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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:23:23 PM EDT
I picked up some Florasense Lamp Oil at Wal-mart today.  It was in the craft/candle section.  My store did not have any other kind of lamp oil aside from Coleman-branded kerosene.  

Anyway, I used it in a liquid candle.  Nice tall flame, but it was very, very smoky.  It also smelled like paint thinner.  Is that normal for all lamp oils, or is that specific to the Florasense stuff?  I was considering some Medallion or Ultra-Pure oils, both from Lamplight Farms.  

If you decide to make some candles as seen in the link, do not buy the wick in the candle section.  Buy the 1/2 inch "lantern" wicks in the camping section, they're cheaper.
Link Posted: 12/1/2012 8:30:46 PM EDT
[#1]
Strat, I burn liquid paraffin in my wick lanterns-it burns without any smoke or smell

My wife is very sensitive to the smell or kerosene, so we switched years ago.
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 5:01:02 AM EDT
[#2]
Your wick was too high.
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 5:36:58 AM EDT
[#3]
We gotta sticky the kerosene thread. This stuff comes up too often.
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 6:15:57 AM EDT
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We gotta sticky the kerosene thread. This stuff comes up too often.


Link?
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 6:24:51 AM EDT
[#5]
Batman and TJ have posted the most and should pull all the relevant pieces together and make one thread of it.
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 9:38:25 AM EDT
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Batman and TJ have posted the most and should pull all the relevant pieces together and make one thread of it.

I would love to have a thread on this

A couple of years ago I seem to remember someone (TJ perhaps?) posted a very in-depth primer on wick lanterns, but for the life of me I can't find it.

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Link Posted: 12/2/2012 10:04:14 AM EDT
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I tried running a search and did not find the old thread about problems with the walmart lamp oil.  I think they had a bad batch and someone posted actual issues with it and the issues were based on wick size I guess.



I ranked it up there with the problems people have posted about the "kerosene" stuff sold right by the kerosene heaters in wally world and many places.



The discussion on the "kerosene" got into msds sheets and flashpoint I think and actual kerosene would be safer from what I recall on that discussion.



Something tj and many others often mention about lamp oil is that there are many varieties out there.  I am currently planning to get a bit of it this winter and plan to go the expensive route since it does burn clean.  Generally the stuff sold for use on boats will be higher quality.



I have some of the flora sense lamp oil and lots of other cheap lamp oil around.  I actually wound up putting it in a larger container and letting them mix up.



They were all acceptable but some burned better than others.



And we are talking cheap stuff and really old stuff found at garage sales and all sorts of stuff.



Mixing them up made it consistant for how I use it and it works fine.  



I do admit I don't really use my oil lamps a lot but in the winter I will run them to knock the chill off a room and just because I like them.


Link Posted: 12/2/2012 11:54:32 AM EDT
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Your wick was too high.


Winner!

Shortened the wick and the problem went away.



Anyone know what Florasense is made from?  Is it mostly kerosene, paraffin, recycled chinese fryer oil?
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 12:20:00 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Your wick was too high.


Winner!

Shortened the wick and the problem went away.



Anyone know what Florasense is made from?  Is it mostly kerosene, paraffin, recycled chinese fryer oil?


Chinaman spunk!

Its a paraffin combination of some sort. I had some bad florasense lamp oil once and I did a thread on it. I did a few oil lamp threads way back. You can search just my name and threads I started to find them in the archives.
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 12:57:51 PM EDT
[#10]
"Liquid paraffin" *is* kerosene. The british call kerosene "paraffin", and they all belong to the same family - petroleum distillates. It's simply a matter of the length of the molecular chains. Yes, there are varying grades, purity levels, and additives, but a lot of the differentiation is simply marketing.

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Link Posted: 12/2/2012 2:03:36 PM EDT
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"Liquid paraffin" *is* kerosene. The british call kerosene "paraffin", and they all belong to the same family - petroleum distillates. It's simply a matter of the length of the molecular chains. Yes, there are varying grades, purity levels, and additives, but a lot of the differentiation is simply marketing.

