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Posted: 11/10/2013 11:22:48 AM

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What I suspect is that burning four candles in the morning and four in the afternoon is raising the ambient temperature by about 15 degrees all day long, extrapolating from the math posted above and assuming we're heating an average British apartment (just under 1000sqf. I looked it up).

Given that room temperature in the UK is about 65F on average, I think we can all see where the mistakes come in.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 11:27:43 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Cymro:
I'm currently involved in an online argument with someone who insists that this thing works by channeling radiant heat and using it more efficiently, similar to the way a terracotta or cast iron woodstove does.

In doing some research to defend my own claims, I came across a snazzy quote from the creator of the device:

"Candle Holder does not "make” additional heat — what it does is short stop the loss of heat to the ceiling and creates a radiant heater at
table level. And it is almost always guys who over analyze this simple
device.” -Doyle Doss, inventor

Discuss.
Looking at the design, that does seem to be the point of the two flower pots. Make the air move around enough the pots get hot too, which then radiate infra-red radiant heat into the room.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 11:29:38 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Cymro:
What I suspect is that burning four candles in the morning and four in the afternoon is raising the ambient temperature by about 15 degrees all day long, extrapolating from the math posted above and assuming we're heating an average British apartment (just under 1000sqf. I looked it up).

Given that room temperature in the UK is about 65F on average, I think we can all see where the mistakes come in.


Keep in mind that the inventor in the video was in a room that was about 200-300 sqft. My master bathroom is larger than his "apartment." I don't remeber anyone making claims on a 1,000 sqft apt.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 11:29:52 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MrHunterAZ:
Originally Posted By Cymro:
I'm currently involved in an online argument with someone who insists that this thing works by channeling radiant heat and using it more efficiently, similar to the way a terracotta or cast iron woodstove does.

In doing some research to defend my own claims, I came across a snazzy quote from the creator of the device:

"Candle Holder does not "make” additional heat — what it does is short stop the loss of heat to the ceiling and creates a radiant heater at
table level. And it is almost always guys who over analyze this simple
device.” -Doyle Doss, inventor

Discuss.


I would think that there would be some loss of energy in heating the clay pots up. I would imagine any benefit of diffussing the heat would be negated by the loss of having to transfer the energy into the pot in the first place?
Energy is neither created nor destroyed unless you are doing nuclear reactions.

What occurs is the pots heat up slowly, and then radiate slowly. (And from my other post, in a different form of energy.)

The amount of heat is the same, but the amount of USABLE heat might be higher with the pots over them.

Also, it seems like that arrangement might be a lot safer than a dozen little candles all over the place with exposed flame.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 11:49:50 AM

It's common sense that it won't work in any cold climate. I have a 23k BTU kero heater in the basement. Last night it took 5 hours to raise the temp from 64 to 70 with an outdoor temp of low to mid 30s. No way would tea candles and clay pots work to heat my basement, but someone commented this can be used in a greenhouse to prevent a freeze. Now that I'm going to try.


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Posted: 11/10/2013 11:50:34 AM
It really is quite simple. Clay pots will heat up much like dirt or rocks out in the wilderness. Instead of all the heat rising to the top, it's at a lower level where you can feel it when it gives off heat in the form of radiation. It's just a more efficient way to keep heat down low by you.

The best things you can always do is set up screens to direct radiation and insulate to keep heat in.

Basically this is 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 12:13:16 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MrHunterAZ:
Originally Posted By Cymro:
What I suspect is that burning four candles in the morning and four in the afternoon is raising the ambient temperature by about 15 degrees all day long, extrapolating from the math posted above and assuming we're heating an average British apartment (just under 1000sqf. I looked it up).

Given that room temperature in the UK is about 65F on average, I think we can all see where the mistakes come in.


Keep in mind that the inventor in the video was in a room that was about 200-300 sqft. My master bathroom is larger than his "apartment." I don't remeber anyone making claims on a 1,000 sqft apt.


That only magnifies my point. Perhaps I wasn't clear--I apologize for that. Four candles burning consistently over the course of a day is enough to raise the temperature of the average UK apartment significantly--never mind a workshop a fraction the size. I rather suspect that he mistook the overall thermal change brought by the candles for some imagined property of his device.

It reminds me of the post-hurricane blackouts, and how amazed some people get at the heat put out by oil lamps and candles.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 6:22:21 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Cymro:
I'm currently involved in an online argument with someone who insists that this thing works by channeling radiant heat and using it more efficiently, similar to the way a terracotta or cast iron woodstove does.

In doing some research to defend my own claims, I came across a snazzy quote from the creator of the device:

“Candle Holder does not “make” additional heat — what it does is short stop the loss of heat to the ceiling and creates a radiant heater at
table level. And it is almost always guys who over analyze this simple
device.” -Doyle Doss, inventor

Discuss.


I would, but there's nothing to discuss, nor did this guy invent anything.
Yes, a couple candles can heat up a small place, not much bigger than a tent, 1º or 2º. Just as well, this guy could heat up a bit such a small place with a few cents worth of ANY fuel. There's no magic, no invention, and if you do believe there is let me tell you about this website electric companies dont want you to know about, that explains how to built your own free energy power plant using secret Stirling engine designs.

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Posted: 11/10/2013 6:32:48 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Cymro:
Originally Posted By MrHunterAZ:
Originally Posted By Cymro:
What I suspect is that burning four candles in the morning and four in the afternoon is raising the ambient temperature by about 15 degrees all day long, extrapolating from the math posted above and assuming we're heating an average British apartment (just under 1000sqf. I looked it up).

Given that room temperature in the UK is about 65F on average, I think we can all see where the mistakes come in.


Keep in mind that the inventor in the video was in a room that was about 200-300 sqft. My master bathroom is larger than his "apartment." I don't remeber anyone making claims on a 1,000 sqft apt.


That only magnifies my point. Perhaps I wasn't clear--I apologize for that. Four candles burning consistently over the course of a day is enough to raise the temperature of the average UK apartment significantly--never mind a workshop a fraction the size. I rather suspect that he mistook the overall thermal change brought by the candles for some imagined property of his device.

It reminds me of the post-hurricane blackouts, and how amazed some people get at the heat put out by oil lamps and candles.


No man, it wouldnt. Even a small apartment,4 tea ikea candles would harldy increase the apartment temps maybe 0.5º, maybe 1º in a very small room like this guy.
But forget about "raise the temperature of the average UK apartment significantly", it just isnt true.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 12:23:08 AM
How much lead is he breathing in from the Chinese wicks?
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Posted: 11/11/2013 4:53:22 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Originally Posted By KingRat:
Throw a poncho over that tealight and you'll be nice and warm.


yep I've done similar to that in the service, sitting with my M60 in the day time in a cold rain/snow mix. poncho over me, sterno can between my feet, heating a canteen cup of ramen. The platoon sergeat when he saw the steam flowing off me thought he was going to send me out to sick call with a hellacious fever. I should have let him!

Anyways yep that little bit of flame and a poncho (and of course the soup), and I was in much better shape in a short bit. Hot wets are good.

Similarly to that in my old Marine Corps repetoire; the arctic tents, we jammed packed extra guys in the tent and had one or two noco candle lanterns. In short order the sub zero temps were abated a bit to where you could take off a layer. (I concede the extra bodies processing MRE bean components may have been a factor as well)


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