Do tell, and was he the only passenger infected-but-not-showing-signs on this flight from Liberia? How many other flights from Liberia have arrived at US airports in the last couple weeks? What did he do in Dallas (a city of 1.2 million not including the metro area) from the 26th to the 28th?

Correct... IF everything the CDC, WHO and mainstream media are saying is true.  I hope I am wrong but I think there is more to it then bodily fluid contact.

We should know in a week or two...

this

Theoretical infection rate in U.S. if Dallas is ground zero. This assumes he at least infected 3 in September which is very realistic at the higher ROI (rate of infection) of 3.47

Sep, 2014 - Infected: 3 Dead: 2 ROI: 3.47
Oct, 2014 - Infected: 12 Dead: 8 ROI: 3.47
Nov, 2014 - Infected: 42 Dead: 29 ROI: 3.47
Dec, 2014 - Infected: 145 Dead: 101 ROI: 3.47
Jan, 2015 - Infected: 503 Dead: 352 ROI: 3.47
Feb, 2015 - Infected: 1,746 Dead: 1,222 ROI: 3.47
Mar, 2015 - Infected: 6,058 Dead: 4,240 ROI: 3.47
Apr, 2015 - Infected: 21,020 Dead: 14,714 ROI: 3.47
May, 2015 - Infected: 72,940 Dead: 51,058 ROI: 3.47
Jun, 2015 - Infected: 253,102 Dead: 177,171 ROI: 3.47
Jul, 2015 - Infected: 878,262 Dead: 614,784 ROI: 3.47
Aug, 2015 - Infected: 3,047,570 Dead: 2,133,299 ROI: 3.47
Sep, 2015 - Infected: 10,575,068 Dead: 7,402,548 ROI: 3.47
Oct, 2015 - Infected: 36,695,486 Dead: 25,686,840 ROI: 3.47
Nov, 2015 - Infected: 127,333,337 Dead: 89,133,336 ROI: 3.47

If the ROI is 2.60...

Sep, 2014 - Infected: 3 Dead: 2 ROI: 2.6
Oct, 2014 - Infected: 7 Dead: 5 ROI: 2.6
Nov, 2014 - Infected: 18 Dead: 12 ROI: 2.6
Dec, 2014 - Infected: 46 Dead: 32 ROI: 2.6
Jan, 2015 - Infected: 119 Dead: 83 ROI: 2.6
Feb, 2015 - Infected: 309 Dead: 216 ROI: 2.6
Mar, 2015 - Infected: 803 Dead: 562 ROI: 2.6
Apr, 2015 - Infected: 2,088 Dead: 1,462 ROI: 2.6
May, 2015 - Infected: 5,430 Dead: 3,801 ROI: 2.6
Jun, 2015 - Infected: 14,117 Dead: 9,882 ROI: 2.6
Jul, 2015 - Infected: 36,703 Dead: 25,692 ROI: 2.6
Aug, 2015 - Infected: 95,429 Dead: 66,800 ROI: 2.6
Sep, 2015 - Infected: 248,115 Dead: 173,681 ROI: 2.6
Oct, 2015 - Infected: 645,100 Dead: 451,570 ROI: 2.6
Nov, 2015 - Infected: 1,677,259 Dead: 1,174,082 ROI: 2.6
Dec, 2015 - Infected: 4,360,874 Dead: 3,052,612 ROI: 2.6
Jan, 2016 - Infected: 11,338,273 Dead: 7,936,791 ROI: 2.6
Feb, 2016 - Infected: 29,479,510 Dead: 20,635,657 ROI: 2.6
Mar, 2016 - Infected: 76,646,727 Dead: 53,652,709 ROI: 2.6
Apr, 2016 - Infected: 199,281,489 Dead: 139,497,042 ROI: 2.6

At least the garden will be producing when it gets real bad!

 

IF NOT AIRBORNE, then the initial ROI is prob correct, but it will quickly go to less than 1 and to zero due to seasonal changes, and sanitation and medical practices in the US.  at least I hope so.

However, It is a perfect distraction from the larger issues in the world.

Lets take things at face value, after all medicine is a science, soft science yet it is science.  Ebola is not a highly infectious disease, it is scary and ugly, it is easily controlled with good sanitation and medical practices, and most people don't know shit about medicine and panic easily!!  So, while the majority are looking at the left hand, right hand is performing the trick and after all is done, magically a hero will step  in and declare the disease completely controlled in the US!!!

According to the Univ of Minnesota article, there are a few different strands of this virus and they prob spread a little differently, so noting is etched in stone.  But we have to assume that there are at least around a handful of infected people in the US right now!!! But should be controlled fairly quickly.

