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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 1:44:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/12/2010 1:48:41 PM EST by blackhawkhunter]
To expand on what Protus mentioned.... a member here had asked about Dave and his school. I mentioned that I had ordered something from him and never got it and got no response when I emailed him. Once Dave found out that he was being discussed on here he joined and IM'd me and made good his sale. I had also mentioned online that I while I enjoyed some of his vids I disagreed with some of his ideas. For example, in my opinion, unless you are injured, its not hard to survive one night outdoors... likewise, you can survive the night with just a wool blanket, but if you are carrying something planning on sleeping why not carry a real sleeping bag which is lighter and more compact.... thats the sort of stuff I disagreed with. He took great offense to me questioning him even tho I admited that AO might affect our differences.

Oh well.... I watched the show a couple times and was somewhat amused. I like the flexibility of the hippy guy and am amused at the ridged unflexing way Dave deals with issues. Its like if he didnt get trained that way or read about it that way its not right... he does not adapt to his environment, he fights it every step of the way. Makes for amusing TV, but even my 15 year old daughter thought he was being rediculous.

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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 3:52:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Apparently the bow and arrow/turkey scene was impressive enough for Fuggit to be almost breathless when he told me about it.


I was breathless because you had me alone in the woods.

I thought the glass arrow head he fashioned was pretty damn good. The turkey shot looked like it was 5-6 yards.

Who is this guy at bushcraft? What are his credentials?


I am Faol on Bushcraft USA, and I am one of the founders of it. My credentials are irrelevant since I have made no claims to be something I am not, and have not used my falsified military service to further my goals. These are official military records. I did not receive a DD-214. Prior to the courts deciding that Stolen Valor was unconstitutional (although it is still illegal to impersonate a cop or judge), I contacted the POW Network, and they did an investigation. I did not post anything else they notified me about, and there was more. I thought keeping things limited to the facts at hand, was sufficient.

I too have experience with things not ending up on my DD-214, but I am sure any of you would ensure that Ranger was there. He did tell someone he went to Ranger school, but did not get tabbed. I do not believe that either, because you much be Airborne Qualified to attend, which he is not.

I wish everyone success, but lying about your service to get there, is unacceptable to me. Especially since he removed all the videos that stated Ranger, when negotiations with Discovery began last fall. The Airborne mention on Dave's website bio, and Discovery's bio of him, was removed after the last week of June 2010, because I found the Google cache of it from that last week (and I have it in PDF file). Discovery changed that information included referring to him as an Army Sniper, after I notified them that he did not attend the sniper school. I knew this prior to the POW Network getting his military record.

I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and never questioned his Airborne qualification. But, it turned out not to be true also.

It is what it is, folks.

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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 3:57:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Apparently the bow and arrow/turkey scene was impressive enough for Fuggit to be almost breathless when he told me about it.


I was breathless because you had me alone in the woods.

I thought the glass arrow head he fashioned was pretty damn good. The turkey shot looked like it was 5-6 yards.

Who is this guy at bushcraft? What are his credentials?


I am Faol on Bushcraft USA, and I am one of the founders of it. My credentials are irrelevant since I have made no claims to be something I am not, and have not used my falsified military service to further my goals. These are official military records. I did not receive a DD-214. Prior to the courts deciding that Stolen Valor was unconstitutional (although it is still illegal to impersonate a cop or judge), I contacted the POW Network, and they did an investigation. I did not post anything else they notified me about, and there was more. I thought keeping things limited to the facts at hand, was sufficient.

I too have experience with things not ending up on my DD-214, but I am sure any of you would ensure that Ranger was there. He did tell someone he went to Ranger school, but did not get tabbed. I do not believe that either, because you much be Airborne Qualified to attend, which he is not.

I wish everyone success, but lying about your service to get there, is unacceptable to me. Especially since he removed all the videos that stated Ranger, when negotiations with Discovery began last fall. The Airborne mention on Dave's website bio, and Discovery's bio of him, was removed after the last week of June 2010, because I found the Google cache of it from that last week (and I have it in PDF file). Discovery changed that information included referring to him as an Army Sniper, after I notified them that he did not attend the sniper school. I knew this prior to the POW Network getting his military record.

I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and never questioned his Airborne qualification. But, it turned out not to be true also.

It is what it is, folks.


Its good to know the truth. How many of the false claims are directly attributable to Dave himself?
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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 4:05:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Apparently the bow and arrow/turkey scene was impressive enough for Fuggit to be almost breathless when he told me about it.


I was breathless because you had me alone in the woods.

I thought the glass arrow head he fashioned was pretty damn good. The turkey shot looked like it was 5-6 yards.

Who is this guy at bushcraft? What are his credentials?


I am Faol on Bushcraft USA, and I am one of the founders of it. My credentials are irrelevant since I have made no claims to be something I am not, and have not used my falsified military service to further my goals. These are official military records. I did not receive a DD-214. Prior to the courts deciding that Stolen Valor was unconstitutional (although it is still illegal to impersonate a cop or judge), I contacted the POW Network, and they did an investigation. I did not post anything else they notified me about, and there was more. I thought keeping things limited to the facts at hand, was sufficient.

