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Prepper or survivalist?


Over the last 5 years there has been this influx of people that are becoming more prepared. They come from all walks of life, ages,gender and locations.Each one different in its own way, but still the same. There has in my view been a rift though. With this new surge of people that are becoming prepared is a cross section that wished to not be labeled what they are, A survivalist. Thus, a few years later we have the "prepper". If you ask someone what one is you may get a few different twist on what a prepper is. In general they prepare. But the thing that separates them for a survivalist, at least in their eyes is that the prepper is a "normal" person. This "normal" person stocks food,medical supplies, weapons,ammo, and other gear and supplies needed to "survive" any event that happens. To them these stockpiles ,along with their mindset, will be used to survive bad weather, job loss, work injury,economic hard times and if it ever goes down a real "shtf" event. Of course since they are "normal" everyday types, they of course do not dwell on world ending events, and doom and gloom end all fantasy's that would rival mad max's world. According to the "prepper" that part of preparedness is left to the "survivalist".Most preppers view, the "survivalist" as some crazy person waiting,wishing,hoping the world will come crashing to an apocalyptic end. Now, some "prepper" somewhere is getting a little annoyed by what i wrote so far. Good.

If you ask a "survivalist" what he or she is you may get the same answer. That they are everyday people preparing for what ever may happen and making key lifestyle changes to help be prepared better. Odd is it not? That two different groups say the same stuff except for one key thing? This
is why i never fully understood the reasoning behind why the "prepper" movement started. At the same time I can see what has driven it. From the mid 1980's and on, the media has done all it could to vilify the term "survivalist". Those that remember the 1990's , it seems that every time
something bad happened the bad guy was a " skin head,druggie,survivalist with kiddie porn". For a few years nothing happened,until 9/11. Then a surge of folks who, by fear started to prep. This was short lived though. With in that to the first year after 9/11 those that "prep'd" sold their supplies or went back to "normal" life, when a second attack did not happen.Some stayed the course and reaped the benefits of it ( I scored 14 NBC filters and 3 NIW m40 mask(s,m,L, perfect family kit), with spare lenses,second skins,decon kits and bags for 100$ )from someone who panic buyed.Fast forward to Katrina, and then the past election. These last two events are the ones that were the "gas" to the prepper fire in my opinion.

So why the split. Well these new comers to "survival" feel , at least from i can tell from personal face to face talks and news articles, that a new term was needed. They felt that they are "not" what the media has labeled a "survivalist". I can clearly say that now, after meeting so many the last 2 years. That they are ,in fact NOT what the survivalist of old was nor what the media has labeled it. In fact they are doing the medias dirty work for them by continuing to spread the negative stigmatism surrounding the word "survivalist". They are the high tide right now, and riding the wave. In 2-5 years like 9/11, Y2K etc many will go back to "normal" life. This will be easy for them from what i have seen. Of course like those events in the past , many will continue to prepare . That is what separates a "survivalist" from a "prepper" in my opinion. Why would it be easy for them to go back to what they deem "normal". Many i have seen refuse to invest much time or effort in to long term supplies or lifestyle changes . They cling to how life is now. That means more means of electronics, gen sets, and can goods. Many do not have more than , nor wish to prepare past the " 2 week" mark. They claim though that "mindset" not lifestyle change will help them pull through an event. Maybe, a short term event. What if it is a long
term event? Say an economic collapse that last 3-5 years? What will that "2 weeks" worth do? With such a drive to not be that "survivalist" they are short selling themselves because they feel that such events "cant" happen and thus do not prepare for it. Lifestyle change is a long term prep. Many
do not want to make that EFFORT. It is much easier to buy,list and talk about it. The influx of liberals into preparedness since the last election i think spurrs that mindset right along. That "everything" will be alright in 1 week to 2 months and someone will be along shortly to save us. Along with this is the idea to be something different. So many have this view that they can sit around the water cooler at work, or in line at starbucks sucking down a faggotchino, and strike up a conversation...

