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Ever since the one bear bit into the wasp spray can [see above], and I can't imagine what his reaction was... None have been back that we've seen on the camera. It's getting cooler and I would expect them to be back, I hope... |
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cinnamon phase bear in some of the last pics or just the light a bit funny?
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Hibernation? I'm sure they'll be back, OP. View Quote Here's a nice website for black bear habits. Looks like in my area with all the food and the relatively mild temps so far, they will be going into hibernation about now. This video is amazing to show how a bear digs a den... Digging a den We had folks visiting abt 1 1/2 months ago and my SO and her friend found a den, but she hasn't been able to find it again. She said it wasn't too big of an entrance but had a vent hole. A point the website makes is some bears start digging den months before they'll be needed. The same site has some live cams viewing bears sleeping, etc. I'd like to know if bears care about snow on them when hibernating... We often find dens that have a smallish entrance hole ~2 feet in diameter, and there's always a small vent hole about 6 to 8 feet from the entrance. My thought is it's mtn lions, but I wonder if a bear could squeeze thru a hole like than and then have a bigger area inside. We've been a little reluctant to poke around in them... The 68 pound rock they mention in the video is NOTHING to the smallish bears here. My SO lines the 'driveways' with rocks, some a lot bigger and she's often complaining that the bears move them to eat ants and bugs underneath. Then she has to put them back... If we find something interesting and it's practical to do it, I'll set up a remote cam... |
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cinnamon phase bear in some of the last pics or just the light a bit funny? View Quote It sure looks blond in all the photos we have of it. Really great looking bear with a nice color... Looks young too... But not a cinnamon bear, I think. The one cinnamon bear my SO saw, that's mentioned at the beginning of this topic, is the one she ran into coming out of the barn while the bear was snooping around going in. She said it had a distinctive blond 'chest' area. We heard other folks abt a year later maybe 15 miles away talking about a 'cinnamon' bear hanging around some of their cattle pens. I don't think we ever got a pix of it... It's strange, all the bear calls, activity, pictures, seemed to end after that one bear bit into the wasp spray can. I'm not sure but I don't think I've seen tracks various places, but sometimes it's hard to tell. We've sort of missed them, but not the damage they do... Coyotes are still around, were close the other evening. Logged into the IP cams to check solar system charging and security, from down here Saturday, saw two bucks with good sized antlers on the flat and used the hi res PTZ camera to zoom in and take some pix. They were munching stuff at ground level in the bushes. Biggest antlers I've ever seen here. Need to load to PB and post... We put up 2 Axis hi res PTZ cams and they are amazing w/ 32x optical zoom, stabilization, autonomous zoom and tracking, and low light capability. Can resolve a waving T shirt at 12 miles+. Need to figger out how to work them better |
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Here's a video from the same website with 2 large bears and a baby hibernating.
I didn't know 2 adult bears shared the same den... Here Another video from same site and on U-tube |
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Awesome thread. Thanks for keeping us updated EXPY.
It's nice that you don't try to kill every bear that checks out your place. |
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If I was a bear in that area I'd be sleeping.
For some reason from your previous description I had imagined the panels being mounted with their long dimension parallel with the length of the building. I was having a hard time understanding why there would be a shadow from the morning sun. The picture explains it. |
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Thanks gents!
Re the new lower group of panels that's subject to shadowing... This time of the year when I check the Outback's in the morning [remotely], that group usually hasn't had an opportunity to contribute much charge at all, because by the time the shadowing is over, the rest of the panels have the batteries topped off... I did see it contribute a lot a week or so ago, when it was cloudy and snowy in the AM, the other panels didn't get to do their thing and when it cleared off, Group 3 -as I call it, was busy contributing a lot of amps... In another month or 2, the shadowing will end and it will be pumping out juice with the rest, and that opens the issue of too much juice into the batteries at one time. I do have that group dialed back in its associated Outback, and last fall, total charge from all the groups -at one time, was OK. Regarding shadowing... The illumination of the sun during the seasons is sort of like a sine wave. The change is rather fast near the shortest and longest days, and the apparent change of shadowing and length of the day, becomes less noticeable in the period in-between. If this makes any sense... |
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Glad you keep the updates coming on this thread. Been following it since the beginning. Love seeing what's going on up there at your place.
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Thank you TheSurvialist!