I too have experience with things not ending up on my DD-214, but I am sure any of you would ensure that Ranger was there. He did tell someone he went to Ranger school, but did not get tabbed. I do not believe that either, because you much be Airborne Qualified to attend, which he is not.

I wish everyone success, but lying about your service to get there, is unacceptable to me. Especially since he removed all the videos that stated Ranger, when negotiations with Discovery began last fall. The Airborne mention on Dave's website bio, and Discovery's bio of him, was removed after the last week of June 2010, because I found the Google cache of it from that last week (and I have it in PDF file). Discovery changed that information included referring to him as an Army Sniper, after I notified them that he did not attend the sniper school. I knew this prior to the POW Network getting his military record.

I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and never questioned his Airborne qualification. But, it turned out not to be true also.

It is what it is, folks.


Its good to know the truth. How many of the false claims are directly attributable to Dave himself?


All the claims are directly from Dave. Discovery did not say anything that he didn't tell them his qualifications were, so do not blame Discovery.

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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 4:07:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Apparently the bow and arrow/turkey scene was impressive enough for Fuggit to be almost breathless when he told me about it.


I was breathless because you had me alone in the woods.

I thought the glass arrow head he fashioned was pretty damn good. The turkey shot looked like it was 5-6 yards.

Who is this guy at bushcraft? What are his credentials?


I am Faol on Bushcraft USA, and I am one of the founders of it. My credentials are irrelevant since I have made no claims to be something I am not, and have not used my falsified military service to further my goals. These are official military records. I did not receive a DD-214. Prior to the courts deciding that Stolen Valor was unconstitutional (although it is still illegal to impersonate a cop or judge), I contacted the POW Network, and they did an investigation. I did not post anything else they notified me about, and there was more. I thought keeping things limited to the facts at hand, was sufficient.

I too have experience with things not ending up on my DD-214, but I am sure any of you would ensure that Ranger was there. He did tell someone he went to Ranger school, but did not get tabbed. I do not believe that either, because you much be Airborne Qualified to attend, which he is not.

I wish everyone success, but lying about your service to get there, is unacceptable to me. Especially since he removed all the videos that stated Ranger, when negotiations with Discovery began last fall. The Airborne mention on Dave's website bio, and Discovery's bio of him, was removed after the last week of June 2010, because I found the Google cache of it from that last week (and I have it in PDF file). Discovery changed that information included referring to him as an Army Sniper, after I notified them that he did not attend the sniper school. I knew this prior to the POW Network getting his military record.

I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and never questioned his Airborne qualification. But, it turned out not to be true also.

It is what it is, folks.


Its good to know the truth. How many of the false claims are directly attributable to Dave himself?


All the claims are directly from Dave. Discovery did not say anything that he didn't tell them his qualifications were, so do not blame Discovery.


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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 4:15:02 PM EST
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Dunno know if Dave's claims are true or bull shit, but bear in mind that DD-214s don't list everything. I'm looking at mine right now and it doesn't list half the stuff I did in my time in. For example, it doesn't list me going through Submarine School, or that I went through the Military Customs Inspector School taught by the U.S. Customs Service and was appointed to that duty, or that I was a certified U.S. Navy E.V.O.C Instructor, or a number of other things that I won't even get into but have the certs for.

The point is, your DD-214 is only as accurate as the personnel clerk wants to make it, and Block 14 and 18 are only so big. When I verified mine I made sure that it had the things on it that would help me get a civy job when I got out. I had the certs for everything else and didn't sweat it.

This isn't to defend Dave or anyone else, but lets have the correct info out there folks. The DD-214 is a summary, and not an exhaustive one at that. It's proof that you showed up for a few things, nothing more.





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my DD-214 doesn't show all of the stuff I did either... actually, mine is all clusterfucked, but I didn't feel like arguing about it at the time, one of those last minute have to catch a plane sort of things. I still have the paper awards and certificates to back my claims, somewhere. ... Need to find that shit and scan it into my thumbdrive one of these days...

back on point, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, I actually kind of like the guy. Between hearing him on Jacks podcast and talking to him on the interweb, I haven't gotten any bad vibes. Is some of his stuff worded very carefully to make him look better? yeah. Guess what, he's on TV, its in his careers best interest to look better. He's a hell of a lot better than Bear...


One quick sidetrack, sir. You can have the corrections made on a DD Form 215 to add the stuff they are missing.

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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 4:30:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Apparently the bow and arrow/turkey scene was impressive enough for Fuggit to be almost breathless when he told me about it.


I was breathless because you had me alone in the woods.

I thought the glass arrow head he fashioned was pretty damn good. The turkey shot looked like it was 5-6 yards.

Who is this guy at bushcraft? What are his credentials?


I am Faol on Bushcraft USA, and I am one of the founders of it. My credentials are irrelevant since I have made no claims to be something I am not, and have not used my falsified military service to further my goals. These are official military records. I did not receive a DD-214. Prior to the courts deciding that Stolen Valor was unconstitutional (although it is still illegal to impersonate a cop or judge), I contacted the POW Network, and they did an investigation. I did not post anything else they notified me about, and there was more. I thought keeping things limited to the facts at hand, was sufficient.