" So,,Klye, how are those freeze dried veal cutlets you order last week taste? try any yet"
"Well Bob, they arent like the ones over at Sabino's off 5th and taylor, but Alice thinks they are pretty good.."
up walks Tom
" Hey Bob,kyle, i over heard you, freeze dried veal? Why would you have that...your not one of those tea party survivalist types are you??."

and suddenly Kyle and Bob can explain that they are "preppers" and not to worry,becuase those are Kyles "hurricane preps" hence the term prepper and can show Tom, Bobs fancy solar back pack that charges his I-phone while he is walking his retriever in the AM and now Tom is all about being
prepared.But not after 10 minutes of complaining how they wasted their vote on obama.
Happens every day at your work place right? No? why not, it seems to be the main reason for the term "prepper" , you know be more "user" friendly and all. I guess if you kick someone in the nuts at half speed it makes it better than a lets put the boys through the uprights from the 45 yard line
kick! If your dumb enough to tell tom

" oh yeah that is part of my survival stash...yeah i am one..so what, screw you Tom....you sheep.. dont come to my place asking for a hand out....Ive

got guns and ammo to outfit a small African army and know how to use them you poser....."

Then you my friend have some serious issues you need work on!

So how many of you "preppers" are reeling in your chair right now. Yelling yet? Saying to your self that i am wrong?Prove me wrong, tell me what is the difference between a survivalist and a prepper then?
I will explain what i see as the main differences. So get ready to get even more upset.

There are many similarities between the two, and maybe like a butterfly they are the same, but in different stages of evolution..are preppers the missing link maybe? That would be the nice way of saying it, but then typing all of this wouldn't be that fun!
I think that the similarities stop at lifestyle and long term planning. Many "preppers" that i have met refuse to think past 2 months. That's fine. They are way ahead of the curve if an event happens. But like the show the colony,it seems effort is wasted more of projects to maintain their "old" life
verse the life they would have during an event. For example. Why, backpack for 3 days to test your kit when you know your truck is still going to work. Anyone miss that point? Why try, you have the pack,what some list off the web said to have, it is a good pack(least you think) and short of
emp your truck is a 2010 model , it will go for a few years as long as you have gas right? Oh you wont bug out. Why? I bet a tornado heading straight for you house will make your bug out,or a fire at 3am! Why get in shape, you have truck after all, why go off grid with solar or a grid tie . You cant have your 50 inch lcd TV on for 4 hours watching dual survival reruns. Why hunt, or harvest your own animals, and veggies, after all you can just buy freeze dried or keep it in your deep freezer ,you do have a genset after all and gas..but for how long.....

Preppers seem to over look those small details. They get so focused on the "small" picture of things vs the big picture. So how many of you are screaming " well i dont do that.." . Good. You may one day come out of your cocoon and be a butterfly and 5-10 years from now be typing like i am ,complaining how "PMI's"( preparedness minded individuals) are tearing apart the prepper movement all becuase after the 2012 election they got a bad name when a group of preppers got raided by the homeland secuirty forces. Mean while those dirty survivalist are still blogging about their solar systems and gardens over at PMIluvshtf.com or such...
prep,learn and grow. Dont let a title decide how or what you will prepare for, and dont let it ruin your outlook of others that are already "out of their cocoon" ;p

While this is a semi rant about some points that annoy me and not a comparison . for debate reasons tell me, tell us all,what separates the two? Are they 2 different things, or one in the same, is it like old and young....tad pole and frog...butterfly and cocoon..

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Posted: 8/21/2010 10:55:44 AM
I don't know if this is an answer to the question, but this is my personal observation and oppinion therfore not worth much.

People who call themselves preppers are more white collar/middle class types who don't feel comfortable with the survivalist title and the negative connotations that come with it created by the media and HollyWierd, but at the same time understand the need to be one.
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Posted: 8/21/2010 11:08:53 AM
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I am prepping to be a survivalist! Just never can have enough of anything!! I want to be able to feed and arm my children's children!!! LOL

OP- I really liked your post and would agree with it. I really agree with the highlighted part.

prep,learn and grow. Dont let a title decide how or what you will prepare for, and dont let it ruin your outlook of others that are already "out of their cocoon"

protus- You did good in stating it the way you have!!!

