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Posted: 1/17/2011 6:44:11 PM
I rely heavily on my rescue inhalers due to a birth deformity and malformed lungs, bronchial tubes, and trachea.

If the balloon was to go up right now I'd be shit up a creek after my back up inhaler ran out. Is there any sort of homeopathic or other solution to replace or substitute for Albuterol?

Thanks in Advance.
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Tag for answers.

I stocked up on these, before they were outlawed. I probably have 4 full ones with a couple partials.
My condition is not nearly as bad as yours. I only use mine when the seasons change, or sometimes during the winter.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 6:53:49 PM
I tried to get my doc to have 4 filled at once, but apparently Walgreens is open 24/7 so there is no reason for me to need more than 1 at a time



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Posted: 1/17/2011 6:55:40 PM
Order a good quantity from overseas (online) and rotate the stock throughout the year.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 6:58:00 PM
Homeopathic remedy that I've heard helps is hot, caffeinnated (sp?) beverages. Something about the caffeine and hot liquid opening the airways.

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Posted: 1/17/2011 7:55:41 PM
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http://www.alldaychemist.com/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=37

Look into the dry powder inhaler, not avail in the US. Shelf life...
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Posted: 1/17/2011 8:06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By JSmith88:
I rely heavily on my rescue inhalers due to a birth deformity and malformed lungs, bronchial tubes, and trachea.

If the balloon was to go up right now I'd be shit up a creek after my back up inhaler ran out. Is there any sort of homeopathic or other solution to replace or substitute for Albuterol?

Thanks in Advance.
Sure - Primatene mist is a quick and dirty solution to your problem... it is available OTC. The active ingredient is racemic epinephrine so it will have a tendency to give you that "amped up" or "twitchy" kind of feeling especially if you use it in large dose. If you are a patient with heart or blood pressure diagnoses, consult with your personal physician... In a pinch it could save your bacon...


The Primatene folks also make Primatene tablets.


Originally Posted By Verde:
Homeopathic remedy that I've heard helps is hot, caffeinnated (sp?) beverages. Something about the caffeine and hot liquid opening the airways.
Caffeine is a methyl xanthene and as such has mild bronchodilator effects.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 8:11:14 PM
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http://www.alldaychemist.com/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=37

Look into the dry powder inhaler, not avail in the US. Shelf life...


You do realize that the company is based out of Panama City, Panama right? Most orders are shipped without script checks, but when your CC has a charge from Panama City, Panama, and ("if") when custom finds prescription meds...you could be in some deep shit with the DEA. Plus Panama has this nasty reputation for CC theft.

YMMV
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Posted: 1/17/2011 8:19:36 PM
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
http://www.alldaychemist.com/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=37

Look into the dry powder inhaler, not avail in the US. Shelf life...


You do realize that the company is based out of Panama City, Panama right? Most orders are shipped without script checks, but when your CC has a charge from Panama City, Panama, and ("if") when custom finds prescription meds...you could be in some deep shit with the DEA. Plus Panama has this nasty reputation for CC theft.

YMMV


IIRC, it's India...
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I thought Panama City was in the Florida panhandle... Just a few miles NE of Tyndall AFB...
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By Blackoperations:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
http://www.alldaychemist.com/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=37

Look into the dry powder inhaler, not avail in the US. Shelf life...


You do realize that the company is based out of Panama City, Panama right? Most orders are shipped without script checks, but when your CC has a charge from Panama City, Panama, and ("if") when custom finds prescription meds...you could be in some deep shit with the DEA. Plus Panama has this nasty reputation for CC theft.

YMMV


IIRC, it's India...



There servers are based in India, with a registered address in Cyprus (you know, that little island right next to our best friends Syria) and operations out of Panama City, Panama. Does this not seem a bit odd to you?

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Posted: 1/17/2011 8:31:35 PM
I read some where that you can take 5 or 6 drops of Tabasco in about half a cup of water. Drink it like a shot. I tried it one time. May not be the best for everyone - but it really cleared things up for me that time.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 8:32:30 PM
Originally Posted By Reorx:
Originally Posted By JSmith88:
I rely heavily on my rescue inhalers due to a birth deformity and malformed lungs, bronchial tubes, and trachea.

