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Posted: 4/15/2014 11:26:52 PM EDT
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I would worry about far more likely stuff first like a storm, tornado, or job loss first. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:50:58 AM EDT
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I'd do the following:
1)I'd worry about having my life in order and enjoying the present. Have a great relationship with my wife, keep both of us happy, have lots of sex and truly enjoy every moment. I'd take a good long look at how good or bad a parent I am, be honest with myself about the things I could do better and work on that. Teach my kids useful skills, yesterday we practiced staring fires with firesteels and carving with knives, but more important just spend time with them and also understand what they like, like I did just a minute ago explaining my son what "Grub Killer", a character in the Gears of War videogame, probably means. Survival means little if your life isnt work living so quality of life is very important. 2)Worry about my health and fitness level first. A heart attack, high blood pressure, stroke or some other illness are far more likely to kill you than a nuke, there is a lot that can be done so as to minimize the chances of suffering most of the common illnesses and far to few people prepare in that regard. 3)Then I'd worry about being set for far more likely disasters such as storms, fires, job loss, crime. Only then would I worry about nukes, which I do, but living west and upwind from anything worth dropping a a nuke on means I dont worry that much about that and yes, I did look into it before actually moving so not being downwind from potential targets isnt a matter of luck. 
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Posted: 4/16/2014 8:22:55 AM EDT
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I have a copy of the 1988 Kearny Nuclear War Survival Guide kicking around somewhere. (Free download on the web. Just search for it.)
Much more in-depth reading to get you the basic knowledge. It's worth reading once. I stop short of actually doing any pre-arranging of things that don't cover other primary uses first. I don't have a hole to jump into for example. I'll probably read this one too, but not do anything that doesn't have a dual purpose.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 8:25:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2014 9:51:06 AM EDT
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I have a copy of the 1988 Kearny Nuclear War Survival Guide kicking around somewhere. (Free download on the web. Just search for it.) Much more in-depth reading to get you the basic knowledge. I've read that also, and while more in depth it doesnt tell the story as well - its much more disjointed and less procedural. I found this to be much more readable and much more of a direct answer to the question of what to do. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 10:03:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryPretty much. I work about three blocks from the Capitol, so you know... 
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Posted: 4/16/2014 10:13:53 AM EDT
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The problem is that its not as easy as saying "I don't live downwind of any major targets so I don't need to worry about it". On April 25th 1953 a nuclear bomb that was detonated in a Nevada desert caused fallout 2300 miles away in Troy, NY because it rained in Troy that day. Meet Simon. The 11,000 lb nuclear bomb was detonated amongst the sand and rocky crags of the Nevada desert the morning of April 25, 1953. Thirty-six hours later and 2,300 miles away, rain poured from the sky onto our humble city, Troy, NY. Forty-eight hours later the Geiger counters in the lab of Rensselaer chemistry professor Herbert Clark were crackling away at surprising levels. The counters closest to the outside wall picked up background radiation levels three times greater than the normal rate of 30 counts/min. http://approach.rpi.edu/2009/09/09/nuclear-fallout-in-troy/ Tim G. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:28:51 PM EDT
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If you survive, you deal with it.
Otherwise, non issue. And in a reality based view, so far down the list of crap that can happen, or go wrong, it aint funny. Has it happened? Yes. But, NO ONE in Fukishima or Chernoybl, regardless of prep status, did anything other than A) Die, B) Get out of Dodge. so, in case of A, I'm good. In case of B, I gots a bag, and the ability to think on my feet.. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:09:07 PM EDT
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If you survive, you deal with it. Otherwise, non issue. And in a reality based view, so far down the list of crap that can happen, or go wrong, it aint funny. Has it happened? Yes. But, NO ONE in Fukishima or Chernoybl, regardless of prep status, did anything other than A) Die, B) Get out of Dodge. so, in case of A, I'm good. In case of B, I gots a bag, and the ability to think on my feet.. You are now dead. Congrats. For the tl;dr crowd one of the key findinga is that attempting to leave either on foot or in a car is the worst possible decision. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:30:44 PM EDT
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I keep my ass clean, so that when it happens, I can bend over and kiss my ass good bye.