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This site disagrees with you.  I'm not calling you a liar, just pointing out some different info.  You mention different grades and purity levels - I think that may be important for indoor use where minimizing odor and soot is important.    

I think the reason we have so many of these threads is that there is so much conflicting information out there.  Regional differences in terminology further muddy the topic.
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 3:29:55 PM EDT
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"Liquid paraffin" *is* kerosene. The british call kerosene "paraffin", and they all belong to the same family - petroleum distillates. It's simply a matter of the length of the molecular chains. Yes, there are varying grades, purity levels, and additives, but a lot of the differentiation is simply marketing.

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This site disagrees with you.  I'm not calling you a liar, just pointing out some different info.  You mention different grades and purity levels - I think that may be important for indoor use where minimizing odor and soot is important.    

I think the reason we have so many of these threads is that there is so much conflicting information out there.  Regional differences in terminology further muddy the topic.


I will see your WT Kirkman and raise you a Miles Stair.  :)

However you bring up a good point about conflicting information. And, while I believed that paraffin wax and the distillates were part of a continuous spectrum, organic chemistry class was a LONG time ago.  So, to the internets!

The best place to go for real information on anything chemical are MSDS's.  In searching for "Paraffin lamp oil MSDS I found an entry in Firepedia: Prop Manipulation and Fire Arts under Paraffin a.k.a Lamp Oil (Fuel).  The first lines:

Paraffin, Lamp Oil or Mineral Oil are names for a liquid by-product of the distillation of petroleum to produce gasoline and other petroleum based products from crude oil.


There is also a link to the MSDS for Lamplight Ultra-Pure Lamp Oil (link to PDF) from Lamplight Farms.

1.  CHEMICAL PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION

TRADE NAME:    ULTRA PURE LAMP OIL
SYNONYMS:      LINPAR 1416-V NORMAL PARAFFIN, Mixture of Tetradecane, Pentadecane, and Hexadecane. EINECS # 265-233-4

MANUFACTURER:   Lamplight Farms
ADDRESS:    4900 North Lilly Road, Menomonee Falls, WI 53051 (800) 645-5267   262-781-9590 (8:00 AM- 4:30 PM CST) M-F

EMERGENCY NUMBER:  1-800-308-7141 (Prosar)
For non-emergency and all other information call: 1-800-645-5267  


2.  COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Components                     CAS Number   Weight %

C14-C16 Paraffins           90622-46-1        100


So, off to Wikipedia for Paraffins

In chemistry, paraffin is a term that can be used synonymously with "alkane", indicating hydrocarbons with the general formula CnH2n+2. Paraffin wax refers to a mixture of alkanes that falls within the 20 ≤ n ≤ 40 range; they are found in the solid state at room temperature and begin to enter the liquid phase past approximately 37 °C (99 °F).[1]

The simplest paraffin molecule is that of methane, CH4, a gas at room temperature. Heavier members of the series, such as octane, C8H18, and mineral oil appear as liquids at room temperature. The solid forms of paraffin, called paraffin wax, are from the heaviest molecules from C20H42 to C40H82. Paraffin wax was identified by Carl Reichenbach in 1830.[2]

Paraffin, or paraffin hydrocarbon, is also the technical name for an alkane in general, but in most cases it refers specifically to a linear, or normal alkane — whereas branched, or isoalkanes are also called isoparaffins. It is distinct from the fuel known in the United Kingdom, Ireland and South Africa as paraffin oil or just paraffin, which is called kerosene in most of the U.S., Canada, Australia and New Zealand.


From the last paragraph, it looks like there is a distinction.  But I know that kerosene also has those polymer chains.  So, again to Wikipedia for Alkane

Alkanes (also known as paraffins or saturated hydrocarbons) are chemical compounds that consist only of hydrogen and carbon atoms and are bonded exclusively by single bonds (i.e., they are saturated compounds) without any cycles (or loops; i.e., cyclic structure). With the general chemical formula CnH2n+2, alkanes belong to a homologous series of organic compounds in which the members differ by a constant relative molecular mass of 14. They have two main commercial sources: crude oil and natural gas.


