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Posted: 8/25/2010 10:16:19 AM
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Originally Posted By millsusaf:


Very nice! How did you engrave the gray dual mag 1911 holder?


Electric engraver available at Menards, although I also saw one at Harbor Freight. Both were around $10.00. Home Depot has a Dremel brand which is a lot nicer and is is under $20.00. Having used both, I would get the Dremel.

It is actually black, just the way the camera took the photo. And it is for a S&W 5904.
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Thanks for all information everyone posted. It helped me alot.

this stuff is really easy to use. easier than leather. here is my new outside the waistband holster. although if you followed the directions on a certain website, you could also mount it IWB. This holster fits so tight to the body. this is a heavy duty holster. i ran out of kydex. except the .090 and the .125. I used the .090 piece on the outside and the .125 piece on the inside and for belt loops,

if you were wondering about the defintion... I dont think you want definition with the concealable style holster. This style holster softens the lines of the holster, so it is less obvious you are wearing a gun through your cover garment. I had to fight the urge to get the deep defintion you might like to see. I got such good defintion at first, I had to reheat and not clamp the press so tight. You could read the "made in croatia" stamp from the pistol.





this is my IWB holster I made following this thread. I stamped it with a leather stamp I had to personalize it.


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Posted: 8/25/2010 10:45:24 PM

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Made a ruggidized holder for my VX7r handheld. Works damn well.

I need to post up some pics of the ONE piece mag holders I reverse engineered. No rivets or screws, half the belt space and really good retention of the mag and stays on the belt...
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You heat just those areas with a heat source like a heat gun or something similar.

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The key is not getting it too hot. I hold the heat gun about 4 inches from the material and make six medium speed passes on each side of the edge to be curved. If you do this with the lights dimmed you can see the orange glow from the heat source and this helps locate exactly where you are applying heat. Make your passes just behind the line of rivets. Trial and error will tell you how much heat works best for you. I then place it on the edge of my bench and hold it down with a scrap piece of 1x2. This keeps the edge from curling and the two pieces of hot kydex from seperating at the seam. Then you just curl the edge to what works best for you. Remember not to remove too much material near the edge before bending. If you are too close to the rivet line the top piece will be short and edge will not finish straight. Hope that helps.
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Someone sticky this thing....
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Someone sticky this thing....


I second that. You are up for thread of the year in my opinion.
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I dipped just the wing portion of the holster in a pot of boiling water, then bent it with gloved hands.
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Form your kydex for $10


Ok, this is for anyone that wants to make an IWB holster, or in any situation where the kydex is formed to the entire gun with one side on a flat surface. However, I believe that it could be used to fabricate a holster where each sheet is half the gun.


First off, you need a vacuum bag like you use for clothes/blankets/etc. I got a package of two "large" "original space bags" for $10. The large is way big but nice for the amount of room.


You will also need the following household items:
A flat, rigid sheet of something that will fit in the bag but won't bend or twist. I used thick cardboard, but a plastic cutting board or similar should work. I wouldn't use plywood unless all edges and corners had been beveled and sanded smooth (don't want to poke a hole in the bag)
a lightweight hand towel, or terry towel
A vacuum cleaner with a detachable hose
another towel soaked in cold water

The steps are simple

First, get your flat piece of something, set your gun on it, and cover your gun with the towel. Stick everything in the bag, seal, and vacuum out the air. Practice this until you can get the whole thing in the bag quickly without dropping or otherwise messing everything up.

Then, gather your materials, tape your pencil to your front sight channel, rough cut your kydex, and figure out how you want it molded.

After you have everything together, heat your kydex. Place your gun on the cardboard, then place the heated kydex on the gun, followed by the towel. Position and roughly form the kydex by hand, then stick it in the bag. (sorry, no photo)


Then, seal the bag and apply the vacuum. While the air is being sucked out, use your hands to work the kydex in place through the bag:


Once you can feel that everything is going where it should, place the wet towel over the kydex. I was a little concerned about melting the bag at first, but my fears were unfounded. However, this helps to keep the bag cool while cooling the kydex:


After it's cool, open the bag and you should have something that looks like this:


I trimmed this with a cutoff wheel in a dremel, then sanded the edges using a powered "corner cat" style finish sander.


The best part: I can still use the bags for their originally intended use!
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Posted: 8/29/2010 12:37:35 PM

Originally Posted By pilotman:
Form your kydex for $10


Ok, this is for anyone that wants to make an IWB holster, or in any situation where the kydex is formed to the entire gun with one side on a flat surface. However, I believe that it could be used to fabricate a holster where each sheet is half the gun.


