 weeks ago? Who coughed or sneezed around you?

That is the kicker, people can be carriers and have no clue. Once/If it confirmed cases pop in a city with a major airport (anywhere in the world) that is when the world will freak. That is why in Africa there has been minimal concerns, so far it has not spread to a major populous just isolated areas, now that it is in Nigeria though, that could change.

the real danger i think is not from the disease itself, but from the reaction of our fellow idiots.

if you were a terrorist leader, what would you be thinking right now?   instead of suicide bombers, i should send a few people to africa, have them rub the dead bodies then go to mexico and walk across the non-existent southern border (or heck, fly through JFK; it's not like they can detect ebola on the naked body scanner)  and then go visit as many elementary schools as they can before they collapse

i don't know.  it took me about 30 seconds to think of that after the first ebola news report i read a few weeks ago.  surely people who have nothing better to do but goats and sit around thinking of ways to cause the world grief have already thought of it weeks ago.   costs almost nothing, practically undetectable.  maybe it's more complicated than i've described but it seems almost certain they would put this plan in motion already

of course, if they were particularly devious, they' hit a school in atlanta first, which would completely destroy the CDC's credibility (hanging by a thread already) and effectively sideline them.

Distance and isolation.....



If its close; masks, gloves and the ability to clean/burn anything making contact with 'the public.'

$2.97 at walmart
$9.01 at amazon

RGF makes the REME air cleaner that kills bacteria, mold, and viruses in all the treated air and hard surfaces in contact with that air. It installs in your home/office/school/whatever HVAC system.

that would have been a great start



 

You'd be Ebola free so long as it doesn't start getting transmitted in a different way.   It's happened before - everyone seems to keep forgetting that.


If you can avoid going out for non-essential errands, and your work doesn't bring you into close contact with a lot of people, then you wouldn't have much to worry about.

This just in: It's officially serious.

This.

That's why I'm trying to stockpile for a three to six-month stay at home.

Not that I think I'd want to live in a world where 90% of the people have been wiped out...

So Walmart is the way to go then. I've seen them sometimes at dollar tree type stores. Got to remember to stock up when I see them.
FerFAL

Don't look there...

Look what the other hands are doing....

Freak......minus......5.....4....3....2.....

Ebola in Dallas.....FO?

I just ordered a roll of this to wrap around my perimeter in case it gets to the point where I prefer no uninvited guests

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008UB8FDA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



its bilingual to prevent any confusion

Might not be a good thing when they come by with the flamethrowers....We've all seen those movies.

bump

Good bump.  

What disturbs me most about a healthcare worker contracting the disease is this: you have to presume that the hospital in Dallas where the man was being treated, provided the appropriate PPE to the staff caring for him.

Despite the appropriate PPE, good hand washing, etc., the healthcare worker still came down with Ebola.  This virus is nothing to mess around with.