We found a set of 2 bears' prints in soft dirt and SO took pix, I don't have them yet to post Good sized adult -Mama. And a youngster. Also, they fooled me -again, I think... We got here this afternoon and I walked from the barn to the container a few times forgetting my gun. Was trying to get an issue with a different cell phone straightened out to get an old one reassigned to another account as a cheap backup. While I was on the phone with the cell company, I heard a loud pop-pop-pop- About 5 or 7 times in rapid succession. Seemed within 100 yards. Like someone firing a 9mm or something. I thought who's doing that, there's no one near here? After a couple minutes on the phone and then thinking about this, I realized it was likely the large bear 'popping her jaw', actually some sort of way they pop air from their mouth and it sounds like a gun shot... It's a nervous defensive reaction according to stuff I've read on the 'net. It was pretty close and has happened lots of times and I finally figgered it out last year. Only one 'burst' of 'pops' and nothing. Probably watching us thru the trees somewhere. The mice are out in force and it's a distraction to shoot them at night lit with a Fenix PD22 pocket flashlight and birdshot in a 22 mag N American revolver. Hold the light in my teeth with that Tygon tubing 'holder' I've written abt. Birdshot in 22 mag is hard to find and I'm getting down to about one or two packs... Dropped my Fenix PD22UE left pocket light off a lift to the concrete floor in the barn Sunday and it doesn't work. That's a first for dropping them from a high place and breaking, these are great lights and getting hard to find. There's a PD25 replacement and I wonder if it's got the same features? Fortunately I had a spare PD22UE Going outside now to see if the bears are making any sounds... |
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We've decided to get some bear spray... 2 containers...
Local store has UDAP brands Any opinion on UDAP or recommendations for other brands? |
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Sitting at my desk just now, in the highly insulated room in the barn, looking at wireless IC parts specs, getting ready to place an order, saw a movement out of the corner of my eye [ALWAYS trust your vision] a squirrel just strolled in. Not in any hurry to leave when I clapped at it...
Then a few minutes later, saw a humming bird flying from one end of the barn roof to the other... SO just said a ground squirrel fell into a bucket of water since noon and drowned All I need now is a bear visit Animals are real tame here |
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Drudge linked to:
Interesting article on female brown bear strategy to prevent/survive males killing their cubs. Cliff notes -live near people... Mother brown bears protect cubs with human shields For a mother brown bear in Scandinavia, few sights are as terrifying as a strange male. Adult male bears are known to kill cubs that are not theirs—and sometimes the mother that defends them. A new study suggests that smart mama bears have found a surprising way to protect their young. To shield her cubs from male attacks, mom just has to raise them near an adult bear’s number one enemy: humans. “People fear bears,” says Marcus Elfström, a wildlife ecologist at the Norwegian University of Life Sciences in Ås, Norway, who was not involved in the research. But the new study shows that “vulnerable bears fear dominant [fellow bears] more than they fear people.” Female grizzly bears and Scandinavian brown bears move away from male territory after giving birth, often choosing areas far from the best bear habitats. If a mother loses her cub, she soon goes into heat, so an infanticidal male [one who has killed a cub/s ] has a good chance of impregnating her. When researchers in Sweden found some mother bears and their cubs living near human settlements, they wondered if it might be a reproductive strategy—a way of protecting their young from killer males. After all, adult male bears don’t often venture near towns because humans are likely to kill them. If it was for safety, did the mothers’ strategy work? More here... http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/mother-brown-bears-protect-cubs-human-shields |
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I'd like to put up a directional, aimable, wx resistant microphone connected to the audio of a good audio quality IP cam to listen to animal sounds, and intruder sounds- remotely...
Probably a 30" parabolic reflector on a TV antenna rotator with a small speaker in a wx resistant 'shell' with foam... |
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Love this thread bu ti think you need to beta test some bear spray and get paid for it.
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SO just called and is out in the woods with a GPS I'm amazed she's learning, and surveying for a new driveway so it's easier in the snow... I laid it out for her with points from G-Earth...
Hope she has her whistle and bear bells... |
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Yesterday we cut the basic new driveway that doesn't change altitude much so we don't get stuck when it snows ---so much.