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Posted: 8/21/2010 11:22:12 AM

Originally Posted By Fra_Tra:
I don't know if this is an answer to the question, but this is my personal observation and oppinion therfore not worth much.

People who call themselves preppers are more white collar/middle class types who don't feel comfortable with the survivalist title and the negative connotations that come with it created by the media and HollyWierd, but at the same time understand the need to be one.


no , that is the type of reply i was looking for.
That and ones like skunks over in FerFals poor is poor is dirt poor thread
hopefully he will post it here.

I honestly want those who call themselves a "P" to explain why they chose to be called that vs a survivalist. I find just the media reason a poor example sometimes. We havent renamed AK's and AR's yet have we or did i miss the memo LOL

Fra/Tra your example is one i have seen as well, glad you pointed it out.
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Posted: 8/21/2010 11:35:35 AM
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Interesting read.

From my point of view. I could give a shit less what someone "labels" me. I fit in my normal society activities. Now, throw me in the woods and I can find my way out. Do I have all the knowledge to build my own colony and survive without tools? NO. However, I am learning and reading and trying things everyday.

I would say the difference between a prepper and a survivalist is:

The prepper buys canned goods. The survivalist does as well, but knows how to hunt, clean, and prepare game.

The prepper talks about how he watches the "Colony" and "Dual Survival". The survivalist goes out and tries these things over the weekend. (Applying knowledge.) I look at a prepper like the gatherer and village cook. The survivalist is the one hunting, fighting, killing, building, sustaining. Men vs. Woman of colonial times.

I am not a full fledged survivalist, but I am working my way towards. To me, there is no point in just stocking resources unless you know how to find or create new resources.

Remember, this is my point of view and I still have to wear a suit to work everyday. While expanding my knowledge and physically training my body I have not lost touch with the possibility that "something" may never happen. So, I may not train and apply techniques for weeks on end because it is just not practical while remaining a functioning member in society.

ETA: a few more points.

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I’ve known “survivalists” (including survival experts) that don’t have even the slightest beginning of the concept of a clue of what true survival and success in life involves, some “Preppers” that are pretty well squared out some that are simply gear fags , and most of all, I’ve known people that don’t know what either one is but would not only survive, but actually strive in a world were both “survivalists” and “preppers” would piss their pants if they had to spend one night in such a place. No joking, no exaggeration, that’s my experience.
Survivalist and preppers are just words man. I often use then together, pick the one you feel fits you better.
As for doom and gloom and Mad Max delusions, even people that say “I can’t wait for TEOTWAWKI!” they still haven’t figured out how to make it during the good old times, they have not a snowball’s chance in hell when shit really hits the fan. Doom and gloom? No my friend, you have to be a peppy happy son of a bitch if you want to make it. Wrong mindset kills more people during tough times than bullets or hunger.

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Posted: 8/21/2010 11:46:14 AM
To those who say I'm a survivalist....ok....to those who say I'm a prepper.....ok....

I am preparing to survive.....well....if possible.

My question is.....what are you going to do when your daughter, son, wife, husband, etc.....looks to you for help.....and says "I'm hungry".

Are you the one that is going to show up at my door asking for a hand out?...or the one sneaking around my place at night looking to take what you need?

If you are...you need to realize that not only did I think ahead to set back food and supplies to see me through bad times.....but I also happen to set back the items I need to protect it.....and along with a few of my friends who thought to do the same....I wish you luck in finding a softer target.

I could personally care less what catagory "they" put me in.....I do this for me and my family.....not theres.

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I'm gonna get in on one here, but I'll have to return and read the thread.


ETA what I finally got to add on page 3

Originally Posted By PA22-400:
At least I got in on one but had to take care of other things.

IMHO
Prepper = guns are icky
Survivalist = I got into prepping to support my gun addiction.

Prepper = no Red Dawn in video collection
Survivalist = has Red Dawn on bluray, dvd, vhs, beta, the book, book on cd, book on cassette, and book on 8 track.

