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Posted: 9/2/2011 10:55:36 AM EST
Hi,

I have been hanging around this forum for a while now and have gotten many good ideas about preparedness / survival from here and thank all of you for the information!

I would like to hear your ideas about what we can do to improve our house's resistance to attack by zombies (or whatever threat you like) when we have decided to try and survive a SHTF situation by bugging in.

My family is pretty well prepared as far as food and water, firearms and ammo, etc. are concerned, and would like to ensure that we can hang on to the provisions we have in the event of a crisis, without making the place look like a prison.

We live in the suburbs in a late '70's ranch style house and I was thinking that one of the main weaknesses of any house are the windows, so have been reading up on security films for them. Has anyone applied these films to their home? Is there anything you would have done differently? They come in several thicknesses and I was wondering if the thicker ones reduce light transmission enough to be a problem?

Also the 3 exterior doors are obviously weak spots, so I want to install some sort of unobtrusive door jamb armor and would like any recommendations on those as well. The front door is metal, but the hinges and jamb are the typical residential types and could be upgraded.

The back door is a French double door style and I'm not sure what can be done to improve it's resistance to force. Any ideas?

The attached garage door is heavy wood and has a screw-type door opener so I think it would be nearly impossible to raise by force. I guess someone could hack through it with an axe given enough time and opportunity, but they better be good at dodging the rounds coming through the door from our side.

I'm sure that there are lots of things I am forgetting, and I know that if someone wants in bad enough they will probably eventually get in, but I'd like to make it as hard or costly to them as possible.

Any thoughts?

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Posted: 9/2/2011 11:54:25 AM EST
You need to check out a book called the secure home.

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This will cover everything you can think of and more.

There is also a a sub forum in the armory for safes and home security. Tons of good info there.

Good luck.

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I have 3M film on my patio door glass that make them far more resistant to rocks and other blunt trauma-it goes on just like window tint on a car.

One of the most common weaknesses to most homes in my opinion is fire suppression-I'd give that a long hard look.

Burning someone out is as cheap and effective now as it was centuries ago.

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Posted: 9/2/2011 12:45:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
I have 3M film on my patio door glass that make them far more resistant to rocks and other blunt trauma-it goes on just like window tint on a car.

One of the most common weaknesses to most homes in my opinion is fire suppression-I'd give that a long hard look.

Burning someone out is as cheap and effective now as it was centuries ago.

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Yep. I can defend against intruders.

But all it takes is one molotov against the house and you have a real problem.

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Originally Posted By glklvr:
Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
I have 3M film on my patio door glass that make them far more resistant to rocks and other blunt trauma-it goes on just like window tint on a car.

One of the most common weaknesses to most homes in my opinion is fire suppression-I'd give that a long hard look.

Burning someone out is as cheap and effective now as it was centuries ago.

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Yep. I can defend against intruders.

But all it takes is one molotov against the house and you have a real problem.



My thoughts exactly as I was reading this.

I think it was in the book Patriots, where they added sprinkler system to their roof for such events.
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Posted: 9/2/2011 1:02:17 PM EST
Make a couple of those bear "traps" they use on cabins. Plywood with decking screws all over them set points up. Set them out at night near any entry way.
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Anyone with a quart of gas and an old car can be inside pretty quickly. I try not to think about it. Also, the fire mentioned above is a nightmare I have regularly.
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Posted: 9/2/2011 2:18:02 PM EST
Thanks, I'll try and get a copy of Secure Home.

True about a molotov cocktail making most of the other devices a moot point. I guess being ready to make a hasty retreat needs to be part of the preps...I do think the window film is a good idea if only to help keep out a smash and grab type thief.

I have been wanting to read Patriots, maybe once I finish One Second After.

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I have installed 3m security window film to all of my ground floor windows, and my back door, which has a large pane of glass.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Residential/Safety-Security_Window_Films/Ultra_Prestige_Series/

It is expensive. It cost me about $20 per square foot. They apply the film to the inside of your window only. The installer I used recommended that they also install what they called an "Impact Protection Adhesive". They wanted to charge ANOTHER $20 per square foot to do this. I said no, but I did allow them to do it on the back door only, which I consider to be the most obvious target.

Well, when they actually did the installation, it turns out that the "Impact Protection Adhesive" is nothing more than caulk, applied to the perimeter of the glass. This is the exact type of caulk they used:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KZYJ8E/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000L00N0Q&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1NPWT81N19SV1K0KA9F0

It sells for $8.25 per tube on Amazon. After observing the installation, I bought a tube, and did several other windows with it myself. It does not look as neat as the back door, but at less than 1% of the cost, I'll take it.