After my SO surveyed the path, we've been thinking and planning this for months, I went and surveyed the route and there was a big wasp or hornets' nest in a small tree. I figure it is ~12 inches high with one hole on the bottom they were busy flying in and out of... So I got the excavator and started grading the path and breaking off a few trees [start at the top up high and use the hydraulic 'thumb' and bucket to sort of shear/snap the limbs and then swing/move them to a convenient place to collect them whenever, work down and leave the stump 6 or 8 feet high and push or pull it over and get enough root so it makes no difference for the road ---one caution is you don't want to do anything that could result in a branch jamming into the operator cab, best to keep front window closed, it's stronger than somebodies face] and we tried to minimize the number of trees that needed to be removed. Then grade the road by cutting into the uphill side and going back and forth over the length slowly getting it 'level' with the right slope for drainage. I should get it finished today... It won't be exactly right but that can all be straightened out in the years to come once it gets graveled and rained on and we see what sort of areas need better drainage. Anyhow I'm worried about how to resolve the hornet's nest and wondering if it will get cold enough last night to spray them, what I should wear, etc, advice from member's here, etc. Told my SO about the nest because she's often working with rocks around there and her job yesterday was to pick up small rocks and debris as I graded [the mini-ex has a 6 way articulating blade, one of the best investments [also the thumb] I made for up here and it can tilt to slope the grade] I got called for supper and when I went by the nest it looked like it had turned black... Then my SO told me she took a can of wasp spray and sprayed it --- No bear pictures on the game cams this morning but there was one of those 'giant rabbits'/jackolopes with black tipped ears and a long skinny black tail that she deleted. And some other critters... When I was writing the post about the bear yesterday I heard a noise and didn't pay much attention, something on the metal steps up to the door, and then looked and a squirrel started scratching at the bottom of the sliding screen door trying to get in. Winter early this year? Thought of an idea to scare the bears away. Last year one of them bit into a can of wasp spray we had sitting out and there were very few visits afterwards. They make these flask bags for paintballers that use a CO2 cartridge and have a handle release that works like a real one. There's a trick to put a real one in a sleeve like a piece of PVC pipe of the similar dia as the body and tie a string to it and when the string is pulled, the thing is free, the handle flips and bang. So, if I put one of the CO2 ones up high like on top of the container so the bear's hearing isn't damaged and run a string down both sides and tie it to some pink rigid insulation they love to chew for bait, this might scare them to help keep them away. Need to do the same around the toileting system so they don't tear it up again. Or bury one? |
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Got road finished yesterday and looks great. Just need to get road base delivered and top that with 3/4 stone for appearance and to keep the dust down.
Probably will let the rain settle things before adding material. Spent a lot more time than I thought clearing brush and taking out trees. Thank goodness for the hydraulic thumb on the excavator that snaps branches and smaller trees like toothpicks. Also for my SO who spent 3 long days grooming the road, and transporting many cubic yards of debris to be burned later. Huge piles because I took time to root out brush along both sides. I measured it after it was done to be just under 600 feet with elevation changes of maybe 10 feet total end to end, vs. the current road that goes up and down ~50 feet and is almost twice as long. It will make getting in when the snow is deep a lot easier. There were fresh bear tracks [soft dirt] [and others] in the new road this morning, a small one. This morning we were puzzled that the new style bug zapper that we keep on the ground now... On the ground because there are a lot of flying insects/flies that eat the zapper debris and swarm all below it. So we put it on the ground and that takes care of the nuisance bugs that might not be attracted to it, especially with no screens on it The zapper was tilted over and something unplugged the power cord again at the side of the container that comes from the generator. She hasn't used the genny since Fri night so it could have been unplugged any time after. I figure the bear was around last night and I think the game cam is active to look at. Maybe an IR or seismic sensor set out tonight might be interesting. Or the CO2 device... Since we started cutting the road, I haven't heard bear sounds in the late afternoon and evening. We've been counting the rabbits that love to play car tag and sit along the roads at dusk when we come and go for supplies. A few weeks ago we counted an average of 15. The past 2 times up and down there were an ave of 44! The deviation or whatever in the ave is tight. We'll usually see a jakolope or two with the black skinny tails... That's OK as long as they don't try to bite my tires... |
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Ha ha ha...