Prepper = has whatever gun they want
Survivalist = must have AR, AK, SKS, 308 bolt gun for those long shots, 9mm, 45, and 12ga pump; so they can use whatever ammo is available.

Prepper upsets Protus
Survivalist makes Protus feel good

I call myself a survivalist, but I don't really like Red Dawn or bolt guns, so I do not own them. Now Protus may be upset––'cause I don't have the required stuff to be a survivalist. Guess I'll have to be a prepper––oh wait Protus is now more upset––'cause I'm a prepper.








Ya'll let me know how this turns out.




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I agree with the prepper as one who stocks supplies vs a survivalist who actively engages. I think that the survivalist moniker has a negative connotation that has stuck with it since the 70's and 80's where people picture a survivalist as some Una-bomber type in a cabin in Montana. I think the term prepper takes that edge off and makes a serious conversation about preparedness issues approachable to most people.
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I would call my self both! I prep for hard times and try to learn to survive the really hard times. I know that I am much more of a survivalist than prepper. I did fight cancer from the ages of 15-33, so I believe that a lot of my preparing for the worse comes from never knowing where the cancer would spread next! I do feel that this mind-set is what separates a prepper from a survivalist.

Prepper mind-set––- I will set aside a few things and hope nothing happens! If we have a Major (minor in a Survivalist mind set) problem, I can handle it...

Survivalist mind-set–self-sufficient––– I know something really bad is going to happen and I am willing to do anything to survive it! I will go camping, learn to track, shoot a lot and get as many guns and much ammo as possible! Wanting to survive in the future is a huge part of a survivalist life survivalist thinks, I will prepare as best I can for the worse and hope and pray that it is not that bad!! I will have a mind set of the worse EOTHAWKI situation. If it is not as bad as I thought it would be, then it will be easier than I thought to survive it!!!



When I had cancer, I would convince myself that the cancer had spread to many different organs and that if it had, I would still win the fight against the disease.. When the Doctor would inform me that it had only spread to 1 organ, it is weird to say, I was prepared for it and not knocked down by the news. You can even say that I was encouraged that it was not as bad as I had thought!!!

I will add more when I get more time!!

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My thoughts:

PREPPER
A prepper is a survivor in the short term. They planned only for a single event, hurricane, earthquake, probably bought the ARK II kit or something like it. Maybe they have some extra food and batteries, but nothing really thought provoking. They think on only one level. They don't think ahead or plan for the worst case scenario. The last thing they want is their friends to think they are nuts, ie gun nut, survivalist nut etc. They may or may not have guns and ammo.

SURVIVALIST
By contrast to the prepper, lives the life. Prepares for everything, every eventuality. Nothing left to chance. Not a 3 day supply or a 2 week supply, but much much longer suuplies. Realizes the goverment can't really protect them, and does not want them to anyway. It is just not about hurricanes or earthquakes. It's about Food, water, gear, alternative power, guns, ammo, spare parts, tools and how to use them, and what's left after a system collapse. Its about skills, education, diversity. Lots of guns, lots of ammo, spare parts, accessories, night vision, uber-tacticool flashlights etc etc. It's about getting back to basics. If nothing happens, nothing is lost. Call it a mind set, The Grey tribe, Sheepdogs, whatever.

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Originally Posted By Taft:
My thoughts:

PREPPER
A prepper is a survivor in the short term. They planned only for a single event, hurricane, earthquake, probably bought the ARK II kit or something like it. Maybe they have some extra food and batteries, but nothing really thought provoking. They think on only one level. They don't think ahead or plan for the worst case scenario. The last thing they want is their friends to think they are nuts, ie gun nut, survivalist nut etc. They may or may not have guns and ammo.

SURVIVALIST
By contrast to the prepper, lives the life. Prepares for everything, every eventuality. Nothing left to chance. Not a 3 day supply or a 2 week supply, but much much longer suuplies. Realizes the goverment can't really protect them, and does not want them to anyway. It is just not about hurricanes or earthquakes. It's about Food, water, gear, alternative power, guns, ammo, spare parts, tools and how to use them, and what's left after a system collapse. Its about skills, education, diversity. Lots of guns, lots of ammo, spare parts, accessories, night vision, uber-tacticool flashlights etc etc. It's about getting back to basics. If nothing happens, nothing is lost. Call it a mind set, The Grey tribe, Sheepdogs, whatever.