The follows more chemistry, to


Applications

The applications of a certain alkane can be determined quite well according to the number of carbon atoms. The first four alkanes are used mainly for heating and cooking purposes, and in some countries for electricity generation. Methane and ethane are the main components of natural gas; they are normally stored as gases under pressure. It is, however, easier to transport them as liquids: This requires both compression and cooling of the gas.

Propane and butane can be liquefied at fairly low pressures, and are well known as liquified petroleum gas (LPG). Propane, for example, is used in the propane gas burner and as a fuel for cars,[20] butane in disposable cigarette lighters. The two alkanes are used as propellants in aerosol sprays.

From pentane to octane the alkanes are reasonably volatile liquids. They are used as fuels in internal combustion engines, as they vaporise easily on entry into the combustion chamber without forming droplets, which would impair the uniformity of the combustion. Branched-chain alkanes are preferred as they are much less prone to premature ignition, which causes knocking, than their straight-chain homologues. This propensity to premature ignition is measured by the octane rating of the fuel, where 2,2,4-trimethylpentane (isooctane) has an arbitrary value of 100, and heptane has a value of zero. Apart from their use as fuels, the middle alkanes are also good solvents for nonpolar substances.

Alkanes from nonane to, for instance, hexadecane (an alkane with sixteen carbon atoms) are liquids of higher viscosity, less and less suitable for use in gasoline. They form instead the major part of diesel and aviation fuel. Diesel fuels are characterized by their cetane number, cetane being an old name for hexadecane. However, the higher melting points of these alkanes can cause problems at low temperatures and in polar regions, where the fuel becomes too thick to flow correctly.

Alkanes from hexadecane upwards form the most important components of fuel oil and lubricating oil. In the latter function, they work at the same time as anti-corrosive agents, as their hydrophobic nature means that water cannot reach the metal surface. Many solid alkanes find use as paraffin wax, for example, in candles. This should not be confused however with true wax, which consists primarily of esters.

Alkanes with a chain length of approximately 35 or more carbon atoms are found in bitumen, used, for example, in road surfacing. However, the higher alkanes have little value and are usually split into lower alkanes by cracking.

Some synthetic polymers such as polyethylene and polypropylene are alkanes with chains containing hundreds of thousands of carbon atoms. These materials are used in innumerable applications, and billions of kilograms of these materials are made and used each year.


So there it is.  The simple alkanes range from natural gas to asphalt, including gasoline, diesel fuel, mineral oil, paraffin wax.  It mentions aviation fuel, but not specifically kerosene.

So again to the Wikipedia for the entry on Kerosene

Properties

Kerosene, a thin, clear liquid formed from hydrocarbons, with a density of 0.78–0.81 g/cm3, is obtained from the fractional distillation of petroleum between 150 °C and 275 °C, resulting in a mixture of carbon chains that typically contain between six and 16 carbon atoms per molecule.[6] Major constituents of Kerosene include n-dodecane, alkyl benzenes, and naphthalene and its derivatives.

The flash point of kerosene is between 37 and 65 °C (100 and 150 °F), and its autoignition temperature is 220 °C (428 °F).[7]


So it appears that lamp oil is indeed different from kerosene in 2 aspects:
1) It is more purely straight chain alkanes, where kerosene has benzenes and other hydrocarbons
2) it leans to *slightly* heavier than the average weight of kerosene, in terms of carbon chains.  Or at least Lamplight Farms is.

Or, not.  The Ultra Pure Lamp Oil that I found has a flashpoint of 250F, that is not what WT Kirkman referenced.  So I found the MSDS for Medallion Lamp Oil

2.  COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Components                               CAS Number    Weight %

Hydrotreated Light Distillate        64742-47-8        100
Hazardous in Blend:      Yes


Light distillate with the sulfur removed by hydrotreating.

