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 Balista
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Posted: 6/17/2012 8:28:12 AM
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Posted: 6/17/2012 8:42:34 AM
[Last Edit: 6/17/2012 8:47:59 AM by TomJefferson]
My parents lived through the Great Depression and my grandfather through the crash of the 1920s. It took WWII to rebuild our infrastructure to get out of that one.
I started life on my own during the 1973 recession. It took ten years and a TV Actor from California throwing people off welfare and social security for us to get out that one. As long as you have capitalism things will get better, but ten years or more is a hell of a long time. Its made worse if you are doing the wrong things. Its not governments place to dictate technology to leave oil. What's wrong with a free market economy dictating what comes next by what makes sense? Its like people believe we're going to wake up one day and there's no coal to make electricity. Like we were too stupid to look in the pantry to see how much food we had left and then was surprised we have to starve. In capitalism this all takes care of its self. As the resource availability declines, the price will increase and instead of three guys with a 50% government tax subsidy driving down everyone's lives, you'll have 3,000 trying to come up with a cost effective alternative. That's how capitalism works. It has its ups and downs, cycles, but ultimately the curve is continued forward. Socialism and Communism is more akin to Feudalism where the elite few, nobility, controlled everything from the price of a loaf of bread to the wages a man made. It was so stagnant to growth in Europe we called it "The Dark Ages". I put to you all, we are not smarter, more intelligent, and like Captain Smith of the Titanic thought immune to disaster. We're following the same course and like Titanic trying to break a world record our throttle is wide open. Those times we bounced back, we didn't have all these regulations that prevent that bounce back or 50% our people on the government tit. We don't have 18 million out of work, we have 168 million out of work. You aren't prepping for this shit by a mountain of food. This thing is worse than the zombie apocalypse. Material things are temporary shelter in a storm at best. Like the electric windmill that government has to subsidize 50% and to supply the nation, we'd all have to move, its a waste of money, its simply not practical. Anything we do now, ANYTHING, is temporary at best and subject to confiscation by a government hell bent on taking what is yours. The only preparation for this is knowledge, knowledge that can develop into wisdom. The wisdom to fight politically the changes coming at us. The wisdom to know strength is in family numbers. We're so smart now, 50% of Americans spend their last days and die alone. Just as the inevitable conclusion of trying to live off a credit card is it crashes so is if all you do is live your life around the royal "Me" you will end it alone. We have no choice when we are born but to come into this world kicking and screaming, but we do going out of this world. We can die as we came in kicking and screaming, we can die with a whimper, or we can die with smile. Tj |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:49:53 PM
[Last Edit: 6/17/2012 1:00:30 PM by EXPY37]
Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
My parents lived through the Great Depression and my grandfather through the crash of the 1920s. It took WWII to rebuild our infrastructure to get out of that one. I started life on my own during the 1973 recession. It took ten years and a TV Actor from California throwing people off welfare and social security for us to get out that one. As long as you have capitalism things will get better, but ten years or more is a hell of a long time. Its made worse if you are doing the wrong things. Its not governments place to dictate technology to leave oil. What's wrong with a free market economy dictating what comes next by what makes sense? Its like people believe we're going to wake up one day and there's no coal to make electricity. Like we were too stupid to look in the pantry to see how much food we had left and then was surprised we have to starve. In capitalism this all takes care of its self. As the resource availability declines, the price will increase and instead of three guys with a 50% government tax subsidy driving down everyone's lives, you'll have 3,000 trying to come up with a cost effective alternative. That's how capitalism works. It has its ups and downs, cycles, but ultimately the curve is continued forward. Socialism and Communism is more akin to Feudalism where the elite few, nobility, controlled everything from the price of a loaf of bread to the wages a man made. It was so stagnant to growth in Europe we called it "The Dark Ages". I put to you all, we are not smarter, more intelligent, and like Captain Smith of the Titanic thought immune to disaster. We're following the same course and like Titanic trying to break a world record our throttle is wide open. Those times we bounced back, we didn't have all these regulations that prevent that bounce back or 50% our people on the government tit. We don't have 18 million out of work, we have 168 million out of work. You aren't prepping for this shit by a mountain of food. This thing is worse than the zombie apocalypse. Material things are