By this definition....I suppose I'm the latter....
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I have been at this survivalism thing for about 30 years now. It started when I read The Stand, and saw my first issue of Mother Earth News, followed by my first issue of Amercian Survival Guide. It was an interest I kept at bay, and only casually spoke about it with others. Since I was active duty military, and a career man to boot, I kept it in the closet. I kept my interests hidden, but read everything I could on terrorism, anarchism, nuclear warfare, and world politics. I did not fancy myself as a radical, or an extremist... heck, I was a GI ferchrissakes, and by the mid-80's I had a family. After I retired, and settled down, did I get a little more proactive with the whole survivalism thing, because soon enough, the word about the plausible dangers of Y2K were becoming real.

Protus, I have been here in SF over a year, and just recently become a team member because of your posts and other members like you. Great work! Your posts are lucid and entertaining. Much food for thought, this one especially.

So to compare and contrast your post here, let me tell you this. I am member at another survival forum, which began before Y2K. Back then, it was a mixture of folks who thought invasion on our soil would be a real threat, some still thought nuclear war would destroy us, and others began prepping because there was no certainty what life would be like post-Y2K. Today, that same forum harbours some of us who "got that old-time survival religion," and some who are liberal namby-pamby fucktards who are confident that they can fill their homes to the brim with rice and beans, and defend it with a Louisville Slugger. They 'dis those of us in the firearms section, for being too extreme, when most of us are only interested in matters of HD. So I guess there are two types of "our" people like you say, one side thinks they can be the Ant, and the other side thinks they can be the Sheepdog. I certainly prep like I am the industrious Ant, but I'd not hesitate to guard my flock with everything I got in me.
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Originally Posted By Taft:
My thoughts:

PREPPER
A prepper is a survivor in the short term. They planned only for a single event, hurricane, earthquake, probably bought the ARK II kit or something like it. Maybe they have some extra food and batteries, but nothing really thought provoking. They think on only one level. They don't think ahead or plan for the worst case scenario. The last thing they want is their friends to think they are nuts, ie gun nut, survivalist nut etc. They may or may not have guns and ammo.

SURVIVALIST
By contrast to the prepper, lives the life. Prepares for everything, every eventuality. Nothing left to chance. Not a 3 day supply or a 2 week supply, but much much longer suuplies. Realizes the goverment can't really protect them, and does not want them to anyway. It is just not about hurricanes or earthquakes. It's about Food, water, gear, alternative power, guns, ammo, spare parts, tools and how to use them, and what's left after a system collapse. Its about skills, education, diversity. Lots of guns, lots of ammo, spare parts, accessories, night vision, uber-tacticool flashlights etc etc. It's about getting back to basics. If nothing happens, nothing is lost. Call it a mind set, The Grey tribe, Sheepdogs, whatever.



Very well spoken and obviously well thought out. I would have to agree to his definition.

I feel i am the survivalist, even though my family (excluding my 14-year old mini-me) thinks i am a bit extreme. They are the reason I prepare for everything from planning to execution. Store as much as I have room for, and can afford, and can use to get better. The gaps have to be filled with skills that have been practiced. My wife and older son feel prepping for a single event should just about cover it. I think it only begins to start the process. Whatever they call me doesn't change my focus or intent. I love them, and i would walk through fire for them. Anyone that gets between me and my family has " a lot of 'splaining to do".

Protus, very good topic and good hard question to ponder. It's good to make people stop and take stock of their situation and purpose.

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I call myself a "prepper" because I can't claim the title of "survivalist". I am not going to SERE school and I will not go out into the woods and see who can hack down the biggest trees with their uber tactical ninja knife. Many of the folks on this board seem to think you are not a real survivalist if you don't build an improvised shelter out of native materials every time you camp.

