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Posted: 7/26/2012 6:21:01 PM
Hello all,
I just wanted to ask a quick question. What is the utility of a PDW type weapon such as a MP5k clone that is restricted to semi auto only? I ask because I just sold a gun because I 1. Did not shoot it much and 2. It did not serve an un-filled role in my current arsenal.

While in the local gun shop to do the transfer I saw a MKE mp5k clone. It had the 3 lug barrel and just looked so COOL. This was my problem. I just sold a gun because I bought it a few years back because I thought it was "cool" and I ended up never shooting it, and kind of got tired of it.

Do pistol PDW firearms that are restricted to semi auto only, have any use in the shtf? I know they can be concealed easier the a full sized alternative with a stock, but I figure that the usefullness ends there. The very lack of a stock Ina semi auto firearms like this severely hampers its utility.

What do you think?
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Posted: 7/26/2012 6:36:56 PM
Semi auto is all you need.

Pistols are shitty self defense weapons because of the low powered ammo they use. A more cumbersome weapon with shitty pistol ballistics is not really a step up in efficacy.

A small carbine with an intermediate or low powered round like a 7.62x39mm or a 5.56x45mm NATO is worlds better than a pistol cartridge in every way.

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Posted: 7/26/2012 6:39:37 PM
Chicks dig the pistol caliber carbines. That's why I always keep one around.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 6:44:49 PM
The HK PDW strikes me as all around near useless.

A pistol has several advantages. it is small, easily portable, light, and therefore can be with you always. On the other hand, it is low powered, of very limited practical range, and is harder to shoot with precision than a shoulder weapon.

A carbine offers the exact opposite. It has decent practical range, has decent power, and is relatively easy to shoot. On the other hand, it is far less portable, is heavier, and can be a pain to have with you.

The PDW offers the worst of all possible worlds. Think of it as a very heavy, very cumbersome pistol, with all the the range, accuracy, and power limits, and none of the advantages. In all seriousness, I would much rather a decent handgun (glock, 1911, Beretta M9, police trade model 66) OR a decent carbine (M4, Ruger Mini, even a Ruger 10/22). The PDW is about the last firearm I would want... I think its a compromise that incorporates all the worst possible traits of both a pistol and a carbine.

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Posted: 7/26/2012 7:29:47 PM
Originally Posted By frozenny:
The HK PDW strikes me as all around near useless.


It holds 30 - double what most pistols do.

The "real" ones will drop all 30 in one easy sweep of the wrist, or in several controlled bursts, and are very intimidating for that reason.

A semi PDW clone is a terrible defense weapon, though.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 7:36:34 PM
Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By frozenny:
The HK PDW strikes me as all around near useless.


It holds 30 - double what most pistols do.

The "real" ones will drop all 30 in one easy sweep of the wrist, or in several controlled bursts, and are very intimidating for that reason.

A semi PDW clone is a terrible defense weapon, though.


That would be the only advantage it might have. I like MP-5's and the like just as much as the next gun nut, but only for the cool factor. Definitely would not be a choice for a SHTF weapon though.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:06:11 PM
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That would be the only advantage it might have. I like MP-5's and the like just as much as the next gun nut, but only for the cool factor. Definitely would not be a choice for a SHTF weapon though.


Yeah, it's this cool factor that is getting to me. I just sold an impracticle gun to raise funds to buy NV. The clerk pulled out their personal MKE while I was doing the transfer and all thoughts of NV blew out of my head. I know I should stay the course. Thank you for helping clear my head.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:11:11 PM
While there is something to be said for a pistol/rifle combo that uses the same ammo, I went with the AKS-74U for a PDW. Not much difference in size when compared to a lot of sub guns, but a lot more capable...

If you want compact fire power go for an sbr AKSU or AR-15.

If I HAD to use a pistol caliber, I'd go with a carbine that uses the same mags as my side arm. In my case that would mean an AR built on a Lonewolf lower that can use Glock mags, or a KelTec Sub2000... There are other options for non-Glock folks, such as the cx4storm from Beretta, etc.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 9:14:53 PM
A 7.62x39 SBR is tits in my book.

9mm SBR's are cool range toys though and suppress well.

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Posted: 7/26/2012 10:54:30 PM
The only arguement I can make for a PDW like the MP5K is magazine capacity. It doesn't really lend itself well to a good sight picture, unless you SBR it with a stock.

And that arguement can be nullified with a Glock 19 and 33-round magazines if you're looking for something concealable with optional large capacity capability.