This way, the last thing on earth that I taste isn't poop. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:05:49 PM EDT
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Is the link dead for everyone else? I would like to read this.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:24:42 PM EDT
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Nuclear war preps were a normal, natural part of survivalism and preparedness up till around 2004-2005.
So many of the new crowd think the only possibility or problem to address is just "X" and so they only focus on preparing for "X". That is if they really prepare at all, or it's just academic study and reading of cute fiction stories on line. We need to prepare for multiple scenarios, not just our "pet" scenario or the one we feel the most likely right this second. And we don't need to fall into the trap of being "scared" of certain scenarios, we just need to do some simple preps. We should never prepare out of fear, but to stick our heads up our asses and just think nothing like this could ever happen isn't what a true survivalist does. "The prudent man foresees dangers and hides himself, the FOOL continues on..." type of deal. Part of good nuclear preps are a big part of just your general common sense preparedness plan- stay away from target areas, food and water, quality shelter, etc. Preps specific to NBC aren't going to set you back all that much and some can be improvised (not the ideal situation but possible). Lowdown3 |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:27:03 PM EDT
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The way the world is going today, I would be thinking about this more.
Sure I have rad meters, dosimeters, and a way to build a expedient fallout shelter, but in honesty if you are IN a city, and you didn't die in the blast, you are probably in pretty bad shape. As the ring goes out your chances of survival are much better. One would need to monitor radiation levels, keep a log of your exposure, and find a way to keep sheltered from any fallout or radiation in the near future. Its good to read up on this stuff, it may never happen, but its something to be aware of. Being in good shape may help here some, keeping some KI may help some, Having a way to shelter is a big help. Its all about layers of preparedness. Would also like to see the original link. Edited to add: What Lowdown3 said, it seems to have fallen out of vogue to even think about NBC preps anymore.. and it is a real issue to prep for. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:19:52 PM EDT
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Is the link dead for everyone else? I would like to read this. Holy shit they took it down. guess it has to be re-posted on wikileaks now? I have the file but I have no place to post it. IM me an email address if you want - it's 11 MB |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:24:20 PM EDT
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Nuclear war preps were a normal, natural part of survivalism and preparedness up till around 2004-2005. So many of the new crowd think the only possibility or problem to address is just "X" and so they only focus on preparing for "X". That is if they really prepare at all, or it's just academic study and reading of cute fiction stories on line. We need to prepare for multiple scenarios, not just our "pet" scenario or the one we feel the most likely right this second. And we don't need to fall into the trap of being "scared" of certain scenarios, we just need to do some simple preps. We should never prepare out of fear, but to stick our heads up our asses and just think nothing like this could ever happen isn't what a true survivalist does. "The prudent man foresees dangers and hides himself, the FOOL continues on..." type of deal. Part of good nuclear preps are a big part of just your general common sense preparedness plan- stay away from target areas, food and water, quality shelter, etc. Preps specific to NBC aren't going to set you back all that much and some can be improvised (not the ideal situation but possible). Lowdown3 Do you recall the "stop preparing for YOUR gunfight and start preparing for the Bad-Guys gun fight" thread a few years back - that really opened my eyes to the preconceived notions we all have about what will go down and how we'll be the masters of it. bullshit. it will go down in some fucked up way you never imagined, and realizing that is the first step to being ready. I stopped carrying in a dayplanner and started carrying in a much faster deployment manner after that thread, and similarly, the "type" of disaster is going to vary too! like on that "doomsday preppers" show - "subject X is preparing for ..." and they list ONE thing. its like a total tunnel vision. I'm ready for a yellowstone supervolcano. ok great, what about when the nuke hits or when your house burns down? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 10:52:27 PM EDT
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Not too worried about your OP, but I am concerned about a Fukishima-style melt-down. We gots lots of nuclear reactors around.