I prep so I can use my gear effectively, so I can survive using as few calories as possible. I know how to build a shelter, but its not plan A, but plan Z.


As for maintaining your former life, I am going to retain a substantial amount of it, because I have the ability and technology to do so. I can't say that I will spend huge amounts of time figuring how to watch TV, but I will be spending substantial time rigging up ways to run the farm and my machine tools.

As I wrote in my recent thread, there will be a huge adjustment to living in a world that more resembles 1910 instead of 2010. Learning to be happy when living in real poverty is the adjustment. I will still have many conveniences, but a fast majority of the things I enjoy now will be dead weight.
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To most people, outside of this forum, a prepper and a survivalist are synonymous.

Prepper is just a politically correct term. Like most things these days if a subject has a negative connotation
to it, you just change the term to something that has no negativity to it and you are golden. PC bullshit.

In 10 years, prepper will be what survivalist is now, and self-sufficient individual will be the new term replacing prepper.

Or maybe in 10 years there will be a bunch of dead non preppers, I mean life deprived dependents. See even I can do it.

I prepare for no other reason than my family is never ending up at the SuperDome (or equivalent) and you can call that whatever you want.







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Originally Posted By Taft:
My thoughts:

PREPPER
A prepper is a survivor in the short term. They planned only for a single event, hurricane, earthquake, probably bought the ARK II kit or something like it. Maybe they have some extra food and batteries, but nothing really thought provoking. They think on only one level. They don't think ahead or plan for the worst case scenario. The last thing they want is their friends to think they are nuts, ie gun nut, survivalist nut etc. They may or may not have guns and ammo.

SURVIVALIST
By contrast to the prepper, lives the life. Prepares for everything, every eventuality. Nothing left to chance. Not a 3 day supply or a 2 week supply, but much much longer suuplies. Realizes the goverment can't really protect them, and does not want them to anyway. It is just not about hurricanes or earthquakes. It's about Food, water, gear, alternative power, guns, ammo, spare parts, tools and how to use them, and what's left after a system collapse. Its about skills, education, diversity. Lots of guns, lots of ammo, spare parts, accessories, night vision, uber-tacticool flashlights etc etc. It's about getting back to basics. If nothing happens, nothing is lost. Call it a mind set, The Grey tribe, Sheepdogs, whatever.


taft you and a few others are inline with my general idea of the major differences between the two.

For me, like posted above, call me what ya want. I know what i am.

Bat- i agree knowing how to do it doesnt mean it takes top spot just becuase you can.
But not knowing how to and only having "book "smarts on it is no excuse either. It goes both ways, and like the others i feel that is what may be one of the major definers in this debate.


Kibby- the issue you have is the same i have on smaller forums if i dont go under the handle "protus" but by my youtube handle.
The liberal types go batshit when you start mentioning that you may actually have to use your weapons to protect your family! LOL.


good replies so far guys, im kinda shocked it has stayed this calm LOL
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I would classify a prepper as a "normal" person who realizes there is risk, evaluates the risk (fire, economy, crime, tornatdo, etc), and prepares accordingly (within their means). This may be a branching out from/or into other hobbies such as shooting, gardening, etc. The prepper is community minded and self-reliant at the same time.

In contrast, the survivalist is fixated on the least likely events (nuclear war, invasion, etc.). They don't live a normal life, because every decision is based around survival. They strive to be self-sufficient without ever realizing it is not humanly possible (that is why we have communities to begin with). I would venture to say these are more likely to buy stuff they never use and may never even learn how to use.
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I don't care about labels, I'm just a paranoid dude with a shotgun, a rifle and a four wheel drive to go along with my collection of beans, bullets, bandaids, and body-armor.

Different strokes yada yada.
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Originally Posted By Calhoun123:

In contrast, the survivalist is fixated on the least likely events (nuclear war, invasion, etc.). They don't live a normal life, because every decision is based around survival. They strive to be self-sufficient without ever realizing it is not humanly possible (that is why we have communities to begin with). I would venture to say these are more likely to buy stuff they never use and may never even learn how to use.