Reports are saying that the guy had contact with 80 people while infected.

Not sure what this means but im keeping an eye out.

Over 100 people now.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/02/texas-health-officials-widen-search-for-ebola-patients-contacts-to-100/

I hope you all are prepared. This isnt looking good at all.

Why do I keep hearing that this virus is not contagious until the onset of symptoms? Other viruses, such as the flu and the common cold, can be transmitted PRIOR to the appearance of symptoms. It is true, however, that you are usually more contagious after symptoms appear, but it is still possible to transmit the virus prior to that. Look up the difference between incubation period and latency period.

I do not think we are being told the complete truth about ebola.....

  I wouldnt take any chances with it either.  Many of the members at Avian Flu Talk agree that its
contagious before the bleeding and puking starts.

Speaking of puking, there is a video on youtube of the puke in front of the Ivy Apartments being
cleanedup.  Its not confirmed yet that this is the Ivy apartments but that point is being checked out
right now.  This puke with ebola in it was not disinfected. It was just blown away with a power washer.
Of course it will get on shoes, in cars, hallways, clothes, dogs, kids.  If this is true there is no hope
for the CDC. I would hope the well trained folks in one of the military branches take over this emergency.
Im going to follow this tonight to find out if this is true.  
    This discusion is on Avianflutalk.com  >  Latest News  

Doctor dons Ebola protection suit to protest ‘asleep at the wheel’ CDC

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/

Wife just sent me a text, 2 possible in DC, 1 in Maryland, 1 in Utah.

Now just stop this worrying...


Quotes from CDC:


Ebola is contagious only when infected people are showing symptoms, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. People who have been exposed to Ebola will show signs of it within 21 days of exposure, the CDC said.

"There is no risk to people who have been in contact with those who have been sick with Ebola and recovered, or people who have been exposed and have not yet shown symptoms," said Dr. Thomas Frieden of the CDC.

What a STUPID statement!


Everything is fine, everything is OK!  

EXPY/rushing out the door to buy canned food and the best ammo for Ebola known to Man  

Check out Dr. Niman's  [the doctor that some turffish med oriented folks love to hate shoot the messenger]  comments...


Dr. Niman

Also Flutrackers.

They just reported that some exposed Dallas sheriffs have been put on leave.

F-T

RELAX people:

We've got it under control

very IMPORATANT PEOPLE...    Reassuring the Sheeple...

Who believe EVERYTHANG they hear...  

On their Always On 24/7 Flatscreens.  

The Obama adminstration lied about the condition of illegals that were quarantined in San Antonio, and they threatened healthcare workers with prosecution if they exposed any details of how bad it was. I fully expect the same cover-ups and lies with this vastly more serious situation.

The idiot in the White House is going to get us all killed before it's over with.

Maybe, but it won't have ANYTHING  to do with Ebola...

More so the theft of our country as we  sleep  uh, graze...

United Airlines flight quarantined as passenger tested for Ebola

US disease-control agents in biohazard suits removed a sick passenger and his daughter from a United Airlines jet that landed on Saturday in Newark, New Jersey, but federal health officials later said they had ruled out Ebola as a concern.

The passenger, who was vomiting during the flight from Belgium to Newark Liberty International Airport, was escorted off the plane by officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and taken to University Hospital in Newark, accompanied by his daughter, according to a spokeswoman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs the airport.

The plane's 251 other passengers and 14 crew members were held in temporary quarantine while health officials at the airport assessed the immediate situation, Erica Dumas, the Port Authority spokeswoman, said. She added that all were ultimately cleared and permitted to leave the plane.

United Airlines said in a statement that passengers and crew were held while public health officials interviewed each person on board.

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Man with Ebola wakes from the dead     .........................    Article


The body of a man, believed to be dead, is doused in bleach. Source: ABC News.

An American television crew have captured the horrifying moment when a man, presumed to have died from Ebola disease, regains consciousness as he is lifted into a body bag by a burial team.

Dr Richard Besser, an ABC news journalist, was reporting on the streets of the Liberian capital Monrovia to show how authorities go about clearing up deceased bodies on the street.

   Within one hour the burial team was here.

Footage shows the burial team dousing the man's body in bleach, which is a regular precaution to stop the spread of infection, before picking him up and putting him in a bag on the side of the road in front of hundreds of Liberian onlookers.


Workers pack up the man's body, only to find out he is alive. Source: ABC News.

