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Posted: 4/15/2012 7:59:48 AM
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I get a text this morning from my wife asking if we have any gas. I ask her to clarify, even though i am pretty sure she means gasoline. The power was on when I left this morning... maybe its off now?
She texts back confirming its gasoline she is after. I tell her sure, there's 18 gallons in the remote tank, and 6 sceptre cans in the barn. Almost 50 gal total. I assume hearing this quantity will alleviate any concerns she might have about running the generator until the juice comes back on. Well, I get busy at work for a while and don't make it back to my phone for about an hour. Her response indicates that several of her coworkers are unable to fuel their cars because the power is out in town, and none of the gas stations are open.



The cars she was asking to fuel are personal vehicles used to deliver rural mail routes for USPS.
Most of her fellow employees are folks I wouldn't think twice about loaning $20 to... but the fact that they all know that we have $200+ in fuel onhand bothers me considerably.

I supplied a few Aquatainers for potable water when the office was without water last year due to a main break... So now they know we have fuel and water covered
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Posted: 4/15/2012 8:04:20 AM
Hopefully they will at least re-imburse you for the gas.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 8:57:01 AM
hmmmm the .gov asking for the stored resources of it's citizens......

soon to be a regular occurrence.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 9:22:45 AM
unfortunately, they didn't ask, it was volunteered! Next time is what worries me, because now they will know to ask.
I will be reimbursed for all or it, plus a little im sure, as I said, most of these people are good folks, but damn.

The wife knows I have some gas stored... not in what quantity (because she would insist its too much) or where (because she dosent care).

I guess I need to figure out how to articulate that the failure of her coworkers to plan even the slightest, as in tomorrow, is not an emergency. And maybe that fueling a fleet of cars isn't the same as a donating canned goods to the boy scouts.

All this is of course compounded by the fact that the reason the power was off was tornado damage... and all her coworkers knew was that it rained last night.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 9:41:49 AM
Poor judgement on both of your parts.

There was a storm and the mail was held back for two days. So what? That's not an emergency. It's barely qualifies as an inconvenience. If the town is without utilities, would you even notice that the mail had lapsed?
The mail not being delivered for a day or two is hardly a good reason to deplete you own supplies; especially if you're in a storm damaged area and still might need to rely on the provisions for yourself. It is downright frivolous to go from stocked to barren with nothing at stake.

On your end, you know that she's an information hemorrhage. You should manage more closely. "Do we have any gas?" warrants a phone call rather than assumptions and text messages.

If you had called and she told you that she wanted to know if there was gas to put in her coworker's cars, you would know that she had already told them that she might be able to supply some, and may have had the presence of mind to tell her that there was only a gallon for the mower, so that they could all hear her disappointed response of, "oooohhh .... I thought we might .... no, huh .... okay ....."
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Posted: 4/15/2012 9:46:30 AM
Mark it up, sell it. Say it is special contract US .gov gas.

Sounds like your USPS needs a backup plan.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 9:47:36 AM

Originally Posted By abinok:
Next time is what worries me, because now they will know to ask.
start it at 20 usd per gallon. And Im not kidding.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 9:58:21 AM
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Now that everyone knows, saying "no" from time to time, is a PITA but that's about it.

OPSEC is a fleeting commodity especially gasoline. You're talking people start noticing you have that stuff day 1. They start suspecting it, within minutes of being dark or seconds you fire up a generator or car engine.

Twice now, I've been in over 1 week total utility outages. What I learned was, on this topic, people are not as much driven on what they know as what they hope. A light through a window means they have everything and living a normal life, even if its a candle.

I have no visions of my family staying healthy while those around us starve and nobody notices. It isn't going to happen. They're going to suspect you have it whether you do or not way before anyone can say, look he doesn't look grubby enough.

OPSEC is not going to protect you from having to maintain control of your supplies. It just buys you a little time at most.

The incident you have, next time all you have to say is I didn't refill them, sorry.

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Posted: 4/15/2012 10:02:31 AM
Sorry to hear but there is hope.

My wife would have done the same thing in the not so distant past. However, this past fall we had a middle aged lady run out of gas in front of our house. My wife was the first to talk with her and she came to me and asked first. We have a small 2 gal can for just such occurrences, we gave it to her and she returned the can. Then, a few days later she stopped by with another new 2 gallon can full and left it at our door.