First off, you need a vacuum bag like you use for clothes/blankets/etc. I got a package of two "large" "original space bags" for $10. The large is way big but nice for the amount of room.
http://www.clothingcheapprice.com/images_products/New_West_Products_BRS_8225_ITW_Space_Bag_BRS_8225_Vacuum_Seal_Storage_Bags_Set_of_2_Medium.jpg

You will also need the following household items:
A flat, rigid sheet of something that will fit in the bag but won't bend or twist. I used thick cardboard, but a plastic cutting board or similar should work. I wouldn't use plywood unless all edges and corners had been beveled and sanded smooth (don't want to poke a hole in the bag)
a lightweight hand towel, or terry towel
A vacuum cleaner with a detachable hose
another towel soaked in cold water

The steps are simple

First, get your flat piece of something, set your gun on it, and cover your gun with the towel. Stick everything in the bag, seal, and vacuum out the air. Practice this until you can get the whole thing in the bag quickly without dropping or otherwise messing everything up.

Then, gather your materials, tape your pencil to your front sight channel, rough cut your kydex, and figure out how you want it molded.

After you have everything together, heat your kydex. Place your gun on the cardboard, then place the heated kydex on the gun, followed by the towel. Position and roughly form the kydex by hand, then stick it in the bag. (sorry, no photo)


Then, seal the bag and apply the vacuum. While the air is being sucked out, use your hands to work the kydex in place through the bag:
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/pilotman66/DSC01757.jpg

Once you can feel that everything is going where it should, place the wet towel over the kydex. I was a little concerned about melting the bag at first, but my fears were unfounded. However, this helps to keep the bag cool while cooling the kydex:
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/pilotman66/DSC01759.jpg

After it's cool, open the bag and you should have something that looks like this:
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/pilotman66/DSC01761.jpg

I trimmed this with a cutoff wheel in a dremel, then sanded the edges using a powered "corner cat" style finish sander.
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/pilotman66/DSC01764.jpg

The best part: I can still use the bags for their originally intended use!

LOL, I can't believe that worked, very ingenious of you!
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Posted: 8/29/2010 6:05:02 PM
Originally Posted By pilotman:
Form your kydex for $10


Ok, this is for anyone that wants to make an IWB holster, or in any situation where the kydex is formed to the entire gun with one side on a flat surface. However, I believe that it could be used to fabricate a holster where each sheet is half the gun.


First off, you need a vacuum bag like you use for clothes/blankets/etc. I got a package of two "large" "original space bags" for $10. The large is way big but nice for the amount of room.
http://www.clothingcheapprice.com/images_products/New_West_Products_BRS_8225_ITW_Space_Bag_BRS_8225_Vacuum_Seal_Storage_Bags_Set_of_2_Medium.jpg

You will also need the following household items:
A flat, rigid sheet of something that will fit in the bag but won't bend or twist. I used thick cardboard, but a plastic cutting board or similar should work. I wouldn't use plywood unless all edges and corners had been beveled and sanded smooth (don't want to poke a hole in the bag)
a lightweight hand towel, or terry towel
A vacuum cleaner with a detachable hose
another towel soaked in cold water

The steps are simple

First, get your flat piece of something, set your gun on it, and cover your gun with the towel. Stick everything in the bag, seal, and vacuum out the air. Practice this until you can get the whole thing in the bag quickly without dropping or otherwise messing everything up.

Then, gather your materials, tape your pencil to your front sight channel, rough cut your kydex, and figure out how you want it molded.

After you have everything together, heat your kydex. Place your gun on the cardboard, then place the heated kydex on the gun, followed by the towel. Position and roughly form the kydex by hand, then stick it in the bag. (sorry, no photo)


Then, seal the bag and apply the vacuum. While the air is being sucked out, use your hands to work the kydex in place through the bag:
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/pilotman66/DSC01757.jpg

Once you can feel that everything is going where it should, place the wet towel over the kydex. I was a little concerned about melting the bag at first, but my fears were unfounded. However, this helps to keep the bag cool while cooling the kydex:
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/pilotman66/DSC01759.jpg

After it's cool, open the bag and you should have something that looks like this:
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/pilotman66/DSC01761.jpg

I trimmed this with a cutoff wheel in a dremel, then sanded the edges using a powered "corner cat" style finish sander.
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/pilotman66/DSC01764.jpg

The best part: I can still use the bags for their originally intended use!


heh. pretty neat.