I too have experience with things not ending up on my DD-214, but I am sure any of you would ensure that Ranger was there. He did tell someone he went to Ranger school, but did not get tabbed. I do not believe that either, because you much be Airborne Qualified to attend, which he is not.

I wish everyone success, but lying about your service to get there, is unacceptable to me. Especially since he removed all the videos that stated Ranger, when negotiations with Discovery began last fall. The Airborne mention on Dave's website bio, and Discovery's bio of him, was removed after the last week of June 2010, because I found the Google cache of it from that last week (and I have it in PDF file). Discovery changed that information included referring to him as an Army Sniper, after I notified them that he did not attend the sniper school. I knew this prior to the POW Network getting his military record.

I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and never questioned his Airborne qualification. But, it turned out not to be true also.

It is what it is, folks.


Its good to know the truth. How many of the false claims are directly attributable to Dave himself?


All the claims are directly from Dave. Discovery did not say anything that he didn't tell them his qualifications were, so do not blame Discovery.



Can you post links to him making claims for himself? Lets start with the claim that he was a ranger. I thin it is number 11 in thelink in the original post.


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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 4:45:51 PM EST
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Can you post links to him making claims for himself? Lets start with the claim that he was a ranger. I thin it is number 11 in thelink in the original post.



No, all that was sanitized for the most part, but here is a quote that was copied and pasted directly from his site last year: Click here and look a little less than half way down for the full post.

Here's a quote from Dave regarding the gear he sells on his site:

As an Ex Army Ranger,Survival Instructor,and Extreme Hunter I expect alot from my gear. It is for that reason that the gear advertised for sale on this site has all been tested by myself and my son in a variety of extreme conditions. When your life depends on what little you carry-Buy from Wilderness Outfitters. We appreciate your business.


. It was on his website until last fall, and the intro to his videos too. Some folks have asked where they went, but they have never been answered. I will direct you to a looong thread, and you see his backtrack. Post #137 is his response to the above quote, where he admits it, then tries to twist it.

http://www.bushcraftusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3851&page=14


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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 5:28:12 PM EST
That is funny. I do like the show though. I have to say my DD214 does not show all my military history, the military seemed to lose my TDY's from 90-2001. Completed/credited for 11 and only showed four dates of departure and return. Also they don't put stuff in your military records such as escort duties. Now the ranger tab, yeah you can't BS that one.
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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 5:31:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By l1a1man:
That is funny. I do like the show though. I have to say my DD214 does not show all my military history, the military seemed to lose my TDY's from 90-2001. Completed/credited for 11 and only showed four dates of departure and return. Also they don't put stuff in your military records such as escort duties. Now the ranger tab, yeah you can't BS that one.

Wow, none of my TDY's are in my file. I had never heard of those being in a DD214. Interesting.



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Link Posted: 8/12/2010 5:32:01 PM EST
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Oops....double-tap.



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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 4:02:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
Originally Posted By oldgunner:

Can you post links to him making claims for himself? Lets start with the claim that he was a ranger. I thin it is number 11 in thelink in the original post.



No, all that was sanitized for the most part, but here is a quote that was copied and pasted directly from his site last year: Click here and look a little less than half way down for the full post.

Here's a quote from Dave regarding the gear he sells on his site:

As an Ex Army Ranger,Survival Instructor,and Extreme Hunter I expect alot from my gear. It is for that reason that the gear advertised for sale on this site has all been tested by myself and my son in a variety of extreme conditions. When your life depends on what little you carry-Buy from Wilderness Outfitters. We appreciate your business.


. It was on his website until last fall, and the intro to his videos too. Some folks have asked where they went, but they have never been answered. I will direct you to a looong thread, and you see his backtrack. Post #137 is his response to the above quote, where he admits it, then tries to twist it.

http://www.bushcraftusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3851&page=14




Yep, I was giving him the benifit of the doubt but he admits it.


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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 4:47:32 AM EST
After giving it some thought, I have to agree with what some of the others stated about the faked kills/catches in the Dual Survival show. It is entertainment, I was just a little disappointed at what I felt to be unrealistic aspects. How many have tried stalking a turkey and shooting it with a bow? A turkey's eyesight is phenomenal. I've been busted trying to stalk them at much further ranges, in FULL camo. Whacking a wild pig over the head with a stick isn't going to kill it either. Most people watching the show wouldn't notice unless they are avid hunters and outdoors-men.

That said, I think Dave probably did his time in the military honorably. He does have a lot of survival knowledge and I've learned a good bit from watching his videos.
I've known many people like Dave who talk themselves up a bit to "sell themselves".

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 5:13:08 AM EST

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After giving it some thought, I have to agree with what some of the others stated about the faked kills/catches in the Dual Survival show. It is entertainment, I was just a little disappointed at what I felt to be unrealistic aspects. How many have tried stalking a turkey and shooting it with a bow? A turkey's eyesight is phenomenal. I've been busted trying to stalk them at much further ranges, in FULL camo. Whacking a wild pig over the head with a stick isn't going to kill it either. Most people watching the show wouldn't notice unless they are avid hunters and outdoors-men.