So lamp oil is is kerosene.  Purified, less stinky kerosene.

Paraffin lamp oil is slightly heavier kerosene, more purified.  Which sounds a LOT like diesel fuel, but I won't go there.

I cede that liquid paraffin, despite what Miles Stair said, is not *quite* kerosene.  HOWEVER, that product is NOT suitable for burning in oil lamps, which were designed for kerosene.  It's flash point is much higher, and it's capillary action is not the same, due to the slightly longer chain molecules.
Link Posted: 12/2/2012 3:51:29 PM EDT
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I cede that liquid paraffin, despite what Miles Stair said, is not *quite* kerosene. HOWEVER, that product is NOT suitable for burning in oil lamps, which were designed for kerosene. It's flash point is much higher, and it's capillary action is not the same, due to the slightly longer chain molecules.


I am going to go out on a limb and say that liquid parrafin most certainly *is* suitable for burning in oil lamps, since that is its primary use.

It is the preferred fuel for oil lamps in enclosed spaces, as it burns much cleaner with far less smelliness and soot. Kerosene is great for lanterns and stoves and such used outdoors or in places with good ventilation, but if you are indoors you really want the liquid parrafin.

As for the OP's question I have used the Florasence stuff from WM and have some stocked. It has always burned fine for me without any kerosene smell, though perhaps not as odorless as the liquid parrafin candles I also use. (Restaurants use liquid parrafin candles; google them, you can buy them in bulk for cheap)
Link Posted: 12/3/2012 4:26:03 PM EDT
[#14]
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*snip*
I cede that liquid paraffin, despite what Miles Stair said, is not *quite* kerosene.  HOWEVER, that product is NOT suitable for burning in oil lamps, which were designed for kerosene.  It's flash point is much higher, and it's capillary action is not the same, due to the slightly longer chain molecules.


Wow, thank you for the well-researched post.  

On the Miles Stair article you cited, he more or less says that liquid paraffin is not quite kerosene.  

 If you wish to burn expensive "Liquid Paraffin" and ruin the capillary action of the wick, or burn 1K kerosene and have rapid charring of the wick and therefore short wick life, that is fine with me - I will  happily sell you new wicks.  But I like long wick life, a bright light, as little charring of the wick top as possible, with a safe and inexpensive fuel.  You may do as you wish as it is your lamp, your wick and your responsibility.  Peace be with you.  Go with God.  Whatever happens it ain't my fault.  The best fuel for metal font center draft lamps in my opinion is Low Odor Mineral Spirits...



It really seems to highlight the fact that heaters, lamps, lanterns, and oil candles are similar, but are different enough that they may run their best with specific types of fuels.  In that regard, it's similar to an internal combustion engine that may be designed to run on gasoline, ethanol, methanol, or a combination thereof.  Similarly, ethanol and methanol are chemically very similar, but one of them makes a rather terrible martini.  

For many of us, oil-fired appliances (for heat or light) are unfamiliar territory and we would be well served to research what type of device we have and what is the proper fuel for it.  At the least, we may end up with clogged wicks.  At the worst, we may have a significant fire hazard.
Link Posted: 12/3/2012 5:09:11 PM EDT
[#15]
I'm a newbie to this sort of thing, but my wife found an affinity for hurricane lamps, so I won't discourage her.  She bought "lamp oil" for them, and it works fine, but if there's a cheaper, longer lasting fuel, I'm all for it.  Will mineral spirits work in these things?  They seem to be all the same, even if they're 150 yrs old, or new off the shelf.
Link Posted: 12/3/2012 5:23:28 PM EDT
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I'm a newbie to this sort of thing, but my wife found an affinity for hurricane lamps, so I won't discourage her.  She bought "lamp oil" for them, and it works fine, but if there's a cheaper, longer lasting fuel, I'm all for it.  Will mineral spirits work in these things?  They seem to be all the same, even if they're 150 yrs old, or new off the shelf.


