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Posted: 9/7/2012 9:13:53 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Fill the bottle to the top with regular tap water. If the tap water has been commercially treated from a water utility with chlorine, you do not need to add anything else to the water to keep it clean. If the water you are using comes from a well or water source that is not treated with chlorine, add two drops of non-scented liquid household chlorine bleach to the water. Let the water stand for 30 minutes before using.
The second sentence caught my eye, because I've always read/been told to add chlorine no matter what. Can anyone tell me how to check and see if my water source (city utility water) is chlorine treated? How long would this water be good for if stored, 6 months as they suggest or longer (blue barrel, non-climate-controlled garage)? |
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Posted: 9/7/2012 9:31:45 AM
Originally Posted By Paulie771: I was bored and decided to scan over Ready.gov and noticed in their water advice column: Fill the bottle to the top with regular tap water. If the tap water has been commercially treated from a water utility with chlorine, you do not need to add anything else to the water to keep it clean. If the water you are using comes from a well or water source that is not treated with chlorine, add two drops of non-scented liquid household chlorine bleach to the water. Let the water stand for 30 minutes before using. The second sentence caught my eye, because I've always read/been told to add chlorine no matter what. Can anyone tell me how to check and see if my water source (city utility water) is chlorine treated? How long would this water be good for if stored, 6 months as they suggest or longer (blue barrel, non-climate-controlled garage)? It will be, just call and ask the water company. It can be chlorine or chloramine. The later last longer and will not disaapate as quickly. Water will last forever, some people treat before (extra chlorine) but its probably not needed. You cna use a filter during shtf if your really worried or re-treat |
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Posted: 9/7/2012 9:50:10 AM
Any EPA compliant system has to add enough disinfectant to leave a residual. What if a fly craps inside the water tank (they are open to the air, and not perfecly screened, plus people climb through them for maintainance, etc.) You can check with you local water utility, but AFAIK, all public systems of any size (100+ users) that use ozone or UV light still add chlorine for the residual.
Adding a few drops isn't going to hurt anything, and may be an advantage if the container is being reused and might have a bit of contamination after the last time it was being used. OTOH, if everything were clean, you wouldn't need any chlorine as may be the case for bottled water. |
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Posted: 9/7/2012 11:03:43 PM
ready.gov
Sorry, but I can't help but think that's an oxymoron. |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 10:44:42 AM
You may need to read further, but I believe that info on ready.gov is intended for short term storage, i.e. fill up when warned the storm is approaching and use up or dump within a week or so.
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Posted: 9/8/2012 12:31:17 PM
[Last Edit: 9/8/2012 12:31:29 PM by Paulie771]
Originally Posted By wp6529:
You may need to read further, but I believe that info on ready.gov is intended for short term storage, i.e. fill up when warned the storm is approaching and use up or dump within a week or so. They say to swap it every six months. If it's chlorinated, why does it matter? |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 12:40:05 PM
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By wp6529:
You may need to read further, but I believe that info on ready.gov is intended for short term storage, i.e. fill up when warned the storm is approaching and use up or dump within a week or so. They say to swap it every six months. If it's chlorinated, why does it matter? Because if it came out of the tap from a municipal supply, it is not filtered and treated to the level necessary for longer term storage. Despite the lies from the anti bottled water loons, bottled drinking water is filtered to a much higher standard than city tap water. It's the same standard as the water used for bottled soda, juices and the like since it's produced in the same plants. That's why bottled water has a 2yr shelf life. |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 11:00:25 PM
Originally Posted By wp6529:
Because if it came out of the tap from a municipal supply, it is not filtered and treated to the level necessary for longer term storage. Despite the lies from the anti bottled water loons, bottled drinking water is filtered to a much higher standard than city tap water. It's the same standard as the water used for bottled soda, juices and the like since it's produced in the same plants. That's why bottled water has a 2yr shelf life. Lots of bottled water is just tap water, and AFAIK, no manufacturer of bottled water admitts to adding higher levels of chlorine, and any that claim to be pure spring water either don't add any or are lying about it. And there is no "standard" companys can make any standard they want. Coke might have strict standards, evian may not. As far as legal regulation it is stricter on tap water then bottles. The specs are virtually the same, but they are far more requirements on actually testing tap water testing, including that violations be reported both to the consumer and to the EPA. There is no such requirement on bottled water. The one edge for bottled water is lead, where EPA allows a higher level at the point of use due to old lead solder in pipes, where no allowance is made by the FDA for copper pipes. Of course, there is no requirement to actually measure the lead in bottled water either. |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 11:08:53 PM
Originally Posted By Country_Boy:
Originally Posted By wp6529:
Because if it came out of the tap from a municipal supply, it is not filtered and treated to the level necessary for longer term storage. Despite the lies from the anti bottled water loons, bottled drinking water is filtered to a much higher standard than city tap water. It's the same standard as the water used for bottled soda, juices and the like since it's produced in the same plants. That's why bottled water has a 2yr shelf life. Lots of bottled water is just tap water, and AFAIK, no manufacturer of bottled water admitts to adding higher levels of chlorine, and any that claim to be pure spring water either don't add any or are lying about it. And there is no "standard" companys can make any standard they want. Coke might have strict standards, evian may not. As far as legal regulation it is stricter on tap water then bottles. The specs are virtually the same, but they are far more requirements on actually testing tap water testing, including that violations be reported both to the consumer and to the EPA. There is no such requirement on bottled water. The one edge for bottled water is lead, where EPA allows a higher level at the point of use due to old lead solder in pipes, where no allowance is made by the FDA for copper pipes. Of course, there is no requirement to actually measure the lead in bottled water either. You're falling for the lies of the anti bottled water loons. The most blatant lie is to claim that bottled drinking water is "just tap water" which is absolutely false. I've spent some time in a bottling plant and their water treatment equipment occupied probably 30% of the facility. The water coming in is from the municipal water system, but that water doesn't even get used for flushing the bottling line between beverages. They pre-filter, chlorinate, post filter, de-chlorinate and reverse osmosis filter the water before it is pure enough for bottling with or without flavors. This is a vastly higher standard than municipal tap water. Whether there is any legal requirement is irrelevant, they expect at least two years shelf life and municipal water standards won't cut it. The bottling plants have more sophisticated QC labs than any municipal water system, indeed many municipal systems have very limited on-site test capabilities and rely on sending samples to outside labs while the bottling plants test everything on every batch. |
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Posted: 9/9/2012 8:15:50 AM
Sure some bottling plants may do that. I know for a fact coke is obsesed with making sure nothign in the water affects their products. However, there is no requirement that any of the other dozens or hundreds of other bottlers do the same. And yes when I was in college we bought a dozen bottles of "drinking water" and they were more or less the same as our local well managed tap water. The presense of a chlorine residual indicated someone was doing chlorination. I know at least one of the companies under contract to FEMA microfilters tap water ,ozonates it and bottles it. Thats it.
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Posted: 9/9/2012 9:51:17 AM
Originally Posted By Country_Boy:
Sure some bottling plants may do that. I know for a fact coke is obsesed with making sure nothign in the water affects their products. However, there is no requirement that any of the other dozens or hundreds of other bottlers do the same. And yes when I was in college we bought a dozen bottles of "drinking water" and they were more or less the same as our local well managed tap water. The presense of a chlorine residual indicated someone was doing chlorination. I know at least one of the companies under contract to FEMA microfilters tap water ,ozonates it and bottles it. Thats it. That "no legal requirement" is what the anti bottled water loons hang on in their lies, as if no company on the planet ever does things that exceed the minimum legal requirements. They then go on to imply that some unnamed bottled water products are "nothing but tap water" without any citations to credible verifyable information. This is no different than the tactics of the anti gun loons. "And yes when I was in college we bought a dozen bottles of "drinking water" and they were more or less the same as our local well managed tap water. The presense of a chlorine residual indicated someone was doing chlorination" - So you tested this water in the lab at school and verified the chlorine residual and contaminant levels, or did you just do a sniff test and come to your conclusion? "I know at least one of the companies under contract to FEMA microfilters tap water ,ozonates it and bottles it. Thats it" - This again is a higher standard than that of municipal tap water. People inclined to the veiw of the propagandists are inclined to believe the propeganda without independent verification, and unfortunately this is what happens with the anti gun and anti bottled water propeganda, people just believe it without rational thought or investigation of the claims. |
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Posted: 9/9/2012 12:46:27 PM
Chlorine residual...how does it work?
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Posted: 9/9/2012 2:43:21 PM
Originally Posted By pighelmet:
Chlorine residual...how does it work? Chlorine reacts with stuff including the bad stuff it kills and is thus consumed. In a municipal water system they are required to add enough chlorine to the water so that the samples collected from the far points of the system still have a minimum (max also) amount of reactive chlorine so that there is still capacity to keep the pipes disinfected i.e. if the is a water main break and repairs which allow contaminants in the water has to be able to disinfect the system again. If you get an annual water report from your municipal water system it's called "residual disinfectant level" and also usually indicates if chlorine of chloramine is used. Bottled water normally does not have any residual disinfectant in it since the water does not have to travel through miles of decades old pipes, but rather is filled into sanitized bottles and sealed. |
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