That said, I think Dave probably did his time in the military honorably. He does have a lot of survival knowledge and I've learned a good bit from watching his videos.
I've known many people like Dave who talk themselves up a bit to "sell themselves".

Bottom line, I wouldn't hesitate to share a foxhole with the man.

"talk themselves up a bit"?? Wow, I never thought I would ever hear a vet say it is ok to have no integrity, especially of a fellow vet. Military values must have changed a lot since I left.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 6:11:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:

Originally Posted By Lootie23:
After giving it some thought, I have to agree with what some of the others stated about the faked kills/catches in the Dual Survival show. It is entertainment, I was just a little disappointed at what I felt to be unrealistic aspects. How many have tried stalking a turkey and shooting it with a bow? A turkey's eyesight is phenomenal. I've been busted trying to stalk them at much further ranges, in FULL camo. Whacking a wild pig over the head with a stick isn't going to kill it either. Most people watching the show wouldn't notice unless they are avid hunters and outdoors-men.

That said, I think Dave probably did his time in the military honorably. He does have a lot of survival knowledge and I've learned a good bit from watching his videos.
I've known many people like Dave who talk themselves up a bit to "sell themselves".

Bottom line, I wouldn't hesitate to share a foxhole with the man.

"talk themselves up a bit"?? Wow, I never thought I would ever hear a vet say it is ok to have no integrity, especially of a fellow vet. Military values must have changed a lot since I left.
I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying it is a reality that there are a lot of people who do it, military or no. I agree it is wrong and he should be called on it.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 6:29:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack:
They certainly give you a driver's qualification medal for completing driver's AIT (88mike). Goes on the class A's with the rifle and grenade medals.

Don't know anything about a badge, but I've been a civvie for ten years.


Originally Posted By dogsplat:

Originally Posted By m193:
Iinteresting. Sometimes the lies catch you.

http://bushcraftusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17461&highlight=dave


Driver's badge?

What, the Army puts a badge on your uniform for getting a .mil drivers license?

Seriously?

As for Canterbury, never heard of him.


Originally Posted By Fister:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_and_Mechanic_Badge

A drivers badge is real. I always find it funny how many of the members here know everything there is to know about service life from the sideline.


It's fairly easy to get your wheeled badge. Just be in a driver slot, put on 1000 miles or so on your license with no accident, and voila. The other qualifications require knowledge tests to earn, from what I remember. I had to research the wheeled qualifications so I could put in for mine. Never got it though because my unit PAC was horrible with losing things.

But, in a nutshell, a wheeled driver's badge isn't anything to write home to mom and dad about.

Oh, and they did just change the law to make it a crime to claim military honors you have never earned. I think it went into effect last year. The stupid thing is we're still having people do this crap even after all the spotlight some of these turds have been getting. There was an article in the Army Times a few weeks ago about a CSM who just left Walter Reed who lied about his achievements. I mean, I feel silly sometimes when people ask if I've ever been in theater and I say no, but I see no reason to claim glory that I didn't earn.

Edit: Blargh, it helps if one realizes there are more than one page in a thread and reads them. Sorry for the repeat and rehash!

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 8:38:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Apparently the bow and arrow/turkey scene was impressive enough for Fuggit to be almost breathless when he told me about it.


I was breathless because you had me alone in the woods.

I thought the glass arrow head he fashioned was pretty damn good. The turkey shot looked like it was 5-6 yards.

Who is this guy at bushcraft? What are his credentials?


He did tell someone he went to Ranger school, but did not get tabbed. I do not believe that either, because you much be Airborne Qualified to attend, which he is not.



I know for a fact that my friend went to Ranger school as a leg.

Originally Posted By l1a1man:
That is funny. I do like the show though. I have to say my DD214 does not show all my military history, the military seemed to lose my TDY's from 90-2001. Completed/credited for 11 and only showed four dates of departure and return. Also they don't put stuff in your military records such as escort duties. Now the ranger tab, yeah you can't BS that one.


I'm guessing he got injured and didn't get recycled. Again, I'm not sure of how he stated the claim, but that's how I'm guessing he didnt get tabbed.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 10:50:42 AM EST
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Thanks for taking the time to come over and explain. Appreciated.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 11:33:16 AM EST

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WigglinWilly, you DO NOT have to be airborne qualified to go to Ranger School.


I just reread the thread, I'm not a Canterbury fanboy, if he lied about his service record..well, that's pretty fucking low and a real integrity issue to me.

also, I really enjoy the Bushcraft USA forums, I lurk a lot, not sure if I've posted yet, though....

WOW...OK...LOL

That was the info when I was in. My bad. Either way he claimed both, and he is neither.



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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 12:36:53 PM EST
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Oops....double-tap.




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Thanks for clearing that up. Sounds like the guy has some character flaws.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 1:02:47 PM EST
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WOW...OK...LOL

That was the info when I was in. My bad. Either way he claimed both, and he is neither.