How about SCRAM? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 6:41:46 AM EDT
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Do you recall the "stop preparing for YOUR gunfight and start preparing for the Bad-Guys gun fight" thread a few years back - that really opened my eyes to the preconceived notions we all have about what will go down and how we'll be the masters of it. bullshit. it will go down in some fucked up way you never imagined, and realizing that is the first step to being ready. I stopped carrying in a dayplanner and started carrying in a much faster deployment manner after that thread, and similarly, the "type" of disaster is going to vary too! like on that "doomsday preppers" show - "subject X is preparing for ..." and they list ONE thing. its like a total tunnel vision. I'm ready for a yellowstone supervolcano. ok great, what about when the nuke hits or when your house burns down? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nuclear war preps were a normal, natural part of survivalism and preparedness up till around 2004-2005. So many of the new crowd think the only possibility or problem to address is just "X" and so they only focus on preparing for "X". That is if they really prepare at all, or it's just academic study and reading of cute fiction stories on line. We need to prepare for multiple scenarios, not just our "pet" scenario or the one we feel the most likely right this second. And we don't need to fall into the trap of being "scared" of certain scenarios, we just need to do some simple preps. We should never prepare out of fear, but to stick our heads up our asses and just think nothing like this could ever happen isn't what a true survivalist does. "The prudent man foresees dangers and hides himself, the FOOL continues on..." type of deal. Part of good nuclear preps are a big part of just your general common sense preparedness plan- stay away from target areas, food and water, quality shelter, etc. Preps specific to NBC aren't going to set you back all that much and some can be improvised (not the ideal situation but possible). Lowdown3 Do you recall the "stop preparing for YOUR gunfight and start preparing for the Bad-Guys gun fight" thread a few years back - that really opened my eyes to the preconceived notions we all have about what will go down and how we'll be the masters of it. bullshit. it will go down in some fucked up way you never imagined, and realizing that is the first step to being ready. I stopped carrying in a dayplanner and started carrying in a much faster deployment manner after that thread, and similarly, the "type" of disaster is going to vary too! like on that "doomsday preppers" show - "subject X is preparing for ..." and they list ONE thing. its like a total tunnel vision. I'm ready for a yellowstone supervolcano. ok great, what about when the nuke hits or when your house burns down? Don't know the specific thread your talking about but I can tell you that it's easy to get people to want to do "modern technique" square range gun training wherein they are standing tall and ready, draw at the buzzer, stand in the exact same place and shoot two rounds in the target then pat themselves on the back. It's much easier to get people to do this than it is to START drills with an airsoft to the back of your head and you have to work from there. But it's the REACTIVE fight that we as civilians will probably be in versus the proactive fight. Yet few are willing to START a drill mounted on the ground getting pummeled George Zimmerman style and work from there.Or start from a position wherein they are being choked. Nope, instead people want to throw out things like "I'm always in condition yellow" and similar BS wherein they believe they will NEVER be caught off guard, etc. Bullshit. It's the American mindset of believing you can/will always be in control of a situation and never be behind the curve. That's not realistic, and people that are only training for one thing, be it either a PROACTIVE gunfight or just preparing for ONE scenario, aren't really taking things seriously as they should. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:41:27 AM EDT
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Is the link dead for everyone else? I would like to read this. The report (and many others) is on the FAS website. Google "National Capital Region Key Response Planning Factors for the Aftermath of Nuclear Terrorism". The FAS PDF is the first entry for me. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:39:30 AM EDT
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Like it has already been pointed out.