I agree with you that theres people like that out there, and that they consider themselves survivalists. But are they really? Sorry folks, we are creatures that live in society, if you can't live as part of some sort of community, may ir be small town or big citiy but society and interaction with others none the less, then in my book you lack the most basic skill and you have far worse problems than honoring the title of survivalist or not.

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Do you prepare just for the "probable" or for the "possible?"
I am definitely on the "probable" side of the spectrum. I'm more the guy with the 3-day pack than the lifetime supply of everything. For me, financial and localized disaster preparations are far more likely to be tested than EOTWAWKI style preparations. I would like to move to "major regional disaster" preps, but it is not my top priority.
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Originally Posted By Calhoun123:
I would classify a prepper as a "normal" person who realizes there is risk, evaluates the risk (fire, economy, crime, tornatdo, etc), and prepares accordingly (within their means). This may be a branching out from/or into other hobbies such as shooting, gardening, etc. The prepper is community minded and self-reliant at the same time.

In contrast, the survivalist is fixated on the least likely events (nuclear war, invasion, etc.). They don't live a normal life, because every decision is based around survival. They strive to be self-sufficient without ever realizing it is not humanly possible (that is why we have communities to begin with). I would venture to say these are more likely to buy stuff they never use and may never even learn how to use.

and this is the PERFECT response as to why i posted what i did!

I am a survivalist.
I live a normal life. I work a normal job, i have a family. I prepare for a whole lot more than just NBC, or NWO troops storming down my city street. I also prep with in my means (single income family here) and have more than enough for us WAY past the "short term" mark. I know how to use every peice of kit i own,from using it. Not becuase i read it was good kit! On my way to being debt free and have a goal to one day have a semi self reliant retreat somewhere.....so i am not normal by your terms...

Im lost on the community minded,part unless you mean im supposed to share my food with my lib tard neighbors 5 doors down, who spent their money on that new Nissian Armada instead of food for their kids.......??? Do "preppers" really prepare to do that ,to feed,protect and provide for their neighbors who failed to do so.............?
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Originally Posted By ferfal308:
Originally Posted By Calhoun123:

In contrast, the survivalist is fixated on the least likely events (nuclear war, invasion, etc.). They don't live a normal life, because every decision is based around survival. They strive to be self-sufficient without ever realizing it is not humanly possible (that is why we have communities to begin with). I would venture to say these are more likely to buy stuff they never use and may never even learn how to use.


I agree with you that theres people like that out there, and that they consider themselves survivalists. But are they really? Sorry folks, we are creatures that live in society, if you can't live as part of some sort of community, may ir be small town or big citiy but society and interaction with others none the less, then in my book you lack the most basic skill and you have far worse problems than honoring the title of survivalist or not.

FerFAL


FF i agree with most of what you said but
I dont think that the majority of people fall into the loner type. At least the ones i have met face to face or online . Most are family orientated and live normal lives( 9-5 job etc)
I think the loner crazy label is one that seems to clumped onto the "survival nut" label as well.
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I consider myself a noob survivalist. How many preppers can make a fire using deadwood and yucca hand-made cordage? How many preppers can identify 20 edible wild plants in their A.O.? Or how to build an ojibway bird trap from a sapling and handmade cordage? Or a figure 4 deadfall trap? Or make a fishnet from 550 paracord or fishtrap from sticks stick in the mud.

I consider a survivalist to be much more mentally prepared than a prepper. I am somewhere in between.

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Protus, good post.

I am neither a survivalist or prepper, I am just an average person who is looking out for my family's well being and safety. The fact that I hunt and clean game, grow a garden, can preserve the food, catch fish and have the military background that would make me a formidable enemy, if I could hear.., but again all these things don't make me a survivalist or prepper they are merely things learned while growing up in the country with hard working family.
Like Hank Williams says "A country boy can survive"

But to answer your question, call me what you will but please call me at dinner time..
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I thought that Preppers were the people that us Survivalists were going to raid for supplies after the end of the world.javascript:insertText('');

Back in the 80s I was a kid thinking we were going to war with the commies. that got me started as a survivalist and that title just feels normal. Prepping sounds to casual and PC.
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