No you are wrong. It has never been "your way". You as well as many others in this thread are nothing more than a rumor dispensing barracks lawyer. You are talking out your ass. This thread isn't in GD but it sure as hell should be.

You guys start this thread to pick apart a veterans service record. All you have succeeded in is establishing that you guys know dick when it comes to the US ARMY. Honestly I don't expect a Marine to know ARMY stuff anymore than a Marine expects an ARMY dog to know theirs. But damn, you douche bags know so damn little the only thing we can be certain of is that you are fully qualified couch commandos. I tell ya what. Instead of feeding us all this shit about how you know all this crap but yet didn't spend any time in your lives completing a contract with the .gov, why don't you get in shape and get some time in. Maybe then you will learn a little respect for those who have hung a dusty uniform. Go get your education and earn the right to pick at anyone who has worn the uniform.




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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 1:19:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By Fister:
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:

WOW...OK...LOL

That was the info when I was in. My bad. Either way he claimed both, and he is neither.




No you are wrong. It has never been "your way". You as well as many others in this thread are nothing more than a rumor dispensing barracks lawyer. You are talking out your ass. This thread isn't in GD but it sure as hell should be.

You guys start this thread to pick apart a veterans service record. All you have succeeded in is establishing that you guys know dick when it comes to the US ARMY. Honestly I don't expect a Marine to know ARMY stuff anymore than a Marine expects an ARMY dog to know theirs. But damn, you douche bags know so damn little the only thing we can be certain of is that you are fully qualified couch commandos. I tell ya what. Instead of feeding us all this shit about how you know all this crap but yet didn't spend any time in your lives completing a contract with the .gov, why don't you get in shape and get some time in. Maybe then you will learn a little respect for those who have hung a dusty uniform. Go get your education and earn the right to pick at anyone who has worn the uniform.




I guess all I can say is fuck you very much. Defend him all you want and challenge me all you want. It changes nothing. I served my country peckerwood, and in combat, and am a service-connected disabled vet. I also have folks that I served with that will back up everything I say, pictures of my time in the sand box, etc.

I presented facts for lies. Period. Your inability to believe, makes it no less true.

Don't talk shit about something you cannot backup. If that is the only thing you can pick apart, then you are lacking. Perhaps you are just pissed that your hero has no integrity, and do not know how to cope?


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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 1:24:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By SirSqueeboo:
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Originally Posted By Fuggit:
Apparently the bow and arrow/turkey scene was impressive enough for Fuggit to be almost breathless when he told me about it.


I was breathless because you had me alone in the woods.

I thought the glass arrow head he fashioned was pretty damn good. The turkey shot looked like it was 5-6 yards.

Who is this guy at bushcraft? What are his credentials?


He did tell someone he went to Ranger school, but did not get tabbed. I do not believe that either, because you much be Airborne Qualified to attend, which he is not.



I know for a fact that my friend went to Ranger school as a leg.

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That is funny. I do like the show though. I have to say my DD214 does not show all my military history, the military seemed to lose my TDY's from 90-2001. Completed/credited for 11 and only showed four dates of departure and return. Also they don't put stuff in your military records such as escort duties. Now the ranger tab, yeah you can't BS that one.


I'm guessing he got injured and didn't get recycled. Again, I'm not sure of how he stated the claim, but that's how I'm guessing he didnt get tabbed.

Jeez, I should get paid as his PR guy

I appreciate the clarification. He admitted that he never attended. It is in that thread I referenced above, post #137.

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Good to see ya in here. Too bad this is getting a little pissy. Usually there is a lot of very good stuff in here. As you can tell we have discussed DC at least once before. That time Dave joined in. I wonder where he has gone for this one.

As I have said... his vids are entertaining... kind of. Some good some bad. I was just happy he finally made good on an order after about 5 months once he realized he had to prove himself to other potential customers. Now I dont even bother to see what new vids he might have out.

He is probably a good guy to say hello to, but I dont think I could put up with his autocratic rule for very long.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 4:06:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:

Originally Posted By Fister:
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:

WOW...OK...LOL

That was the info when I was in. My bad. Either way he claimed both, and he is neither.




No you are wrong. It has never been "your way". You as well as many others in this thread are nothing more than a rumor dispensing barracks lawyer. You are talking out your ass. This thread isn't in GD but it sure as hell should be.

You guys start this thread to pick apart a veterans service record. All you have succeeded in is establishing that you guys know dick when it comes to the US ARMY. Honestly I don't expect a Marine to know ARMY stuff anymore than a Marine expects an ARMY dog to know theirs. But damn, you douche bags know so damn little the only thing we can be certain of is that you are fully qualified couch commandos. I tell ya what. Instead of feeding us all this shit about how you know all this crap but yet didn't spend any time in your lives completing a contract with the .gov, why don't you get in shape and get some time in. Maybe then you will learn a little respect for those who have hung a dusty uniform. Go get your education and earn the right to pick at anyone who has worn the uniform.




I guess all I can say is fuck you very much. Defend him all you want and challenge me all you want. It changes nothing. I served my country peckerwood, and in combat, and am a service-connected disabled vet. I also have folks that I served with that will back up everything I say, pictures of my time in the sand box, etc.


