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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:35:01 AM
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For your average guy who is looking at long term survival and isn't counting on extended mass combat with anyone, what is the viability of a good 30-30 lever action such as the Marlin or Winchester variety as a primary survival rifle? (Of note, this is simply a question as food for thought. I already have my stockpile )
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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:45:26 AM
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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:48:39 AM
Yeah, forgive the misspelling. My spell-check didn't catch it, and my stupid factor kicked in. Nor is my computer letting me fix it.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:59:21 AM
Lever Actions for SHTF (my ignorant opinion)

Pros:
Simpler mechanism = more reliable than semi autos (of the same price range)
Good knock down power
Accurate with quick follow up shots (compared to a bolt action)
They just look cool
reasonable size and weight for carrying

Cons:
limited capacity (# of rounds)
Expensive / harder-to-find ammo
replacement parts more difficult to find
Not well suited to sniper type shots - +200 yards
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:30:23 AM
I would have no problem with my 94 as my survival weapon. I killed 3 deer running with it, several wild hogs. It's never let me down in over 20 years. The hollow points make a nasty exit wound as well.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:04:22 AM
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Welcome to the SF

The guys here that know their firearms don't hate the 30-30s. Some folks just do not like leaver guns.

In the great ammo shortage of a few months back, 30-30 was stacked on the shelf next to the blank spaces for 308 and 223. 30-30 is available at the store in some of the small towns I've been in. If you want 30-30 in shipping container quantities then you will need to call up Federal, Remington, or Winchester.



This is a survival forum, so you must understand that there are some answers that you get that have been standard for decades because some famous survivalist wrote it down in a famous survivalist book.



You must have that following weapons to be a respectable survivalist:
1) An AR or AK for each member of the household capable of shooting (individuals over about 6 years of age). A 30-30 will not do.
2) A shotgun to go with each rifle in 1. It does not matter if you have no use for a shotgun.
3) A handgun to go with each rifle in 1
4) Ammo stocked for 1, 2 , and 3.
5) A long range rifle in 308This really needs to be a bolt gun if you intend to be a tier one survivalist. SR25 or SPR can't count. 30-06, 300mag, 338mag, 270, etc. just will not do, and it doesn't matter that the terrain will not allow a clear 250 yard shot.
6) SKS handout guns. Nope can't count a 30-30 here either. It doesn't matter if you have nobody that you would trust to hand out to.
7) Ammo stocked for 5 and 6.

So now that you know the rules, and your ammo stocks have been measured and found lacking.



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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:12:59 AM
Sure there is a place. Take a look at my Henry 22. No, it's not a powerhouse. i can shoot and carry a ton of cheap ammo. When needed, I can load silent CB/BBs. I expect there will be a lot more small game meals than game that needs a 30/30.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:46:09 AM
Buddy of mines wife has a Marlin in .357. She owns the first hundred yards with it. She shoots it often and well.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:57:44 AM
Originally Posted By darkpaladin1:
For your average guy who is looking at long term survival and isn't counting on extended mass combat with anyone, what is the viability of a good 30-30 leaver action such as the Marlin or Winchester variety as a primary survival rifle? (Of note, this is simply a question as food for thought. I already have my stockpile )


AFAIC there is nothing wrong with a lever action however there are so many better choices out there why would you want to go that route? Ammo prices will eat you alive, ammo availability isn't as good as some others, your long range capabilities are severely limited, the ballistics suck and you have a rifle that was built with the idea in mind that it probably won't be fired more than a dozen times a year therefore durability comes into question.

I love lever action rifles but the idea of making one my PRIMARY shtf rifle leaves me.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 10:01:41 AM
If you can shoot it well and keep it running no matter what, why not?

There is an awful lot to be said about being comfortable and proficient with your chosen weapon. If your lever action gives you those things, then you're good to go.

Lets face it, an Army Ranger or a Recon Marine armed with a single shot 22 is going to easily stomp my ass-even if I'm carrying a $3500 pimped out Colt. Training and mindset trumps gear-time and time again.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 10:02:17 AM
I've always had a long distance love affair with the 38 / 357 version, but can never find one.
Saw 30-30's for $15 a box, that's not bad. Depending on resources $ 6 rnds of 30 cal can be effective.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 10:26:31 AM

The guys here that know their firearms don't hate the 30-30s. Some folks just do not like leaver guns.

In the great ammo shortage of a few months back, 30-30 was stacked on the shelf next to the blank spaces for 308 and 223. 30-30 is available at the store in some of the small towns I've been in.



not in these parts. it was out of stock first and for far longer than .mil calibers.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 10:38:23 AM
Originally Posted By GrassHog:
not in these parts. it was out of stock first and for far longer than .mil calibers.

It's interesting to me how the ammo shortage manifested itself in different parts of the country. Around here 30-30 was available everywhere-but I don't own anything chambered in that caliber. Almost bought one, just because of ammo availability.