But, to the shock of the burial team, the man begins to move his arm as he is lifted into the body bag.
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"He's alive! He's not dead!" Besser exclaimed to the delight of the crowd.

The man's condition was very poor and it is unclear whether or not he survived. Residents said they spent days trying to revive the man, with no apparent success.


Resources are better equipped to handle dead bodies than to treat the ill. Source: ABC News.

Ironically, the man was taken from the body bag onto a stretcher and put in the same ambulance he was supposed to be originally taken in.

Besser said he was unsure where the ambulance was going to take the man given a crippling shortage of hospital beds for the ill in Liberia.

"The problem that they have here, is there's a lot more room for dead bodies than there are for people who need treatment," Besser said.

"They had someone sick here yesterday," Besser said to the camera. "They didn't think it was Ebola, they thought it was something else and they called for help and no one came. They called again and no one came. Not until he died, a 37-year-old man, did they come. Within one hour the burial team was here."

Almost 2000 Liberians have been killed by the deadly Ebola virus, which has devastated West Africa and thrown its health system into complete overdrive.

Besser has previously said the Ebola outbreak in West Africa is the most devastating thing he has witnessed in his time as a journalist.

Fears of Ebola spread as US patient fights for his life

A man in Dallas who contracted the Ebola virus is in critical condition, and supplies of anti-Ebola drug ZMapp have run out. Scientists and leaders in other countries face fears of the disease spreading to their nations.

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Augusta (GA) firefighters to receive Ebola training

Though there has only been a single confirmed case of Ebola in the United States, the Augusta Fire Department isn’t taking any chances.

Dr. Phillip Coule, the department’s medical director and a professor of emergency medicine at Georgia Regents University, created an instructional video for firefighters. “It’s important to prevent an event like what happened in Dallas where the EMS providers transported a victim without knowing that they, and others, were at risk," he said.
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In a news release Monday, the department announced each firefighter will be instructed on the origin of the disease and how to properly protect themselves if they are called to transport patients who exhibit symptoms.

Instructions will be provided via an informational video created by Dr. Phillip Coule, the department’s medical director and a professor of emergency medicine at Georgia Regents University.

“It’s important to prevent an event like what happened in Dallas where the EMS providers transported a victim without knowing that they, and others, were at risk,” Coule said in the release.

Firefighters, who act as first responders in Richmond County, will be taught to screen patients on indicators such as trips to other countries within the previous 21 days. The department will also instruct employees on how to properly care for patients who exhibit symptoms and how to properly decontaminate ambulances.

“Now is the perfect time to prepare and stay ahead of it in the unlikely event that we do have a case we’re already trained and prepared for it,” Coule said.

How Doctors Test For Ebola
Published: 10/06/2014 10:45 AM EDT on LiveScience

Health officials are now monitoring 50 people in Texas for signs of Ebola, via twice-daily temperature checks, and in recent days, there have been reports that people in other areas of the country — most recently, Washington, D.C. — may be infected with the virus.

But why can't all these people just be tested for Ebola as soon as possible?

Ebola is difficult to diagnose when a person is first infected because the early symptoms, such as fever, are also symptoms of other diseases, such as malaria and typhoid fever.

"The symptoms are extremely nonspecific in the beginning — Ebola looks like almost anything," said Dr. Bruce Hirsch, an infectious-disease specialist at North Shore University Hospital in Manhasset, New York. [Ebola Virus: 5 Things You Should Know]

Who could have it?

The main question doctors consider is whether the person has been in one of the countries in West Africa experiencing the current Ebola outbreak (Guinea, Sierra Leone or Liberia) within the last 21 days, which is the incubation period of the virus, Hirsch told Live Science. Or, whether that person has been exposed to someone has been one of those places, he added.

Earlier this week, a man in Texas became the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, after traveling to Dallas from Liberia. The patient sought medical care but was initially sent home, before being admitted to a hospital in Dallas and testing positive for the virus.

Ebola spreads via contact with the blood or bodily fluids of an infected person, objects contaminated with those fluids or contact with infected animals; it does not spread through the air. Symptoms of the disease include a fever greater than101.5 degrees Fahrenheit (38.6 degrees Celsius), severe headache, muscle pain, diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal pain or unexplained hemorrhage, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

If a person shows these symptoms and has been in an area with Ebola within the past 21 days, they should be put in isolation and tested for Ebola, the CDC says.

Tests for Ebola

A number of tests can be used to diagnose Ebola within a few days of the onset of symptoms, which can detect the virus's genetic material or the presence of antibodies against the pathogen.