I am sorry you feel the need to qualify yourself here. Only half of my reply was directed to you. Hence it was divided into two parts. So don't feel so special.




I presented facts for lies. Period. Your inability to believe, makes it no less true.

Don't talk shit about something you cannot backup. If that is the only thing you can pick apart, then you are lacking. Perhaps you are just pissed that your hero has no integrity, and do not know how to cope?

I doubt I am the only one who reads the irony in this posting.




If you want to press stolen valor then you should really take this to the hall of heros forum, get your facts strait and contact your elected official. Not here.
In three pages so far many have piped in about a suposed false badge and now you with your know it all no such thing as a leg ranger comment. The irony lies quoted above. Its simple really. If you don't know what your talking about keep your hole shut and you won't come off looking like such an ass. If nothing else you should have picked up on this while you were in there hero.

Eta: I don't follow this guy. It just really gets under my skin when civis start shooting off about things they have no real knowledge about. Same when someone professing to be xmil does the same. If the shoe fits wear it.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 4:24:43 PM EST

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If you want to press stolen valor then you should really take this to the hall of heros forum, get your facts strait and contact your elected official. Not here.
In three pages so far many have piped in about a suposed false badge and now you with your know it all no such thing as a leg ranger comment. The irony lies quoted above. Its simple really. If you don't know what your talking about keep your hole shut and you won't come off looking like such an ass. If nothing else you should have picked up on this while you were in there hero.


POW Network is who provided that. Stolen Valor is already in play. A leg Ranger is an honest mistake. I worked with 1/75th at Hunter when I was in, and I never saw a single one without wings. I have never even heard of one until it was mentioned here.

As for looking like an ass...we all do at some time. Your attitude just pegs you as an internet bully, hero.

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I apologize for my inadvertent comment about being Airborne Qualifed. While it does not change the facts related to a lying veteran, it was a mistake on my part; however, there is no mention of this in the diatribe that was linked by the OP, so in fact it has no basis on the purpose of this thread.

Being a man of integrity, I will admit that I did make a mistake in that assumption. It did cause me to look it up, because the folks I worked with jumped. I know because I worked on the equipment they landed on.

I do like to learn new things, so I located this on Wikipedia.

Ranger School students will participate in three airborne, and several air assault operations throughout the duration of the course, relying on C-130 Hercules cargo planes, as well as UH-60 Black Hawk and CH-47 Chinook helicopters, for insertion and extraction. Non-airborne personnel will work drop zone details while the other students jump. The students also have the ability to call-in and utilize close air support in the form of AH-64 Apache attack helicopters and AC-130H Spectre gunships during many of their missions. All aircraft are provided by other nearby units as part of a training co-operative.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 4:59:33 PM EST
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I apologize for my inadvertent comment about being Airborne Qualifed. While it does not change the facts related to a lying veteran, it was a mistake on my part; however, there is no mention of this in the diatribe that was linked by the OP, so in fact it has no basis on the purpose of this thread.

Being a man of integrity, I will admit that I did make a mistake in that assumption. It did cause me to look it up, because the folks I worked with jumped. I know because I worked on the equipment they landed on.

I do like to learn new things, so I located this on Wikipedia.

Ranger School students will participate in three airborne, and several air assault operations throughout the duration of the course, relying on C-130 Hercules cargo planes, as well as UH-60 Black Hawk and CH-47 Chinook helicopters, for insertion and extraction. Non-airborne personnel will work drop zone details while the other students jump. The students also have the ability to call-in and utilize close air support in the form of AH-64 Apache attack helicopters and AC-130H Spectre gunships during many of their missions. All aircraft are provided by other nearby units as part of a training co-operative.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 5:10:50 PM EST
I was going to say that if Canterbury actually went to Ranger School but didn't graduate, he probably was peered out. But since he was an enlisted MP it is very doubtful that he would have ever gotten a Ranger School slot.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 5:14:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:
I apologize for my inadvertent comment about being Airborne Qualifed. While it does not change the facts related to a lying veteran, it was a mistake on my part; however, there is no mention of this in the diatribe that was linked by the OP, so in fact it has no basis on the purpose of this thread.

Being a man of integrity, I will admit that I did make a mistake in that assumption. It did cause me to look it up, because the folks I worked with jumped. I know because I worked on the equipment they landed on.

I do like to learn new things, so I located this on Wikipedia.

Ranger School students will participate in three airborne, and several air assault operations throughout the duration of the course, relying on C-130 Hercules cargo planes, as well as UH-60 Black Hawk and CH-47 Chinook helicopters, for insertion and extraction. Non-airborne personnel will work drop zone details while the other students jump. The students also have the ability to call-in and utilize close air support in the form of AH-64 Apache attack helicopters and AC-130H Spectre gunships during many of their missions. All aircraft are provided by other nearby units as part of a training co-operative.

Oh, and I am done with personal attacks.



Just don't leave the forum over the personal attacks man. Its just part of it over here.
Once you get past it, these guys aren't so bad.