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Posted: 8/29/2010 9:47:49 PM
Here's my first attempt at kydex molding. It's a holster for my PX4 with a TLR-1, which was probably too complicated for a first timer. It was fairly difficult to leave enough room to keep the light from getting stuck in the holster.

It's also held together with 4 Chicago screws right now. The tool I thought I could use to flare the rivets did not work, so I'm going to have to go get a rivet flare die or some extra Chicago screws tomorrow to finish up.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with it.




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Posted: 8/29/2010 10:35:01 PM
Active retention, with the strap for added safety when carrying cocked and locked.

Kydex was done using the "vacuum bag" method.

My leatherwork skills need some polishing...




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I submit my OD Green OWB holster I did for a friend for his M&P9 Pro.



I have to say that I prefer not to work with the .08 stuff. IMO it's overkill for a holster body and it way too rigid causing the pull weight to be too high. Too bad it is the only thickness that comes in colors though.
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Posted: 8/30/2010 9:21:15 PM
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The ingenuity around this joint is beginning to frighten me!

(that's a compliment, pilotman )





Now you've got me eyeballing our shop Ingersoll Rand compressor. It has two sets of ¾" female threads on the intake side (under the filters),.. and that thing can suck a 747 through a ¾" pipe...






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Posted: 8/30/2010 10:27:01 PM
Originally Posted By pilotman:
Form your kydex for $10




First off, you need a vacuum bag like you use for clothes/blankets/etc. I got a package of two "large" "original space bags" for $10. The large is way big but nice for the amount of room.
http://www.clothingcheapprice.com/images_products/New_West_Products_BRS_8225_ITW_Space_Bag_BRS_8225_Vacuum_Seal_Storage_Bags_Set_of_2_Medium.jpg



fantastic, I was just thinking of using this for some composite projects for school. How well does the bag hold vacuum once the vacuum cleaner is removed?

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Posted: 8/31/2010 8:26:38 AM
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Originally Posted By pilotman:
Form your kydex for $10




First off, you need a vacuum bag like you use for clothes/blankets/etc. I got a package of two "large" "original space bags" for $10. The large is way big but nice for the amount of room.
http://www.clothingcheapprice.com/images_products/New_West_Products_BRS_8225_ITW_Space_Bag_BRS_8225_Vacuum_Seal_Storage_Bags_Set_of_2_Medium.jpg



fantastic, I was just thinking of using this for some composite projects for school. How well does the bag hold vacuum once the vacuum cleaner is removed?




Holds just fine. The point where you put the vacuum hose is a one way valve, so you can pull the hose off and it'll stay sealed.

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This thread is awesome...
I'm going to start making a press today, 3/4" plywood with a hinged top. How much space do I want between the top and bottom boards (where the foam will go)? I'm assuming I'll want less space than the 2" of foam, too keep the boards fairly parallel when under pressure, correct?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted By Greyhunter:
This thread is awesome...
I'm going to start making a press today, 3/4" plywood with a hinged top. How much space do I want between the top and bottom boards (where the foam will go)? I'm assuming I'll want less space than the 2" of foam, too keep the boards fairly parallel when under pressure, correct?

Thanks!


The distance between my two boards when parallel is 1 3/8". It ended up at that because I do both OWB and IWB stuff and wanted the versatility.
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Cool, thanks for the quick response.
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can you explain your process from start to finish???


Here it goes. Please keep in mind that this is just what I've come up with and like they say "your mileage may vary". Also I've never really done a picture intensive How-To before so if this is totally incoherant, I apologize.

First thing you need is a good press. This one I made out of 1/4" steel with and industrial hinge and the Kydex forming foam from knifekits. Absolutely no flex here.






You need a gun to use for the mold, a sheet of kydex, and a pencil to layout some guide lines. I start on this Glock 19 buy cutting two squares out of the sheet. Use a ruler to cut a even piece helps limit scrap. Simply score with a utility knife and snap off. For the front I use a 6"x6" piece and because this one will be getting a sweatguard, a 6"x8" piece for the back. I lay out the gun at the angle I want and trace the outline on the back piece of kydex. I always start with the back piece first.




Using a dedicated toaster oven set at 350, I heat the piece of kydex untill it is nice and pliable. Keep checking the piece every few seconds until it is soft enough for use. If you leave it in too long it will shrink or worse, melt and you will have to scap the piece. I then pull the hot kydex out, lay it in my press, line the mold up with the outline I drew earlier, and clamp the press. I do the back first, then once it has cooled and before moving anything I do the front piece, lining up the edges of the two pieces of kydex before clamping. I have found having your front and back pieces nice and even saves a lot of frustration later when trying to drill the rivet holes.