The most accurate of these is likely the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test, a technique that looks for genetic material from the virus and creates enough copies of it that it can be detected, Hirsch said. "PCR is a really definitive test," Hirsch said. It can pick up very small amounts of the virus.

However, this test can be negative during the first three days an infected person has symptoms, said Dr. Sandro Cinti, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Michigan Hospital System/Ann Arbor VA Health System.

"Somebody could be in the hospital for three to five days before a diagnosis [of Ebola] is confirmed," Cinti told Live Science. "The important thing is keeping the patient isolated until you can get to a diagnosis." Meanwhile, doctors will be running tests to rule out other diseases, such as malaria, which can be detected more quickly than Ebola, he said.

Another test for Ebola looks for antibodies produced by the body's immune system in response to the virus. Known as the antigen-capture enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA), this test can take even longer than three days to give a positive result for an infected person, Cinti said. And antibodies can also be detected after a patient recovers, he added.

Once a patient is diagnosed with Ebola, scientists may attempt to isolate the virus — which is a type of filovirus, known for their filamentlike shape — by culturing it with living cells and examine it using electron microscopy. But culturing Ebola is very dangerous, and should only be done in a high-biosafety-level lab, Hirsch said. Culturing the virus is not a practical means of diagnosing infection, but may help researchers understand how the virus infects cells and test possible treatments.

So, given the severity of an Ebola infection, why wouldn't you test everybody with the remotest chance of having the disease?

A huge number of people come to the United States from Africa with fevers, Cinti said, and testing all of them for Ebola would drain hospital resources and raise unnecessary panic. "We really have to be clear and get good histories about exposure," he said. "It makes absolutely zero sense to test people who aren't from high-risk areas."

US to review travel screening for Ebola, but no ban, says White House

The Obama administration is not considering a ban on travelers from countries most affected by the deadly Ebola virus outbreak but is reviewing possible additional passenger screening measures, the White House said on Monday.

"A travel ban is not something that we're currently considering," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters at a daily briefing. "We feel good about the measures that are already in place."

But Earnest, speaking shortly before President Barack Obama was expected to receive an update on the outbreak centered in West Africa, added that the administration is not ruling out changes to screening procedures aimed at trying to identify potentially sick travelers.

"What we're looking to do is to review these screening measures," he said, adding that officials do not want to impede the transport systems critical to combating to deadly virus.

"We remain confident that we can keep those travel channels open and ensure the continued flow of supplies and personnel to the region, while at the same time putting in place screening measures on the ground in Africa, in transit, on the ground here in the United States that will ensure the safety of the traveling public and the American public," he said.

His comments come as an airline industry group said it will meet with health and safety officials on Monday to discuss the potential for additional screenings to identify travelers who may have been exposed to Ebola.

Ebola: What are the treatment options?

Doctors have been using several experimental drugs and treatments to supplement the usual care in the cases of five people who have come to the United States after being infected in Africa.

The two current patients, Thomas Eric Duncan in Dallas and Ashoka Mukpo in Omaha, are being treated with brincidofovir, an oral antiviral.

The medication was developed by Chimerix Inc. of Durham, N.C., and designed to fight cytomegalovirus and other viruses, according to the company’s website.

Two medical missionaries, Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, received another experimental drug, ZMapp, produced by Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc. of San Diego.

ZMapp is described as a mix of antibodies that were created to target the Ebola virus. Officials say there are no more doses of this treatment, though there are efforts to produce more.

Dr. Rick Sacra was treated in Nebraska with another experimental drug, TKM-Ebola, from Tekmira Pharmaceuticals of Canada.

It works by blocking genes that help the Ebola virus reproduce and spread. It is also said to be in limited supply.

Sacra also received blood transfusions from an infected patient who survived Ebola.

This type of blood transfusion is designed to jump-start the patient’s immunity, according to Dr. Phil Smith, director of the Nebraska hospital's biocontainment unit.

What have been the outcomes from these various treatments?

The transfusion from a survivor seems most promising as an expedient treatment -if it works...

I think I read a few weeks ago of cases where it did work... IIRC, the PTB were all uppity because folks were independently using this technique.

Heck you say!  

Journalist with Ebola to get blood from survivor

OMAHA, Neb. - The first American flown back to the U.S. for treatment of Ebola this summer has donated blood to the most recent one to return from West Africa with the disease.

The Nebraska Medical Center said Wednesday that it called Dr. Kent Brantly on Tuesday to tell him his blood type matches that of Ashoka Mukpo, a freelance video journalist who arrived at the medical center Monday.