No. Mineral spirits has too low a flash point. It can run away burn under the right circumstances. Stick with fuel that has a 150 degree flash point like k1, lamp oil, or Klean heat from home depot.
Link Posted: 12/3/2012 5:34:34 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm a newbie to this sort of thing, but my wife found an affinity for hurricane lamps, so I won't discourage her.  She bought "lamp oil" for them, and it works fine, but if there's a cheaper, longer lasting fuel, I'm all for it.  Will mineral spirits work in these things?  They seem to be all the same, even if they're 150 yrs old, or new off the shelf.


No. Mineral spirits has too low a flash point. It can run away burn under the right circumstances. Stick with fuel that has a 150 degree flash point like k1, lamp oil, or Klean heat from home depot.


Thanks, I guess we'll stick to lamp oil.  I don't need to molotov cocktail these things.  Can I run pump kerosene in a hurricane lamp?  Like these:

Link Posted: 12/3/2012 6:10:14 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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Batman and TJ have posted the most and should pull all the relevant pieces together and make one thread of it.

I would love to have a thread on this

A couple of years ago I seem to remember someone (TJ perhaps?) posted a very in-depth primer on wick lanterns, but for the life of me I can't find it.

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I'm not sure if we are thinking of the same thread, but I've found the thread linked below to be helpful.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/615179_Questions_about_kerosene_oil_lamps.html
Link Posted: 12/3/2012 6:11:43 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
*snip*
I cede that liquid paraffin, despite what Miles Stair said, is not *quite* kerosene.  HOWEVER, that product is NOT suitable for burning in oil lamps, which were designed for kerosene.  It's flash point is much higher, and it's capillary action is not the same, due to the slightly longer chain molecules.


Wow, thank you for the well-researched post.  

On the Miles Stair article you cited, he more or less says that liquid paraffin is not quite kerosene.  

 If you wish to burn expensive "Liquid Paraffin" and ruin the capillary action of the wick, or burn 1K kerosene and have rapid charring of the wick and therefore short wick life, that is fine with me - I will  happily sell you new wicks.  But I like long wick life, a bright light, as little charring of the wick top as possible, with a safe and inexpensive fuel.  You may do as you wish as it is your lamp, your wick and your responsibility.  Peace be with you.  Go with God.  Whatever happens it ain't my fault.  The best fuel for metal font center draft lamps in my opinion is Low Odor Mineral Spirits...



It really seems to highlight the fact that heaters, lamps, lanterns, and oil candles are similar, but are different enough that they may run their best with specific types of fuels.  In that regard, it's similar to an internal combustion engine that may be designed to run on gasoline, ethanol, methanol, or a combination thereof.  Similarly, ethanol and methanol are chemically very similar, but one of them makes a rather terrible martini.  

For many of us, oil-fired appliances (for heat or light) are unfamiliar territory and we would be well served to research what type of device we have and what is the proper fuel for it.  At the least, we may end up with clogged wicks.  At the worst, we may have a significant fire hazard.


Please bear in mind that he is referring *Specifically * to center draft lamps when he recommends mineral spirits - Rayo, Aladdin, and Kosmos mainly.


Edited to remove Aladdin reference per correction below.  Sorry about that.
Link Posted: 12/3/2012 6:31:59 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
*snip*
I cede that liquid paraffin, despite what Miles Stair said, is not *quite* kerosene.  HOWEVER, that product is NOT suitable for burning in oil lamps, which were designed for kerosene.  It's flash point is much higher, and it's capillary action is not the same, due to the slightly longer chain molecules.


Wow, thank you for the well-researched post.  

On the Miles Stair article you cited, he more or less says that liquid paraffin is not quite kerosene.  

 If you wish to burn expensive "Liquid Paraffin" and ruin the capillary action of the wick, or burn 1K kerosene and have rapid charring of the wick and therefore short wick life, that is fine with me - I will  happily sell you new wicks.  But I like long wick life, a bright light, as little charring of the wick top as possible, with a safe and inexpensive fuel.  You may do as you wish as it is your lamp, your wick and your responsibility.  Peace be with you.  Go with God.  Whatever happens it ain't my fault.  The best fuel for metal font center draft lamps in my opinion is Low Odor Mineral Spirits...