If the balloon was to go up right now I'd be shit up a creek after my back up inhaler ran out. Is there any sort of homeopathic or other solution to replace or substitute for Albuterol?

Thanks in Advance.
Sure - Primatene mist is a quick and dirty solution to your problem... it is available OTC. The active ingredient is racemic epinephrine so it will have a tendency to give you that "amped up" or "twitchy" kind of feeling especially if you use it in large dose. If you are a patient with heart or blood pressure diagnoses, consult you personal physician... In a pinch it could save your bacon...
http://www.primatene.com/products/images/primateneinhaler.jpg

The Primatene folks also make Primatene tablets.
http://www.primatenetablets.com/products/images/pro_primatene.gif

Originally Posted By Verde:
Homeopathic remedy that I've heard helps is hot, caffeinnated (sp?) beverages. Something about the caffeine and hot liquid opening the airways.
Caffeine is a methyl xanthene and as such has mild bronchodilator effects.


This product ramps your heart rate much more than a regular rescue inhaler will. It is one of many products that the FDA most likely wouldn't approve today because of its profile.

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Posted: 1/17/2011 9:12:27 PM
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epsom salts.

solution of water and epsom salt and you boil it and breathe the vapors.
let me see if i can find the link

linky

here is the link to the wikipedia or epsom salt. there are a bunch of medical uses for it, including as a bronchodialator for asthma

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Posted: 1/17/2011 9:35:53 PM
What are the exact symptoms of your condition? Is it asthma? I know there is a form of inhaler out there that is nebulized. Do you ever use a nebulizer? I am a P1 Pharmacy student in my second semester. If I knew a little more, I might be able to come up with something OTC, but I would have to do some research.

Disclaimer: Of course, this is simply for discussion purposes only and any information containted in this thread is not intended to treat, diagnose, or render medical advice in place of your primary care provider. Please check with your Doctor before following any advice in this thread. Void where prohibited. YMMV
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Posted: 1/17/2011 10:18:48 PM
Originally Posted By digitalebola:
I read some where that you can take 5 or 6 drops of Tabasco in about half a cup of water. Drink it like a shot. I tried it one time. May not be the best for everyone - but it really cleared things up for me that time.


I don't think I would even notice 5 or 6 drops in a glass of water. I would have to take an actual shot glass full of Tabasco to have it work for me.

And to the OP, I use the Primatene stuff like described above. It is OTC and you might want to give it a try just to see if it could be used just in case.
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Posted: 1/18/2011 9:33:56 AM
Originally Posted By JSmith88:
I tried to get my doc to have 4 filled at once, but apparently Walgreens is open 24/7 so there is no reason for me to need more than 1 at a time
How many you can get at one time is frequently determined by your insurance company assuming you have an insurance paying (at least partially) for your medications. Typically, they will only pay for 1 months worth of medication at a time... There are usually 200 "puffs" in an albuterol MDI (metered dose inhaler)... if the directions say "2 puffs every 6 hours" that would be a maximum of 8 puffs per day and 240 puffs per month. You should be able to get your insurance company to pay for 2 MDI per month (probably). If your prescription has refills on it, you can get refills even if you don't "need" them so that you should be able to build up a "stash". In addition, you can get any refills that are left on your prescription up to 1 year from the date the prescription was written. If you have any refills left at that point, I would suggest getting one (or 2) because they should have later expiration dates (compared to MDIs purchased a year earlier).

If your doc writes your albuterol prescriptions for 1 MDI and no refills - he's nuts! Find a new doc... Most docs I know will write albuterol prescriptions with "as needed" refills (as many refills as you want for up to 1 year) because albuterol isn't really abusable and there isn't much of a black market for it...

OBTW - someone mentioned that Primatene might jack your heart rate. That is true - that's the dirty part of "quick and dirty". Although, all things considered, I don't think it will increase your heart rate nearly as much as not breathing... In addition, the increased heart rate, jittery feeling, etc. is a dose dependent phenomenon - the larger the dose (puffs per time) the greater the tendency for side effects... but make no mistake, if you have albuterol - use it instead of Primatene... I think of Primatene as a last resort, i.e. better than nothing (and also better than anything other than prescription meds)...

Just out of curiosity, how often to you use your albuterol MDI per day or per week?