We aren't there as of a couple hours ago... Bear still is... So is a Hakikamu or whatever paintball device in a PVC sleeve and a juicy piece of pink insulation on a string tied to it, a hearing safe distance away. Insulation has a rock on it ---an irresistible combination... On overwatch is an Axis PTZ IP cam I can check from anywhere... I remembered to pull the safety pin before we left A Reconex cam is pointed at the insulation... Patience... Just looked at the cam, not enough moonlight to see anything... |
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Very cool. Lets see pics when he looks like this.................... <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/die-tryin/media/cid_972.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/die-tryin/cid_972.jpg</a> View Quote I agree. |
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"Chased your SO into the barn"???? He's at least seen WOman. Get a permit, kill, and eat. If you can't get a permit, then.... Shovel hole in advance (to lessen exposure time to being seen in proximity to corpse) Suppress rifle See bear Shoot bear Shove bear in hole Shovel hole full of dirt Shut up about it, and don't post about or otherwise acknowledge your new and very cool accomplishment on Arfcom. Three S's wasn't enough. In honor of Trillions of dollars printed and inflation, I added some. I know you think the bear is cute and all naturey, but it isn't actually cute, and the naturey thing to do (meaning the actual right thing) is to kill the mother fucker before he hurts someone (your SO or you). Exterminate with extreme prejudice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is a bear that has lost the fear of man. That makes it dangerous. I would call the local game warden to find out how to deal with it. I don't think this bear has ever seen man! "Chased your SO into the barn"???? He's at least seen WOman. Get a permit, kill, and eat. If you can't get a permit, then.... Shovel hole in advance (to lessen exposure time to being seen in proximity to corpse) Suppress rifle See bear Shoot bear Shove bear in hole Shovel hole full of dirt Shut up about it, and don't post about or otherwise acknowledge your new and very cool accomplishment on Arfcom. Three S's wasn't enough. In honor of Trillions of dollars printed and inflation, I added some. I know you think the bear is cute and all naturey, but it isn't actually cute, and the naturey thing to do (meaning the actual right thing) is to kill the mother fucker before he hurts someone (your SO or you). Exterminate with extreme prejudice. No, just no. In this case shoot skin shovel skillet shutup. |
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Found out what happened.
The PBD activated fine, but -the plastic housing must have been too loose and the CO2 escaped around the threads holding the main part with the housing. That would have resulted in a pretty powerful 'jetting' action that would have whipped the PBD around on the string -maybe, with a little violence and noise. The 'handle' just happened to be in the fully safe position at the end of the CO2 release as the pressure subsided. The bear hearing the strange low-level noise within the first couple seconds likely took off... Because the extension cord was still plugged in and nothing was disturbed. Unfortunately the game cam was set too high in elevation and didn't record any of the action. All this is corrected and everything is go for the next event. The bears tend to be stubborn and determined and this one is likely to have a visit again soon. There were weak teeth indentations on a corner of the insulation. I hope we aren't scared to death around 5:30 AM... |
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Bear paid a visit this morning after daylight.
We woke up hearing sounds like stuff falling around the container, and scraping sounds. I went to the door and there were big muddy bear prints on the concrete tiles in front and I could hear the bear messing with something to the left but couldn't see around the corner. Made a mistake and didn't grab a camera that was on the counter, instead went out on the steps [being careful] and slapped the 'siding' a couple times to get it to stop tearing things up. It immediately ran down the drive to get away and didn't look back. Good sized... Went out and surveyed the damage, not too bad, the silver Astrofoil insulation was pulled off the solar water box glass and thankfully the glass wasn't broken. The sprayer tank my SO keeps water in next to the propane grill was on the ground, the bear must have been climbing or reaching up into the tree next to it because the fly trap we hang in the tree was on the ground. The PBD setup wasn't disturbed... Checked the camera and it had nothing on it except some mice. It didn't even have pix of me walking around the setup, so more testing is in order. There was a lot of 'noise disturbance' for a moment but don't know how it was caused. A few minutes later the jackolope with the black skinny tail came wandering through in front of the door. Never saw one up that close before... Weird animal activity this summer... Took pix of the bear prints with a scale if anyone interested... |
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Of course we want photos.
This is like an ARFcom version of Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom. |
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Worked on the issue and we're ready for BEAR -tonight...