Again, I am can say with almost certainty, a few years ago we would have filled up her car out of our main storage tank. Not so much now.

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Posted: 4/15/2012 10:33:06 AM
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Eh, just remember no man is an island unto himself. So they know you have goods to barter for. If they try to take it by force stack the bodies high and deep.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 10:53:43 AM
Originally Posted By safe1:
Sorry to hear but there is hope.

My wife would have done the same thing in the not so distant past. However, this past fall we had a middle aged lady run out of gas in front of our house. My wife was the first to talk with her and she came to me and asked first. We have a small 2 gal can for just such occurrences, we gave it to her and she returned the can. Then, a few days later she stopped by with another new 2 gallon can full and left it at our door.

Again, I am can say with almost certainty, a few years ago we would have filled up her car out of our main storage tank. Not so much now.

S-1



Im glad to hear this... I keep waiting on some of this stuff to "click".

My wife and I have been down on our luck before, and when in that position its hard to help others. Now that we have our shit together, we're in a position of relative strength. I can't fault her for trying to help out people who need it, but she doesn't really get that helping is for people who need help, not people who are stupid. We have had folks run out of gas on the closest road before, and she has taken them a couple of gallons. Maybe she was thinking that since it was her coworkers it was ok.

We're remote enough that we can run a generator for days and nobody will hear it. Our closest neighbors are a mile away.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 11:03:44 AM
Originally Posted By Lootie23:
Eh, just remember no man is an island unto himself. So they know you have goods to barter for. If they try to take it by force stack the bodies high and deep.


They already know were the ones to trade with. 3 of them are buying hales of beef from us next month! One of them does own a liquor store As far as force goes... well... lets just say that the closest cover is 1200 yards from my front door, and wheat fields make great fields of fire.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 11:23:26 AM
Originally Posted By wildearp:
Mark it up, sell it. Say it is special contract US .gov gas.

Sounds like your USPS needs a backup plan.


I like it!
Strategic oil reserve=postal gas reserve?

These are private vehicles, so the argument will be made that if I don't expect somebody to fill my car when its empty so I can go to work, they shouldn't either.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 11:59:17 AM
Wifey considers this area to be my domain...she would not ask.
We are a small nuclear family with mostly like minded friends.

I can think of only 2 friends that are weak on preps...they bring alot of baggage as well.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 1:35:29 PM
Just how far away is the next unaffected town with a gas station?

It's Sunday, no mail delivery today, power may be on tomorrow and fuel may be obtained.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 1:59:11 PM
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I was a rural carrier for a while , keeping their vehicle moving is their job . When I finished my route I filled my truck , being me kept had fuel at home also . I still never let my truck get below a half of a tank even though my current job provides me with a vehicle and gas . Next time tell your wife to tell them she will run their route ,of course for the full route pay and they have to case and bundle/ box it so when she comes in she can load up and go right back out .
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Posted: 4/15/2012 2:09:10 PM
Originally Posted By Recorderguy:
Just how far away is the next unaffected town with a gas station?

It's Sunday, no mail delivery today, power may be on tomorrow and fuel may be obtained.


Good catch. I actually typed this yesterday, but only just had a chance to post.
Town is 7 miles away. next closest fuel is 12 miles further than that.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 3:05:17 PM
Buy a copy of the movie 'The Road' and next time you have a good storm/blackout pop in the DVD and watch it with your wife.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 3:33:08 PM
Originally Posted By Rich_V:
Buy a copy of the movie 'The Road' and next time you have a good storm/blackout pop in the DVD and watch it with your wife.


nope... she has already seen it. The only part of Miss Theron's characters (the wife/mom) behavior she didn't at least kinda sympathize with was offing yourself with a kid to care for, or seriously considering offing your own kid too.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 3:39:31 PM
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
hmmmm the .gov asking for the stored resources of it's citizens......

soon to be a regular occurrence.


I guess we could all "Go Postal" if it comes to that.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:37:12 AM
In addition to the OPSEC lecture, remember to ask her why the next time she asks where the preps are.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 1:03:49 AM
I feel for ya. I finally got a gen for Christmas and started storing and rotating small amounts of fuel. There are damn few people who know I have either. I'm working on new ways to to keep it hidden, it ain't easy, but you wife may as well have taken out an ad in your local newspaper. She doesn't need to know everything about what you have either.