The only way I'd ever consider one is if it had some sort of down-range aiming system, like a laser.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 11:58:01 PM
i think a sbr , mp5k, would be a awesome home self defense weapon....
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Posted: 7/27/2012 12:38:36 AM
Easier to shoot that type of weapon accurately compared to a pistol. I have experience with MP5's. I would feel more than comfortable with it's "shitty pistol ballistics".
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Posted: 7/27/2012 2:20:01 AM
I would much rather a decent handgun (glock, 1911, Beretta M9, police trade model 66) OR a decent carbine

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Posted: 7/27/2012 8:24:48 AM
Originally Posted By wesmerc:
Easier to shoot that type of weapon accurately compared to a pistol. I have experience with MP5's. I would feel more than comfortable with it's "shitty pistol ballistics".


Yes, but only if you have one with a stock which would need to be registered as an SBR. And you still get shitty pistol round ballistics.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 9:27:46 AM
Originally Posted By buck19delta:
i think a sbr , mp5k, would be a awesome home self defense weapon....


Until you have to shoot it one handed, not so accurate then. A pistol with a good light would be more effective. A belt fed LMG would be WAAAAYY cooler.

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Posted: 7/27/2012 9:46:23 AM
Originally Posted By leatherpuke:
Originally Posted By buck19delta:
i think a sbr , mp5k, would be a awesome home self defense weapon....


Until you have to shoot it one handed, not so accurate then. A pistol with a good light would be more effective. A belt fed LMG would be WAAAAYY cooler.



Meh, piece of cake. I've emptied 30 round mags full auto with an mp5 at close range with one hand. That's the advantage of 9mm. Of course, without the full auto most of the advantages of the mp5 platform disappear. For a pistol caliber carbine I like .45.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 10:19:29 AM

Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By frozenny:
The HK PDW strikes me as all around near useless.


It holds 30 - double what most pistols do.

The "real" ones will drop all 30 in one easy sweep of the wrist, or in several controlled bursts, and are very intimidating for that reason.



How about a 5.56/7.39 in very similar size?

Intimidating meets effective.....thus the death of 9mm sub guns.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 3:20:55 PM
Originally Posted By M4:

Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By frozenny:
The HK PDW strikes me as all around near useless.


It holds 30 - double what most pistols do.

The "real" ones will drop all 30 in one easy sweep of the wrist, or in several controlled bursts, and are very intimidating for that reason.



How about a 5.56/7.39 in very similar size?

Intimidating meets effective.....thus the death of 9mm sub guns.


Yep. It really shouldn't be much of a question anymore. Why go pistol caliber when you can have rifle ballistics in essentially the same package?
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Posted: 7/27/2012 4:05:58 PM
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A guy I work with has mak 10 or something or other, And said something about having a gun for shtf. I explained that because its not accurate, small or light, All its good for is to throw under the truck seat in case you got in some real shit and needed to be able to drive and spray out 30 rounds to get away, and or hold it by the magazine and use it as a melee weapon.

An MP5 serves even less of a purpose in my opinion, its larger and more front heavy. Unless your doing cia stuff with full auto. Other than a cool factor gun, which it ranks very high for cool looks and options.


ETA: An A.K. pistola with a short barrel would be a much better option. Especially for S.H.T.F
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Posted: 7/27/2012 9:03:28 PM
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Posted: 7/27/2012 11:06:03 PM
I feel VERY confident w my MP5K PDW as a home defense firearm.
I do get tickled at those who say it is "only" a pistol caliber.

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Posted: 7/27/2012 11:13:12 PM
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We have a couple at my Dept, it's a formidable weapon/platform when used within it's intended means.


Last I checked those "crappy pistol calibers" like the 9mm in a mp5 had more penetration through walls in a house then my AR with duty load.

Hence the reason why my Dept moved towards SBR's in 5.56mm over the MP5, simply put, over penetration = liability.


I would not personally pick this platform for SHTF or any other reason for myself as the ergonomics just don't work for me.

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Posted: 7/28/2012 3:39:17 AM
didnt the fbi, have a mess of 10mm caliber mp5 weapons years ago? 10mm mp5....
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Posted: 7/28/2012 4:27:06 AM
Originally Posted By buck19delta:
didnt the fbi, have a mess of 10mm caliber mp5 weapons years ago? 10mm mp5....

They still do.

In what way will this augment my ability to "render inoperative armed opponents" and break things...? (Gotta stay PC for work... don'tchya'know....)
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Posted: 7/28/2012 8:10:01 AM
I've never thought of it as a SHTF gun, but I love my MP5...




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Posted: 7/28/2012 9:57:27 AM
Originally Posted By 9mmCarbine:
I've never thought of it as a SHTF gun, but I love my MP5...


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