3 PBD's deployed in a crisscrossed fashion and a 3 head super bright LED outdoor flood stuck high on the side of the container with magnets, rewired to bypass the IR sensor and connected to a hand-held remote control. Later will be connected to a web power switch when I can program the static IP addy into it, maybe tomorrow. Can get great pix now. Game cam is set with I hope a better elevation. Seismic sensor deployed and we can detect any intrusion [like last night] on one side of the container. Need a long range IR sensor here... Sliding door is closed. I'm in the barn. The Vltor SMQ-OE flip mount will take a Fenix TK22 if the body is turned down. May give dimensions in the tritium nite-sight thread. Great light. As far as catching mice, water in a small pan or bucket seems to be most productive, reusable, and cheap. Love the bears, wish they'd go somewhere's else most of the time. There's some real issues for me re the PBD's, I'll go into more detail later... I think I've got them straightened out tonight but they can be dangerous and I dropped a modified one and it fired almost instantly... Safety still in place... |
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Bear[s] returned this morning abt 8:30. Heard the seismic sensor and figured the bear was between the 2 containers, so turned on the computer to take a look, not soon enough though. Had to be slow and quiet inside.
There's 2 trip strings strung roughly between the two containers on that side, each to a PBD. On the other side of the container we live in, there's one from the bushes to the container. The game cam shows the bear approaching the string between the 2 containers and sniffing it and backing off. Repeated this. Then going to the table and investigating the sprayer water tank, that's empty I think. So the one string blocked the bear from going between the two containers. Then it went in front and around the container about the time I got the cam working and POW, it tripped the string on that side, and took off... Worked perfectly. That was one of the PBD's I drilled a hole in the CO2 cartridge housing because I thought not enough CO2 was getting out to reliably pop them. Instead, with the supplied reinforcement rings that get screwed to the top and bottom of the PBD, they seem to be reliable, even with the CO2 just leaking around the loose threads of the internal holder for unpredictable delays. Making the holder vent more quickly makes the PBD pop almost instantly and IMO is dangerous to handle. Also, the safety handle is less than well engineered. |
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Great tales.
If a string makes them wary, would a concertina type wire roll (no blades or barbs) or a wire tanglefoot around your perimeter keep them out? Some of it could be permanent, other sections you could string closed with minimal effort at evening. |
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Great tales. If a string makes them wary, would a concertina type wire roll (no blades or barbs) or a wire tanglefoot around your perimeter keep them out? Some of it could be permanent, other sections you could string closed with minimal effort at evening. View Quote Interesting question... From observing these critters for years now, they seem to have a critical component of Survival... A Seriousness of Purpose and a Quality of Correct Decision Making -----[More so than the majority of humans, maybe] They aren't easily dissuaded from their objectives. That string only slowed him briefly because it was something it never saw before. They aren't comfortable with things being out of place from what they're accustomed to in Nature, like the rock on the solar water box the young bear reached up to get and it fell on it's foot... Also the rock on the pink insulation trap, that one immediately had to 'resolve' when it saw it. Don't have any idea what they'd do with fencing, or wire, I expect, they'd get familiar with it and then do what they had to, to make it not relevant to their goals. The danger is they might get tangled up in it and what a can of worms that would be to get straightened out... The bears seem to think they're the bull in the China shop, [although they can be deftly delicate] and they're pretty unflappable... Interesting creatures... |
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Update- no bears! Not there but heading that way soon, looked at the strings for the 3 PBD's and all OK.
I've heard them not too far away growling/calling past few days, but word must have gotten around... Just to mess with them, I might tie some string around other places... |
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Great thread. I love seeing what's going on at your homestead. Its quite a battle you got going on there, lol.
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Oh Boy!
Last Saturday/Sunday we put up LED floods on both sides of the container that can be remote controlled over the net or locally. Some 'technical' developments... Last afternoon/night put up an ADPRO IR sensor model PRO-250H -on the barn at ~11 feet.... That can reach out 150 METERS!!! [~500 feet] The 'curtain beam' is only about 12 feet wide at 150 meters and I've set it at a sensitivity for 105 meters. It's pointed from the barn down toward the new road we put in a few weeks ago. Pictures will show the area. Any bear walking the road will be detected for about 350 feet. This thing is EXTREMELY sophisticated with signal processing... That's a silicon wafer almost 4 inches in diameter in the front to pass long wave length IR [just like thermal sights but not a high pixel array] and there's a precision [likely evaporated gold coated] glass mirror inside providing 3 areas of detection -short, medium and long] in a very long narrow 'beam' The sensitivity pattern is in the manual... Manual- https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=adpro+250h+manual This is the mount, different from the picture above- Then I took a Dakota IR sensor with the MURS transmitter and wired the PRO-250H into it. So we can sit in the container at night and know when it's set off. There was one incident early this AM but once I got the PC up and the cam pointed nothing to be seen. Probably a lion running across the road... Dakota Alert Inside My SO has been running heavy equipment this morning working on the road and landscaping and every time she crosses the Dakota alerts. Lots of pictures and more information later... Beam patterns... Bird's eye... That's ~12 feet wide at ~500 feet! Horizontal--- About 6 feet high at 500 feet! [image not showing up, see manual instead] It's super easy to modify a Dakota Alert to use other sensors or switches. The range can be over 20 miles with small Yagi antennas line of sight... Typically, they can be used around the house/property for reliable alarm links. |
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Quick digression about kidney stones and what might be expected if no professional care is available.