It really seems to highlight the fact that heaters, lamps, lanterns, and oil candles are similar, but are different enough that they may run their best with specific types of fuels.  In that regard, it's similar to an internal combustion engine that may be designed to run on gasoline, ethanol, methanol, or a combination thereof.  Similarly, ethanol and methanol are chemically very similar, but one of them makes a rather terrible martini.  

For many of us, oil-fired appliances (for heat or light) are unfamiliar territory and we would be well served to research what type of device we have and what is the proper fuel for it.  At the least, we may end up with clogged wicks.  At the worst, we may have a significant fire hazard.


Please bear in mind that he is referring *Specifically * to center draft lamps when he recommends mineral spirits - Rayo, Aladdin, and Kosmos mainly.


Ummm...

So, we have center draft lamps designed to burn coal oil, are called "oil lamps," and now were burning Standard Oil's "kerosene."  Note the very careful wording - "center draft lamps."  Low Odor Mineral Spirits should not be used in lanterns or flat wick lamps - just larger metal fount center draft lamps designed in the 1880's.  The Aladdin mantle lamp was not designed until 1907 and was intended for use with kerosene.  See more on Low Odor Mineral Spirits below.


Link Posted: 12/4/2012 4:06:36 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
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I'm a newbie to this sort of thing, but my wife found an affinity for hurricane lamps, so I won't discourage her.  She bought "lamp oil" for them, and it works fine, but if there's a cheaper, longer lasting fuel, I'm all for it.  Will mineral spirits work in these things?  They seem to be all the same, even if they're 150 yrs old, or new off the shelf.


No. Mineral spirits has too low a flash point. It can run away burn under the right circumstances. Stick with fuel that has a 150 degree flash point like k1, lamp oil, or Klean heat from home depot.


Thanks, I guess we'll stick to lamp oil.  I don't need to molotov cocktail these things.  Can I run pump kerosene in a hurricane lamp?  Like these:
http://in.all.biz/img/in/catalog/122099.jpeg


Yes you can run pump clear k1 in oil lamps. I do not recommend it as it smells a lot more than lamp oil. It is totally safe though.
Link Posted: 12/4/2012 4:08:46 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
*snip*
I cede that liquid paraffin, despite what Miles Stair said, is not *quite* kerosene.  HOWEVER, that product is NOT suitable for burning in oil lamps, which were designed for kerosene.  It's flash point is much higher, and it's capillary action is not the same, due to the slightly longer chain molecules.


Wow, thank you for the well-researched post.  

On the Miles Stair article you cited, he more or less says that liquid paraffin is not quite kerosene.  

 If you wish to burn expensive "Liquid Paraffin" and ruin the capillary action of the wick, or burn 1K kerosene and have rapid charring of the wick and therefore short wick life, that is fine with me - I will  happily sell you new wicks.  But I like long wick life, a bright light, as little charring of the wick top as possible, with a safe and inexpensive fuel.  You may do as you wish as it is your lamp, your wick and your responsibility.  Peace be with you.  Go with God.  Whatever happens it ain't my fault.  The best fuel for metal font center draft lamps in my opinion is Low Odor Mineral Spirits...



It really seems to highlight the fact that heaters, lamps, lanterns, and oil candles are similar, but are different enough that they may run their best with specific types of fuels.  In that regard, it's similar to an internal combustion engine that may be designed to run on gasoline, ethanol, methanol, or a combination thereof.  Similarly, ethanol and methanol are chemically very similar, but one of them makes a rather terrible martini.  

For many of us, oil-fired appliances (for heat or light) are unfamiliar territory and we would be well served to research what type of device we have and what is the proper fuel for it.  At the least, we may end up with clogged wicks.  At the worst, we may have a significant fire hazard.