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Posted: 1/18/2011 10:33:39 AM
I suffer from mild asthma myself. I have some inhalers stocked up, and rotate them as I get new ones. A single inhaler generally lasts me 6 months or more, and they are 30 day supplies..so when my doctor prescribes 5 or 6 a year, I buy them as if I were using them, and keep the extras.

But there are homeopathic remedies that i've found that help. Apple Cider Vinegar tastes horrible..but about a tablespoon a day of it mixed into something you're drinking can help. Fish oil helps, as well as a few vitamins (i'll have to check which.)
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Posted: 1/18/2011 10:37:01 AM

Originally Posted By NickOfTime:
What are the exact symptoms of your condition? Is it asthma? I know there is a form of inhaler out there that is nebulized. Do you ever use a nebulizer? I am a P1 Pharmacy student in my second semester. If I knew a little more, I might be able to come up with something OTC, but I would have to do some research.

Disclaimer: Of course, this is simply for discussion purposes only and any information containted in this thread is not intended to treat, diagnose, or render medical advice in place of your primary care provider. Please check with your Doctor before following any advice in this thread. Void where prohibited. YMMV

The product to use in a nebulizer is called albuterol sulfate.
You can get it prepackaged in packaging like this:


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Isn't that the stuff that ruined everyone's teeth when they (oraly) took it in the '70s?

I used to take Tedral years ago. Used to get it for $2.50/100 tablets. It worked great for me. They stopped perscribing it.

I have used this technique in an emergency, It seemed to work. Place an icy cold wet towel on your bare chest. Your body will produce some adrenaline from the shock, which will help out with the asthma.
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Posted: 1/18/2011 11:12:40 AM
Originally Posted By Verde:
Homeopathic remedy that I've heard helps is hot, caffeinated (sp?) beverages. Something about the caffeine and hot liquid opening the airways.

Also tagging for more info.


This. caffeinated and hot beverages will help your airways. I have been in a bind before with not having any albutarol (sp?) and this has helped greatly. It is very slow acting and must be used the second the breathing becomes restricted.
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Talk to your Doc - there are a lot of other choices out there (RX only) that would probably be an even better substitute. If your FP isn't up to speed, see a pulmonary specialist.. There's a good chance he'll even have samples on hand so you can try out its effectiveness before you start paying out of pocket for your new RX.
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I am long term severe asthmatic. Diagnosed about 2 and currently 32 years old.

I get 3 months at a time through the mail. They will let you reorder a few days before you run out. Over time you'll build up a surplus. I am currently up to 7 months supply for all my medications.
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Originally Posted By Blackoperations:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By Blackoperations:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
http://www.alldaychemist.com/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=37

Look into the dry powder inhaler, not avail in the US. Shelf life...


You do realize that the company is based out of Panama City, Panama right? Most orders are shipped without script checks, but when your CC has a charge from Panama City, Panama, and ("if") when custom finds prescription meds...you could be in some deep shit with the DEA. Plus Panama has this nasty reputation for CC theft.

YMMV


IIRC, it's India...



There servers are based in India, with a registered address in Cyprus (you know, that little island right next to our best friends Syria) and operations out of Panama City, Panama. Does this not seem a bit odd to you?

I'm not trying to start shit, just be careful...you are risking it all for nothing.


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Their shipments come from India.

All the whois information I can find is out of India. Where are you getting this?
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Talk to your Doc - there are a lot of other choices out there (RX only) that would probably be an even better substitute. If your FP isn't up to speed, see a pulmonary specialist.. There's a good chance he'll even have samples on hand so you can try out its effectiveness before you start paying out of pocket for your new RX.


or she'll . My pumonologist is a very bright she.
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Posted: 1/18/2011 3:58:24 PM
I'll try to answer all the questions...

Birth Defects: Only 2 of my 5 lobes in my lungs function. The other 3 are for all intensive purposes either missing or collapsed. Bronchial stenosis (narrowing and collapse of the bronchial tubes) Trachea stenosis ( trachea is the size of a small child's)

Due to that problem when fluid or mucus begins to build up, my blood ox sat rate drops like a russian jet at an air show. Any type of environmental stimulus can set it off, smoke, pollen, stress....


As far as Pulmonary specialists go, I have one who won't see me anymore because I refuse to go on the transplant list.

My FP is a raging bitch with a medical degree. I need a new FP, but I hate going to the doctor.
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