I also installed Strikemaster II plates on my front and back door. These are essentially a 5 foot long steel plate that attaches over your door frame. You then screw about 12 two and a half inch screws into the holes in the strikemaster plate that go into the studs around the door. It is barely noticeable. It won't irritate your wife too much. It costs about $75.

This is their promotional video. It accurately describes the nature of the product, IMO. It is, however, supremely cheesy.

http://www.asafehome.net/videos.html
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Just one sidebar- defend your home at your neighbor's home- as distant a neighbor as possible- it's safer.

Get a group together, look for how much territory you can cover and use the resources of.

Don't try to stop a bullet at your bedroom door, if you can stop it one thousand feet away.
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Don't give up at the thought of a Molotov being thrown. They are not all that effective.

Some video (film actually) made after the Watts riots showed several tests using ordinary dry chemical extinguishers on the results of Molotovs being thrown. Most of the time there was little difficulty in extinguishing these. Much of the time the amount of fire produced was not very impressive and easily dealt with.

Also, it's not all that easy to get the bottle to break. Other than an exterior brick wall, there are not a lot of surfaces guaranteed to break one. They just bounce off and burn harmlessly. The average mutt who is likely to attack with a Molotov is as likely to hurt himself as his intended victim.

Have a few small extinguishers on hand and make them easy to get to if things get shaky. Designate someone to shoot the fool who tries to get one lit and thrown. Be aware that a few chemicals added to the equation can make these things ignite on breaking, but the average troll won't have the know-how to attempt this.
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You can't defend a location forever without active security measures. If you button up, eventually attackers will get through. To properly secure an area, you need active patrols....and that means manpower for those of you who are gonna be a one man show.

Now lets talk realistically.

You can't prevent a determined burglar from breaking in your house. What you can do is make your house less desirous than your neighbors house. Criminals are, by nature, lazy. Make it hard to get in, they will go elsewhere looking for easier pickings.

Motion lights. Cheapest security feature that actually works.

Alarms. Don't bother with monitored alarms. The response time is like crap because there are so many alarms. However, burglars HATE noisy alarms. They hate noise in general. Get a sound making alarm.

Dogs. Burglars HATE dogs. See above about noise.

Cameras. A motion recording camera system is nice and fairly cheap. If all your security measures fail, at least you can record the dirtbags.
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Originally Posted By glklvr:
Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
I have 3M film on my patio door glass that make them far more resistant to rocks and other blunt trauma-it goes on just like window tint on a car.

One of the most common weaknesses to most homes in my opinion is fire suppression-I'd give that a long hard look.

Burning someone out is as cheap and effective now as it was centuries ago.

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Yep. I can defend against intruders.

But all it takes is one molotov against the house and you have a real problem.


anybody know off hand how well the old asbestos siding helps with this?


I may have another angle to keep ours beyond "I'm too lazy to change it"



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Originally Posted By Plattekill:
Just one sidebar- defend your home at your neighbor's home- as distant a neighbor as possible- it's safer.

Get a group together, look for how much territory you can cover and use the resources of.

Don't try to stop a bullet at your bedroom door, if you can stop it one thousand feet away.


This right here!

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Posted: 9/2/2011 5:04:44 PM EST
I picked up 50, 35 gal plastic tubs, used for storage, post christmas at Target or Big Lots or something for $2 each with lids
they are stacked in the barn...

IF shtf and taking fire was an issue,,they can be stacked, filled with dirt in key points inside the house and that much dirt or sand, will slow down if not stop most small arms fire..


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Posted: 9/2/2011 7:36:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By TUBBY:
Make a couple of those bear "traps" they use on cabins. Plywood with decking screws all over them set points up. Set them out at night near any entry way.


Shingles, cut into long strips and fitted with roofing nails is a pretty good option too.
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Its not a matter of a set fire being easy to put out. The question is how you extinguish a fire if there is someone outside waiting for you.
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Originally Posted By Plattekill:
Just one sidebar- defend your home at your neighbor's home- as distant a neighbor as possible- it's safer.

Get a group together, look for how much territory you can cover and use the resources of.

Don't try to stop a bullet at your bedroom door, if you can stop it one thousand feet away.
+1

Best way to defend your home, get your neighbors to help. If your choose to go the secret squirrel route it may be your neighbor your fighting.

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Originally Posted By Ziggy2c:

Originally Posted By Plattekill:
Just one sidebar- defend your home at your neighbor's home- as distant a neighbor as possible- it's safer.

Get a group together, look for how much territory you can cover and use the resources of.

Don't try to stop a bullet at your bedroom door, if you can stop it one thousand feet away.
+1

Best way to defend your home, get your neighbors to help. If your choose to go the secret squirrel route it may be your neighbor your fighting.


''Rourke's Drift is the exception, the Alamo is the rule....