Any major nuke event is bad news for the prepared and non-prepared alike. Dirty bombs, distance is your friend just hope your up wind, a major nuke exchange, we're all domed. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:49:10 AM EDT
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Me? In all reality probably die.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:57:23 PM EDT
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You are now dead. Congrats. For the tl;dr crowd one of the key findinga is that attempting to leave either on foot or in a car is the worst possible decision. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you survive, you deal with it. Otherwise, non issue. And in a reality based view, so far down the list of crap that can happen, or go wrong, it aint funny. Has it happened? Yes. But, NO ONE in Fukishima or Chernoybl, regardless of prep status, did anything other than A) Die, B) Get out of Dodge. so, in case of A, I'm good. In case of B, I gots a bag, and the ability to think on my feet.. You are now dead. Congrats. For the tl;dr crowd one of the key findinga is that attempting to leave either on foot or in a car is the worst possible decision. Doubtful. I am willing to bet I have more NBC training than you. I know what to do, what will and won't work, and most of the why's too.. Guess what my secondary MOS was for 26 years... |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:30:36 PM EDT
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Like it has already been pointed out. Any major nuke event is bad news for the prepared and non-prepared alike. Dirty bombs, distance is your friend just hope your up wind, a major nuke exchange, we're all domed. No we're not - read "You Will Survive Doomsday" by Bruce Clayton or even "How to be a Survivor" by Heinlein. Nukes ain't magic, sucks, yes, but I'd prefer to deal with a large nuke exchange rather than a nasty pandemic. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:32:39 PM EDT
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everything you need to know is in these two threads: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/618130__ARCHIVED_THREAD____today_s_hypothetical_scenario_tac_nuke_goes_off_25_miles_away__your_next_10_moves__WITH_HOW_TO___.html and http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/607398__ARCHIVED_THREAD____today_s_hypothetical_scenario__tac_nuke_goes_off_25_miles_away__your_next_10_moves__UPDATES__PG_4_.html ar-jedi |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:56:57 PM EDT
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If I'm lucky I will die.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:26:51 PM EDT
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If I'm lucky I will die. I just don't get that - what makes a nuke worse than the plague? Economic collapse? Tyrannical government and gulags? Being underneath a tornado? All offer really nasty ways to die, a number of them slow and painful - would you rather be dead than chance all of those? To paraphrase Heinlein, when the Grim Reaper comes for me and mine, I'll be gouging eyes and kicking balls the whole way. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:47:39 PM EDT
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I'll have front row seats working in between White House and Capitol
 . So I'll probably be vaporized.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:43:41 PM EDT
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45 miles from the center of research for nuclear power in teh world. We do weapon's grade crap in accordance with treaties. I'm ready for the next life.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:09:44 PM EDT
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I'm in Miami and I have more to worry about than a nuke.
If it comes down to that, then oh-well. Chris |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:37:31 AM EDT
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I hope to be at ground zero and made into ashes in order to avoid the poopstorm that will immediately follow.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 9:04:45 AM EDT
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Email copyvhere at ar15 please [email protected]
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:32:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:55:04 PM EDT
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I learned to duck and cover in grade school and to love the bomb. What more could you ask for?
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:59:44 PM EDT
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The report (and many others) is on the FAS website. Google "National Capital Region Key Response Planning Factors for the Aftermath of Nuclear Terrorism". The FAS PDF is the first entry for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is the link dead for everyone else? I would like to read this. The report (and many others) is on the FAS website. Google "National Capital Region Key Response Planning Factors for the Aftermath of Nuclear Terrorism". The FAS PDF is the first entry for me. Here: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dhs/fema/ncr.pdf |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:01:32 PM EDT
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Far enough away from a major city to not have to worry about blast, only fallout. Multistory house with a metal roof helps with that. Staying on the bottom floor for awhile puts distance + mass between us and the dust, should be OK.
I'm not going anywhere. The LAST thing I want to do is try and run and get stuck in traffic in the inevitable mass exodus on the freeways trying to escape the fallout - as it blows all over you. No, we'll hunker down for a few days and enjoy the suck. Enough food and water to last quite a while, Masks and other PPE to venture out after a few days when it's time to start cleaning up. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 7:38:37 AM EDT
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Thanks OP. The links in the first post are gtg.
I'm surprised by the number of people who have the attitude that it can't happen. Obviously you prepare for the most likely threats first, but what I've found is that as I have prepared for the more likely, local and regional events (e.g., financial issues, weather issues, chemical spills, etc), I am actually fairly well prepared for the, lesser likely, more wide spread/national events and just need to buy some specialized items. So in reality, b/c of my preps for more highly probable events, prepping for the nuclear event is a) not a lot of work and b) not too expensive to do. I'd be foolish not to do it. |
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