The hospital says Brantly was driving through Kansas City, Mo., and was able to give blood locally that was flown to Omaha. It says Mukpo will receive the transfusion Wednesday.

Such transfusions are believed to help Ebola patients because a survivor's blood contains antibodies to fight the disease.

Brantly also donated blood to the first Ebola patient treated at the Nebraska hospital, Dr. Richard Sacra.

Sacra received two transfusions of Brantly's blood, and doctors believe he too has made a full recovery.

Mukpo's parents said Mukpo wasn't sure how he contracted Ebola, but believed it may have happened when he was helping to decontaminate a vehicle in which an Ebola patient had died.

Mukpo's parents said they tried to convince their son, who spent two years in Liberia working with a nonprofit, not to return there last month.

"I told him he was crazy," Levy said. "Our son is strong-willed and determined. He has always lived by his integrity. He made a strong connection with the Liberian people and felt compelled to go back. I told him I thought he was crazy and I told him about the risks but none of it worked. I'm proud of him but I wished he would go somewhere safer."

Doctors in Omaha have said they would apply the lessons learned while treating Sacra in September. They were in constant communication with health centers where other Ebola patients are being treated, both in the U.S. and around the world.

While in Nebraska, Sacra received an experimental Tekmira Pharmaceuticals drug called TKM-Ebola, as well the blood transfusions from Brantly. Sacra also received supportive care, including IV fluids and aggressive electrolyte management.

But doctors have said they can't be sure what helped Sacra recover because he was receiving multiple treatments.

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EBOLA PATIENT IN DALLAS DIES

It is controllable, here is an example: How a tire company shut Ebola down


You know all the gnashing of teeth about how terrible the global response to the Ebola outbreak has been? Maybe someone should check with Firestone.

As NPR reports, the tiremaker runs a rubber plantation and basically the entire town of Harbel, outside Monrovia, Liberia. And when an employee's wife turned up with the virus on March 30, Firestone Liberia's managing director says they "went into crisis mode": Upon discovering that there was nowhere to treat her, the company turned to the Internet for help in treating Ebola itself.

Within a day, they had an Ebola ward. Within two, the woman was quarantined. They handed medical workers hazmat suits to prevent the virus' spread. "None of us had any Ebola experience," says the director, but NPR notes that they did have what everywhere else in the region did not: The muscle and resources that a major corporation can harness.

The woman died, but not one of Firestone's roughly 8,500 employees and 71,500 family members contracted the virus. Months passed, and when the virus rampaged through the area in August, Firestone stepped up to the plate: It expanded the isolation ward, built an annex and quarantine centers, and sent out-of-work teachers (schools had been shut down) to go door-to-door and educate.

Janitors were taught how to properly bury the dead, notes the Wall Street Journal. It runs its hospital ward with military-like precision, and at present it's down to just three patients, a trio of boys whose homes are outside the plantation.

As for what's needed to contain the outbreak, a CDC rep says simply: "More Firestones." (Meanwhile, Spain is planning to kill an Ebola patient's dog, and the Dallas Ebola patient's bill is rising $1,000 per hour.)

No longer...


CDC spokesman will prolly get fired...


And you left out -preppers wildly stocking best 308 to shoot Ebola Zoombies...

Preppers always wildly stocking up on .308 to shoot Zombies!!!

New Ebola Scare

In spite of the best medical care the world has to offer, he is dead.

I leave it to you to determine the implications of this. Be ready.

Apples and oranges...



He was already dead when he went to the hospital.

Does that mean that that anyone infected by hm at the hospital have the zombie Ebola strain?

It's not him dying i'm worried about, as long as he STAYS that way.

cross post but worth a read.  In Brazil



http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1675050_BRAZIL_REPORTS_FIRST_SUSPECTED_CASE_OF_EBOLA_AS_MAN_FROM_GUINEA_HOSPITALIZED.html

Well, all the hand wringing over Dallas Dunkin ----and his close contacts and girl friend haven't been reported as catching -anythang...

The viral load in that apartment had to be very high unless I am under estimating the cleaning practices. But the soilded sheets still on the bed, and the grandmother wanting to sleep with the new blanket I am thinking not much. Why is there NO real coverage of the apartment occupants conditions,etc.

Prolly cause there's nothing to report???



Yet?

I flew in from Italy through Amsterdam this morning. Glad I got back before the airports get closed.

I won't lie: every time someone coughed or sneezed, I was nervous....

Dallas healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola. Was wearing hazmat gear.

We are currently living in the first five minutes of Contagion....

They are saying protocols were not being followed...

Of course they are...