In plain English, if your attacker is determined enough, he will win, As mentioned above, the best option is a "defense in depth" with multiple fallback positions as far out as possible. If the attacker takes enough casualties, they may look for easier pickin's.

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Originally Posted By glklvr:
Its not a matter of a set fire being easy to put out. The question is how you extinguish a fire if there is someone outside waiting for you.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

If a situation was ugly enough, how hard would it be for someone to set a fire, and then pick people off as they responded? Is that a realistic scenario? I have no idea. That said, if I were a criminal and wanted to take what was yours that's how I'd do it. Set a fire, retreat to standoff distance, and mop up the occupants as they responded.

ETA: We've got a lot of current and former mil and LEOs who frequent this forum. What is the "correct" answer from a tactical standpoint to the scenario I outlined above?
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Originally Posted By dan45678:
I have installed 3m security window film to all of my ground floor windows, and my back door, which has a large pane of glass.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Residential/Safety-Security_Window_Films/Ultra_Prestige_Series/

It is expensive. It cost me about $20 per square foot. They apply the film to the inside of your window only. The installer I used recommended that they also install what they called an "Impact Protection Adhesive". They wanted to charge ANOTHER $20 per square foot to do this. I said no, but I did allow them to do it on the back door only, which I consider to be the most obvious target.


Do you think you could have handled the installation of the 3M security film by yourself?
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Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
Originally Posted By glklvr:
Its not a matter of a set fire being easy to put out. The question is how you extinguish a fire if there is someone outside waiting for you.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

If a situation was ugly enough, how hard would it be for someone to set a fire, and then pick people off as they responded? Is that a realistic scenario? I have no idea. That said, if I were a criminal and wanted to take what was yours that's how I'd do it. Set a fire, retreat to standoff distance, and mop up the occupants as they responded.

ETA: We've got a lot of current and former mil and LEOs who frequent this forum. What is the "correct" answer from a tactical standpoint to the scenario I outlined above?


It's not even a matter of them wanting what's yours. I can easily see a neighbor's/crowd's response as being "if I can't have it, neither can you."

Just another reason to keep any preps quiet.

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Very true.

I've had issues here during extended power outages from ice storms of neighbors being extremely upset because I had a generator and they didn't. I've had to deal with attempts of theft and vandalism-and these were people that I had always gotten along with.

The entitlement mentality is a very ugly side of human behavior

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Very true.

I've had issues here during extended power outages from ice storms of neighbors being extremely upset because I had a generator and they didn't. I've had to deal with attempts of theft and vandalism-and these were people that I had always gotten along with.

The entitlement mentality is a very ugly side of human behavior

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I have installed 3m security window film to all of my ground floor windows, and my back door, which has a large pane of glass.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Residential/Safety-Security_Window_Films/Ultra_Prestige_Series/

It is expensive. It cost me about $20 per square foot. They apply the film to the inside of your window only. The installer I used recommended that they also install what they called an "Impact Protection Adhesive". They wanted to charge ANOTHER $20 per square foot to do this. I said no, but I did allow them to do it on the back door only, which I consider to be the most obvious target.


Do you think you could have handled the installation of the 3M security film by yourself?


I do not believe I could have done a good job adhering it to the windows without any prior experience. I'm sure there would have been bubbles and creases.
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You can't defend a location forever without active security measures. If you button up, eventually attackers will get through. To properly secure an area, you need active patrols....and that means manpower for those of you who are gonna be a one man show.

Now lets talk realistically.

You can't prevent a determined burglar from breaking in your house. What you can do is make your house less desirous than your neighbors house. Criminals are, by nature, lazy. Make it hard to get in, they will go elsewhere looking for easier pickings.

Motion lights. Cheapest security feature that actually works.

Alarms. Don't bother with monitored alarms. The response time is like crap because there are so many alarms. However, burglars HATE noisy alarms. They hate noise in general. Get a sound making alarm.

Dogs. Burglars HATE dogs. See above about noise.

Cameras. A motion recording camera system is nice and fairly cheap. If all your security measures fail, at least you can record the dirtbags.



My thoughts also. There have been many break-ins around this part of the county. We are rual so neighbors are spread out somewhat.

My place has not been hit. Why? House is fenced in 360. All gates remain shut/chained/locked. 24/7. Gates are wrapped with barbwire Multi vehicles always home. 70 lb chow/APBT mix outsied. Flag pole that is visible from road flies USMC and/or Gadsen flag(s). Locals refer to my place as "Little Waco".

But above all I give credit to the Father for His protection.

I agree that a determined foe will defeat what I have in place. But like is said- Scum Bags usually look for the path of least resistance/work/threat.

What I do not have in place is a fire suppression system. And I too have had troubling thoughts about this.

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