All the shortage did for me was reinforce my lack of confidence in counting on commercial resupply. Fortunately for me I've been a mag and ammo whore for over two decades.

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Posted: 1/31/2011 10:47:13 AM
I think a good lever should be in everyones safe. I have 2 Rossi's in .38/.357 to go along with the Smith 686 revolvers also in .357. I think for the majority of "SHTF" it will be much more prudent to be walking around with a leveraction than a tricked out AR/AK.

Don't get me wrong, you should still have the AR/AK in the safe just-in-case.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:26:44 AM
I'd prefer an AK over a lever action personally. Ammo for ak is about 1/2 the price of 30/30 around here. Also if you ever tried loading a lever 30/30, it isn't exactly quick. It is so easy to have loaded mags of AK ready and just pop one in vs. trying to load the 30/30 one at a time. Now having said that, I do think a nice light 44mag lever action would be cool for survival hunting/defense.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:46:24 AM


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Posted: 1/31/2011 11:55:19 AM
I have a .44 mag setup so the same ammunition works in both my .44 mag handguns as well as the rifle.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 12:28:49 PM
I have a marlin in 44mag and a .444. I beat down the .44mag for 12+ years and even after the part that retains the ammo in the tube broke I took 2 deer with it. Its never failed to go bang ever. The 444 was dead nuts on from the day I bought it and has never failed me.

My fiancee can shoot but isnt real gun savy. She is content with plinking once in a while and its almost always with a handgun. She was able to pick up the .444 , figure out how to load it , cycle the action and proceeded to hit a soda can about 100 yards away on the 1st shot , then back it up with a second shot when it landed again.

Id say the platform and most calibers have proven themselves over some. Oh and I bought my brother one in ,35rem when he was 18
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Posted: 1/31/2011 12:33:37 PM
Big con: The military dropped lever actions as soon as bolt actions became available.

Why? Bolts usually hold less, but are easier to reload and are more reliable.

How well would you shoot prone a lever action versus a bolt? I like lever actions and shoot them well, but in a survival scenario, I think a SKS is a better choice.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 12:35:19 PM
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Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
I have a .44 mag setup so the same ammunition works in both my .44 mag handguns as well as the rifle.

Mine is 45 Colt for the same reason. I also have enough lead, bullet molds, and both smokless and black powder to keep these going for a VERY long time even though odds are good I would never use up all my other options before needing to resort to using the lever action. Still, it makes a great deer rifle too and my 20-inch barrel has 10-rounds in the magazine so that is a good amount of firepower. Nothing wrong with having options and if I am going to reload for my revolvers, I figured I might as well have a rifle that can use that ammo supply too!
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Posted: 1/31/2011 12:36:07 PM
I have a Marlin 1895 in 45/70 Gov. If I was bugging out in Canada or Alaska... it would be my first choice just based on the fact that any game up there is BIG. 45/70 will blow straight through a both shoulders on a Grizzly or Brown bear with some of the hardcast bullets (Garrett cartridges).... and itll certainly drop a moose or a buffalo. Also.... I dont know about 30/30 so much.... but with 45/70 you can reload with blackpowder. Might be something to consider since blackpowder is something that you COULD make yourself if you know where to get the materials and how to do it.

Overall it'd be a great rifle for day to day carry in the more rural parts of the country.... saddle carry, fits in truck bench seats well.... but at the same token... if youre going with 30-30.... might as well just carry an AK. At the same ranges, a 7.62x39 could easily take down anything you hunt with a 30-30 (white tail, mule deer, hogs, feral pomeranians, horses, people, coyotes, black bear)
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Posted: 1/31/2011 12:37:15 PM
Depends on the survival situation I guess. Do you visualize your survival situation as shooting at hordes of zombies or invaders? A lever action is probably not going to cut it.

Lost in the wilderness? I'd take my .30-30 over my ARs.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 12:41:07 PM
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Have a small .44 mag carbine, one of those imported ones, but it's slow to load and for some reason the box of .44 Longs won't load in the tube.

I don't know why...

Very small and light, real handy to have around, and makes me feel better at night in the mtns. Need to have a light on it.

Oh, the safety in front of the hammer is hard to toggle, not sure my SO could do it in a pinch.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 12:44:16 PM
I don't have a .30-30, but I do have a Winchester 9422 that I'd have no problem relying on as a primary SHTF rifle. It's plenty accurate for what I'd need, and can handle .22 Shorts, Longs, and Long Rifles.

Here in PA, I'd bet more deer have been taken over the years with .30-30 lever guns than with any other type/caliber.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 12:46:20 PM


Put a hush kit on that, then I'll let you


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Posted: 1/31/2011 1:01:30 PM
Originally Posted By PA22-400:


Put a hush kit on that, then I'll let you




Dern you, PA...that's a great idea. Just one more reason to get a .308 can.

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