temporary shelter in a storm at best. Like the electric windmill that government has to subsidize 50% and to supply the nation, we'd all have to move, its a waste of money, its simply not practical. Anything we do now, ANYTHING, is temporary at best and subject to confiscation by a government hell bent on taking what is yours. The only preparation for this is knowledge, knowledge that can develop into wisdom. The wisdom to fight politically the changes coming at us. The wisdom to know strength is in family numbers. We're so smart now, 50% of Americans spend their last days and die alone. Just as the inevitable conclusion of trying to live off a credit card is it crashes so is if all you do is live your life around the royal "Me" you will end it alone. We have no choice when we are born but to come into this world kicking and screaming, but we do going out of this world. We can die as we came in kicking and screaming, we can die with a whimper, or we can die with smile. Tj This is TJ's most succinct post of all. Clearly, he paints a picture of the reality we face and that most, even here, bury their heads in the sand to avoid. A Bird Flu Pandemic would be a gift compared to what's coming, resulting from the inattention, greed, and self-absorbedness of the public, who are mostly responsible for allowing and facilitating cutting our own throats with the knife we sharpened and handed to the Elite Leftists. Not much different from the history of every other country they've stolen with the price of countless millions of lives. Just an updated technology applied to a brilliant strategy to bring us to our fate. |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 1:53:31 PM
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Originally Posted By planemaker:
I'm actually somewhat more upbeat than I have been of late. I'm starting to see more and more people are getting fed up with the entitlement mentality, the massive unchecked banking fraud, the apparent rampant voter fraud, the inability of Washington to rein itself in, Odumbo trying to circumvent "inconvenient" laws and the Constitution itself, all of it. The big question is whether the level of "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" will rise to enough of a threshold to re-take our government before it all comes crashing down around us. For certain, if the economy collapses, the fed-up crew will have the upper hand and will absolutely implement a "zero baseline" government, because there will be no choice BUT to do that. I'm hoping the tidal wave of actual conservatism will be enough to turn the ship of state before it goes over Niagra Falls. It won't be this election at the presidential level, though, as Rino-ney appears to have the nomination. I'm not sure what's going to happen at the House and Senate level. Unless the Senate changes hands and the go-along-to-get-along House leadership doesn't change, we'll have 2-4 years of more of the same. We don't have 2-4 years to fix the problem. Frankly, if the elections this fall don't produce a noticeable sea change, I fear that we won't get the opportunity to right the ship before disaster strikes.  You can see even in survival forums that most don't have a clue or any interest in what's coming down the pike. Considering the vast amt of Sheeple, we're prolly screwed. The election won't be decided on rational logic, that's for sure. Candidates Hair-doo's might be the deciding factor tho. 
Maybe it's just my bias, but I'm seeing a lot more people "getting it". White collar, blue collar, no collar, it seems like everybody I talk to makes some kind of remark about either the economy, the .gov, inflation, or something. They ALL know something just isn't right, but they may not know exactly what. They seem to all know <for sure> that what the .gov and the talking heads on the boob tube are telling them doesn't match the reality they are seeing. Furthermore, while I'm sure there are as many reasons as there are people, there are a LOT of people, many for the first time, buying guns and ammo. Case in point, a guy I've known for 10+ years just last month bought his first handgun. He has a rifle or two, including a Garand, but never thought he "needed" a handgun until recently. He took an introductory class and is getting ready to take a handgun self defense class. He also started buying silver last year "just in case". It also appears to me that there are a lot more folks are actually doing at least <some> kind of "prepping", even if they don't call it that themselves, by putting together their hurricane/earthquake/tornado/flood/disaster-of-choice kit. While that might tide them over for the short term, there aren't nearly as many who are actively taking measures to protect themselves in the event of a long term problem. Even there, though, the evidence points to a LOT of people "getting it". Depending on who you believe, there are very few "individual investors" left in the stock market, as most have sold out. There are still MILLIONS of silver eagles and gold eagle coins still being sold by the US Mint. See here. While the stock extraction might be explained by people cashing out to live on, the extraordinary numbers of bullion gold and silver sales can't be explained by anything other than a LOT of people are worried about their wealth evaporating and are taking measures accordingly. Not enough, to be sure, but seemingly more all the time... |
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