Once these halves cool, sketch out how you want the basic shape to look. Keep in mind to fully cover the trigger guard and I make sure to remove any material around the magazine release. You don't want a holster tightened up against the body to accidently bump the release. I then cut out the top edge of the front piece and the ingsweatguard area of the rear piece. The shears in the photo are available from Harbor Freight and work awesome at cutting the thinner kydex. Cut away from your lines and do the final shaping with a stone wheel or sander. I find the stone wheel on a bench grinder works best for me.





Next I lay out the rivet locations. I use a hole guide to give me consistent results. Making sure to leave plenty of room to set the curve later, I mark the locations using a pencil. Then I go back and mark these spots with a hammer and nail used as a center punch. The kydex drill bit I use has a nice sharp point and these punch marks help guide the bit when starting to cut the hole. The kydex bit is available from knifekits as well and works great. I clamp the two halves with strong mini clamps and keep the mold in the middle to ensure alignment. Then I go through and drill all the rivet holes. It may be necissary to remove a clamp to reach certain hole marks. If this is needed I insert a rivet in the nearest, already drilled hole to hold the pieces together but I do not press the rivet yet. There is enough friction there to hold the two pieces in alignment. Once you finish all the holes, pull the two piece apart and clean up any flash left from the bit. This will keep your edges looking clean when you finish them later.





Go through and install all the rivets, front to back for a cleaner look, and press flare them out. I use a half ton arbor press form Harbor Freight and the rivet flare dies from knifekits. This is a very clean and pretty inexpesive set up for someone that might do a few holsters. I drilled out the press head and installed the top die using set screws. Aligned the bottom die and did the same. I can do all the rivets on a holster body in about 15 seconds and they are perfect.









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Now that the two pieces are together, Go through and remove any excess kydex with shears. I then use the stone wheel to clean up the outline and really make it start looking like a holster. What you end up with is a very rough version of your final product.




Next is setting the curve which I explained before. I heat up the edge with a few passes of a heat gun, and bend the edge by clamping it with a scrap piece of wood and rolling over the side of my bench. While I am using the heatgun, I also heat up the area of the ejection port and remove the detail. While the detail looks nice, it makes the weapon hard, if not impossible to draw. Eventually I would like to make a jig, maybe out of modeling clay, and remove this detail from the mold the first time around. I think the finished product would definitly look nicer.






Up next is cleaning up the edges. I use a Dremel tool and bits I get from a Tool and Die shop. I am unsure of their exact names but one is a extremely hard, durable rubber like material and the other is a very dense felt. Holding the piece up tight to my body I bevel the edges and do any final shaping with the rubber bit then final polish the edge with the felt bit. The first photo shows the bits I am refering to. They do not look like this when new, it's just these have seen some use. The close up photos show the three stages of an edge from start to finish.






That is it for the main body. Clean up any pencil lines and you are done.




Normally I make up my belt loops in bunches, that way I just reach in my bag o' loops and I am done, but I will show you the process I use to make loops. Having a a good belt loop jig definitly helps give you very consistent results. Here is my ultra high tech loop jig. Two scrap deck boards, a door hinge and a strip of finish grade 1x2 Poplar.





For belt loops I use 1/8" kydex and cut them 5/8" wide. Same basic process as the main body, just a little tougher to score and snap. An adjustable wrench or pliers are a must.





I heat it up put in in my jig and clamp it down to cool. I already have my hole location guide lines marked on the jig so I can mark a whole row of belt loops at once. I then center punch each side and drill out the mounting holes. I snip the excess material from the ends and round with the stone wheel. Next I install the mounting hardware and I have a finished holster.







Here is a final glamour shot. I hope this was usefull. Thank you.







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Swinkster, or anyone else...
Pretty much every holster I see consists of two pieces of kydex joined down the centerline of the gun. I am wanting to try a flat backed holster for my LCP and a G23, where the entire depth of the gun will be covered by the front half. The purpose, obviously, is to be able to attach these holsters to flat surfaces.
In order to do that, do I just replace the bottom piece of foam with a smooth hard surface, or are other steps necessary? Do I need to put both pieces of foam on the top side to get that deep of a mold? Any special considerations?

This will be my first attempt, my kydex order should be in today.
Thanks
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