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I don't know if he is lying or not, but he is a freakin idiot. Going after honey as a survival technique is friken retarded.
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I don't know if he is lying or not, but he is a freakin idiot. Going after honey as a survival technique is friken retarded.

LOL...a few minutes ago my daughter said that exact same thing. She said, "Sorry Dad, I cannot watch this, the short guy is a freakin idiot." I like that Cody always has a little smirk on his face when Dave goes after this type or stuff.


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Originally Posted By batmanacw:
I don't know if he is lying or not, but he is a freakin idiot. Going after honey as a survival technique is friken retarded.

LOL...a few minutes ago my daughter said that exact same thing. She said, "Sorry Dad, I cannot watch this, the short guy is a freakin idiot." I like that Cody always has a little smirk on his face when Dave goes after this type or stuff.



My 4 year old daughter said, "that's stupid. he's going to get stung".
I told the kids that the TV people have to make shows interesting. Explained the cameramen being at the bottom of the hill filming them coming down. Etc.

I learn something watching the show. It is entertainment. I would agree that Dave Canterbury seems to have a rigid attitude toward survival. I will be disappointed if he has exaggerated his service like that.

BushcraftUSA seems to be an interesting site, too, by the way.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2010 7:40:59 PM EST

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Originally Posted By WigglinWilly:

Originally Posted By batmanacw:
I don't know if he is lying or not, but he is a freakin idiot. Going after honey as a survival technique is friken retarded.

LOL...a few minutes ago my daughter said that exact same thing. She said, "Sorry Dad, I cannot watch this, the short guy is a freakin idiot." I like that Cody always has a little smirk on his face when Dave goes after this type or stuff.



My 4 year old daughter said, "that's stupid. he's going to get stung".
I told the kids that the TV people have to make shows interesting. Explained the cameramen being at the bottom of the hill filming them coming down. Etc.

I learn something watching the show. It is entertainment. I would agree that Dave Canterbury seems to have a rigid attitude toward survival. I will be disappointed if he has exaggerated his service like that.

BushcraftUSA seems to be an interesting site, too, by the way.

Thanks. We have tried hard to make it a respectable place to share knowledge, and there are mostly great folks there. Folks that are disrespectful are quickly banned. We don't have the anarchy of this place.

While we have had a few folks banned, we said when we first started it that we would never do that. Well, that turned out to be an unrealistic statement, but we did go a year and a half before we had to do the first one, so that was an accomplishment I reckon. As a matter of fact, we never had any rule other than the Golden Rule, until December 31, 2009.


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It isn't obvious to me that the turkey was tied down or had anything tied to it. Am I missing something? You shoot an animal and it might run a little funny. What am I not seeing?
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Link Posted: 8/14/2010 2:07:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By FIELD_MP:
It isn't obvious to me that the turkey was tied down or had anything tied to it. Am I missing something? You shoot an animal and it might run a little funny. What am I not seeing?


before he shoots it,,,you can see it kinda flop around like it has broken leg/wing( it spots him and trys to leave but cant).. then pop it heads up, purr and cut a few times and dave smears dirt and moss on his face, takes up the bow and shoots the turkey....

someone with a dvr should look at the turkey pics and see if it is a wild turkey native to that area or just a farm raised stunt turkey that would kinda set it even more in stone.

here is a list of what is in that AO,kinda of a metlting pot if ya ask me.. lol

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Originally Posted By FIELD_MP:
It isn't obvious to me that the turkey was tied down or had anything tied to it. Am I missing something? You shoot an animal and it might run a little funny. What am I not seeing?

When he chases it, you see it run and then stop suddenly and struggle while he's stumbling behind it. I'm not even sure he hit it with the arrow.

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I thought that was funny when Dave used the toilet paper to dab up the water from the plant, and put it in his mouth.

They recovered that roll of TP from the infected water. I am not sure if he remembered that after it went in his mouth, because that was an awful face he made. He played it off pretty good though, going back for more water dabbing.

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Link Posted: 8/14/2010 4:41:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FIELD_MP:
It isn't obvious to me that the turkey was tied down or had anything tied to it. Am I missing something? You shoot an animal and it might run a little funny. What am I not seeing?

When he chases it, you see it run and then stop suddenly and struggle while he's stumbling behind it. I'm not even sure he hit it with the arrow.


He's also chattering like a schoolgirl, moving around like he has ants in his pants, and making horrible 'calls' that magically allow a creature that is known to be one of the most observant and difficult to fool animals to come with range of a POS homemade bow and arrow.

BTW, would someone please tell Fuggit that walking in the woods barefooted is retarded? He has decided to hunt hogs with me, barefooted.

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Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By m193:

Originally Posted By FIELD_MP:
It isn't obvious to me that the turkey was tied down or had anything tied to it. Am I missing something? You shoot an animal and it might run a little funny. What am I not seeing?

When he chases it, you see it run and then stop suddenly and struggle while he's stumbling behind it. I'm not even sure he hit it with the arrow.


He's also chattering like a schoolgirl, moving around like he has ants in his pants, and making horrible 'calls' that magically allow a creature that is known to be one of the most observant and difficult to fool animals to come with range of a POS homemade bow and arrow.