Please bear in mind that he is referring *Specifically * to center draft lamps when he recommends mineral spirits - Rayo, Aladdin, and Kosmos mainly.


Ummm...

So, we have center draft lamps designed to burn coal oil, are called "oil lamps," and now were burning Standard Oil's "kerosene."  Note the very careful wording - "center draft lamps."  Low Odor Mineral Spirits should not be used in lanterns or flat wick lamps - just larger metal fount center draft lamps designed in the 1880's.  The Aladdin mantle lamp was not designed until 1907 and was intended for use with kerosene.  See more on Low Odor Mineral Spirits below.




I don't know what is special about Aladdin fuel, but I do know you can't just burn anything. I use my kerosene heater mix in my Rayo with no smell at all.
Link Posted: 12/4/2012 5:27:49 AM EDT
[#23]
Since I've already stuck my foot in it a couple of times I'm wondering about ULSD.  Since sulfur is the stankiest part of burning oil lamps, and they have removed most of the sulfur from pump diesel, AND winter blend diesel has a significant portion of D1/K1 in it, I think I'm going to experiment a bit.  I just bought a bunch of wick lamps, and a couple are pretty modern, so I don't mind sacrificing them.  I can set up outside and see what they do, and test some different fuels - I also just bought some K1 substitute at Home Despot ($10.99/gal - yikes), and I have some older pump kerosene around somewhere.

I also scored some Petromax lanterns yesterday, and after rebuilding they might be good test beds as well.   Not to mention instructions on converting a Coleman gas lantern to Kerosene.  I would *really* like to be able to converge on one fuel, and diesel is the best candidate for me.
Link Posted: 12/4/2012 5:53:25 AM EDT
[#24]
Aladdin lamps have a glass fount and do not dissipate heat well. I think that is the main issue with fuel for them. I'm not sure it would make that much difference since any round wick is going to guzzle fuel.
Link Posted: 12/4/2012 6:04:46 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/4/2012 7:35:43 AM EDT
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Aladdin lamps have a glass fount and do not dissipate heat well. I think that is the main issue with fuel for them. I'm not sure it would make that much difference since any round wick is going to guzzle fuel.


Aladdin made plenty of lamps with metal fonts.  I have one.  But they may not make them any more.
Link Posted: 12/4/2012 2:35:53 PM EDT
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Aladdin made plenty of lamps with metal fonts.  I have one.  But they may not make them any more.


Still do as far as I know, Brass, stainless and aluminum in the Heritage series.

Link Posted: 12/4/2012 2:39:29 PM EDT
[#28]
Maybe the center draft tube cools the fount better.
Link Posted: 12/4/2012 5:40:59 PM EDT
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Since I've already stuck my foot in it a couple of times I'm wondering about ULSD.  Since sulfur is the stankiest part of burning oil lamps, and they have removed most of the sulfur from pump diesel, AND winter blend diesel has a significant portion of D1/K1 in it, I think I'm going to experiment a bit.  I just bought a bunch of wick lamps, and a couple are pretty modern, so I don't mind sacrificing them.  I can set up outside and see what they do, and test some different fuels - I also just bought some K1 substitute at Home Despot ($10.99/gal - yikes), and I have some older pump kerosene around somewhere.

I also scored some Petromax lanterns yesterday, and after rebuilding they might be good test beds as well.   Not to mention instructions on converting a Coleman gas lantern to Kerosene.  I would *really* like to be able to converge on one fuel, and diesel is the best candidate for me.


Some of my apprehension with "unapproved" fuels (such as diesel) centers on emissions.  I (and I suspect most of you) do not have a way of knowing and measuring what is emitted when certain fuels burn.  Additionally, emissions can vary based on the device in which they are burned.  I don't want to poison or suffocate myself or my family.
Link Posted: 12/5/2012 4:23:40 PM EDT
[#30]
On a related note, Lehman's has Dietz Blizzard lanterns on sale for $9.99 through the end of the month.
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