Not so bad actually, without complications... Had the first in the 80's, didn't know what was going on, thought it was an infection. Had just gone w/ ex to theme park and took some rides... A day or so later a pain began, slowly, in my right side, thinking it was an infection, injected some Combiotic, an antibiotic for animals. Early Monday morning the pain became almost unbearable -thought I was gonna die Ex took me to the docs first thing, told him what I injected for a possible infection, he took a blood sample, came back laughing and told us I had a kidney stone and made arrangements to get to the hospital. Gave me an opiate that I promptly threw up... Lady at the hospital admittance took her time and I was in pain and threw up again in her wastebasket. Finally got to a room and the pain by then was subsiding and in a couple hours I was good to go home, but they wouldn't let me. $$$ and liability... It took several weeks for the stone to pass, one lunch at work, I had a lot of soda to drink [don't drink soda often any more] and went to the BR and out it came with a 'flutter'. Picked it out of the urinal and save it. It was good sized. Since then I've had more than my share, and because of certain uh, 'issues' I can't go to the doc when I have them and have to tough them out. Had one after a ride in Vegas in one of the ball flying things you can maneuver upside down and are a lot of fun. Fortunately, we flew home the next day and it was a day later the pains slowly came on and then after a while I was crawling on the floor with dry heaves so strong I thought my eyes were going to pop out. The dry heaves and eyes popping out are generally to be expected from the pain. The sleep after it subsides is wonderful! Last one I had was in 2005 or so when I drank a good part of a bottle of Irish Crème [not a drinker -at all, it was a rare event] and that triggered a stone early in the morning with excruciating pain and eyes popping out. Since then we drink mostly RO water and have a system at all locations. If you saw the calcium deposits that precipitate out from the transported and stored utility water in big tanks in the barn after it freezes and thaws in the winter, you'd understand. Well, that was the last one ---until last Sunday, apparently all the bouncing around on the skid steer and excavator putting in the new road triggered another, minor, one. For a few days prior, I had the classic symptom of mild soreness in my right kidney area, when walking strenuously, later it became continuous, a dull soreness. I was wondering what it was, thinking it might be another stone, but these things have to be waited out, to see. Monday morning in bed, the pain slowly began, woke me up, I wondered what it was because it radiated into my groin and even legs. This time the pain was easily bearable. I found a position it wasn't so bad and was able to get some sleep. Pain continued modestly until later in the morning and subsided. Remnants of the pain lasted the rest of the day and then everything was back to normal. I expect to rescue a stone in about 2 weeks, a small one. I'll save it too... The pain for me is when the stone is passing from the kidney and the urine flow is blocked--- to a degree. Once the body adapts... The body is REMARKABLE for it's ability to do so... Once the pain is over [a day roughly depending on size] --there will be -for me- ~2 weeks later, minor bladder irritation a couple of days before the stone is passed, and passing even large ones, is a non-event. You can tell it's coming out from the fluid dynamics flutter in the penis. I share this to help folks understand that a kidney stone may not require emergency treatment. Folks may have been getting these for millions of years. The body is expert at dealing with them. I have some 'keepers' in small plastic boxes on my lab bench and may post pix of them. Biggest is ~7mm long and all crystalized with a million sharp points, looks like something bad guys would use to torture folks. All of mine look like that, most smaller... ETA Something I stumbled on in the early 2000's, when the pain had continued for hours and I couldn't take it any more, was 1/2 a Vicodin and 1/2 one of those banned Vioxx. The relief in 20 minutes was essentially complete, I felt good to go ---it was AMAZING. Or maybe the pain was going to subside anyhow, although the coincidence is unlikely. Usually, I don't take meds for the pain, I sort of enjoy toughing it out... Because the sleep afterwards is so good... |
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