BTW, would someone please tell Fuggit that walking in the woods barefooted is retarded? He has decided to hunt hogs with me, barefooted.

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I've been going barefoot my whole life. Just recently more often. My feet started hurting me real bad. I could hardly stand up without grimacing. Started going barefoot on my place and my feet haven't bothered me in over six months.

I was fine yesterday. Mostly oak and cedar bottom. We followed a trail and a creekbed. Climbing up and down the banks was much easier barefoot then when I do it with boots on. Plus I was a lot quieter than TRG. He sounded like a fuckin T-Rex on V. Stepping on every dry leaf and every twig. We couldn't have snuck up on a Van Halen concert.
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I've been going barefoot my whole life. Just recently more often. My feet started hurting me real bad. I could hardly stand up without grimacing. Started going barefoot on my place and my feet haven't bothered me in over six months.

I was fine yesterday. Mostly oak and cedar bottom. We followed a trail and a creekbed. Climbing up and down the banks was much easier barefoot then when I do it with boots on. Plus I was a lot quieter than TRG. He sounded like a fuckin T-Rex on V. Stepping on every dry leaf and every twig. We couldn't have snuck up on a Van Halen concert.


Well, you are rockin' the whole 'barefoot and pregnant' look.

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Originally Posted By l1a1man:
That is funny. I do like the show though. I have to say my DD214 does not show all my military history, the military seemed to lose my TDY's from 90-2001. Completed/credited for 11 and only showed four dates of departure and return. Also they don't put stuff in your military records such as escort duties. Now the ranger tab, yeah you can't BS that one.

Wow, none of my TDY's are in my file. I had never heard of those being in a DD214. Interesting.




Not my 214, on my records while I was in(should have clarified that). My 214 only lists dates of service, training for AFSC's and decorations/medals.
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Wow...just read this whole thing.

I watch Duel Survival. 1st of all if I had to pick one to survive with....it'd be Cody. Not only does he not bitch and moan continually...He does the woman's work. Plus if I was hungry...I'd be eating some bugs.

The show is ENTERTAINMENT. Ever since Bear Grills got caught hiking by the highway and sleeping in a hotel, the Discovery channel has made it pretty clear it's staged.

I thank Dave for his service - however I hope he claims the service he actually did. I won't judge him, however Willy, you have done what appears to be a great deal of homework....and if someone was calling me out like this, I'd be fighting back. However just like our shitty ass politicians, silence sometimes is the best answer.


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I agree. If I had to make a choice of who I wanted for a survival partner it'd be Lundin all the way. At first I thought he was a real kook, but aside for the barefoot bullshit (even Native Americans saw the value of moccassins ferchrissakes), he's got a real grasp of how to survive without making a serious fool of himself.

Drinking the water from that plant with the scrunched-up toilet paper kind of pissed me off a little. It just seemed like a really lame way to consume the water. How many swallows of water would he expect to get from a wad of TP like that? Even so, if the water was so cruddy that he had to strain it with something, why not also assume that the water harbored undesirable organisms as well? I can't believe the producers actually let that clip make the final cut. I guess I was peeved because I expected more from Canturbury.
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I just happened to listen to the SurvivalPodcast episode with Canterbury on it....he certainly doesn't try top correct Spirko when he reads of "Sniper" in Daves military accomplishments... as well as the other...

I am inclined to believe Canterbury padded his experience. That's OK if you are trying to get a chick in the sack, or if you have a small penis, but that's it.



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ive come to recall something i talked about with a few others who have written survival rag articles, short wave radio,newletters, you name it, a year or so back at a survival camp out somewhere.....
We got to talking about how many "preppers" and how many "survivalist" were popping up all over the web( as bloggers,forum owners, youtubers/pocasters). Mostly after katrina.
How you could have someone that really hasnt done much,or knew much but just put the time/effort and funding into their project and how ,months/years later people will brag on them/go to them for advice.
Then the subject of "padding" like what you said Tim came up. We talked about how it would affect some of these people down the road shortterm wise and longterm wise. Ive run into guys that when a subject came up,could talkyour brain into mush about it. Know every little thing. But have never done it. But damn if they didnt sound good talking about it.

I remember when Jack from podcast showed up here a few years back...posted up a movie...and everyone here laughed him outta town. Now, how many people here are fans of his show? Read his forum? Go to his adverts or have purchased what he promotes?This is not an attack on Jack, but to give you an idea of how people get to where they do. Many are souly into this for the money/profit. Not saying jack is, but that many many out there are. I dont fault them for it, but at the same it does get rather annoying.

Dave C is no different. He started at point d...rose to point Z fast and now has people second guessing him.
Like many others you post/brag/say that you do xyz, you better be ready to back it up, especially if youve done so and are reaping a profit off of it.
Just like here you say you can hump a 120lb ruck 25mile sin 3 hours, you better be able to prove you did it, or your gonna have a bunch of guys in your ass about it. Me i look at it as if you post it, better think about how some newb may use that info. If its gonna get someone hurt, killed, or worsen their chances of survival you shouldnt post it/film it/blog it/author it (aka like telling folks it'll be safe to put your BOL in New York city)

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