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Link Posted: 3/7/2016 5:37:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BASE:
I'd love to let Nelly's sort this out, but I got the NVR from B&H, and I think that's where the issue is.

I will try the PoE injector between the camera and the NVR tonight. My laptop recently died and I replaced it with a new one...with new windows. I was planning on plugging it into one of the PoE ports and changing the IP to see what I could see from that end but I got frustrated just trying to figure out where the start menu was I may give that another shot tonight as well.
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You bought the cameras from Nellys? Can't hurt to give them a call. Worse thing they can say is no.
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 7:07:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/8/2016 10:54:52 AM EDT
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Well I think I figured out my problem. Some jackass (me) crimped the plugs wrong. I switched the blue/white & green/white wires. They all checked fine with my cheapo cable tester because I did the same thing to every plug, but the split pairs were enough to mess up the NVR on the long runs. Not sure why it still worked fine with the passive PoE injector and the laptop. It had been a few years since I made any network cables and I guess I should have just looked at a diagram I feel like an idiot but at least it was a pretty straight forward fix.
Link Posted: 3/8/2016 5:23:59 PM EDT
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The PoE spec does some cable and end devices verification to insure the system is capable before the voltage is applied. That's probably what tripped it up. Passive PoE doesn't mess with that. Glad you figured it out.
Link Posted: 3/8/2016 7:35:32 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/10/2016 8:33:08 PM EDT
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Need to replace my dying 2MCCTV 16 channel analog dvr.  POS is barely 3 years old. Thing is pretty loud, and I didn’t like the client software all that much. I have to keep re-formatting the disk every few days to get it to operate, and sometimes it just mysteriously quits recording.

One feature that I need to preserve is the ability to send the feed of one camera to an lcd I have installed inside my front door (acts as a peephole).  

I loop-out of the current dvr (there’s a BNC output for each camera) and send it to the front door lcd via Siamese cable. Many dvrs I have looked at do not have this feature (loop-out); if there is another way (splitter?) to do this, I’m all ears.

The current dvr uses H.264 compression, and records at 7FPS per channel in D1 resolution. I would like at least this performance; of course, better is welcome.

My cameras are 700TVL, except for one which is 480 TVL (indoor ‘smoke alarm’ hidden camera).

So, any recommendations from the hive?
Link Posted: 3/10/2016 11:15:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/25/2016 9:55:38 PM EDT
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All I really want to do is have a single camera so I can look at my driveway. My office is a 12' x 16' shed in the back yard. I have a wireless access point I use for Internet. I've looked around this thread and searched nellys security from everyone discussing them. I found single camera system and think this would work for what I want.......

With this I assume I can look at this camera feed in my office live as it would be connected to the same network. I'm not looking for a high tech system I just want to see what is going on at the front of the house. If the meter reader is here or mail/ups shows up with a package is all I'm looking to watch. Recording is not a big deal. I'm also not looking to put $1000 into a system. I have some networking experience and can make a network cable (I work on robotic milking equipment that is networked together). I just feel like my back is to the room and can't see what is going on.

I also see this 8 channel NVR that I could add cameras to in the future if I wanted to. Would a low price unit like this work ok for what I want to do as well? I'm just not sure where I would put this type of unit. I would like it in my office but don't have a nice way to run the network cables from the shed back into the house. I would put a camera or two on the shed but can't see the front of the house like I want from keeping everything I the shed.

Thanks for the help and sorry for the long post..........
Link Posted: 3/25/2016 10:25:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By palmer8996:
All I really want to do is have a single camera so I can look at my driveway. My office is a 12' x 16' shed in the back yard. I have a wireless access point I use for Internet. I've looked around this thread and searched nellys security from everyone discussing them. I found single camera system and think this would work for what I want.......

With this I assume I can look at this camera feed in my office live as it would be connected to the same network. I'm not looking for a high tech system I just want to see what is going on at the front of the house. If the meter reader is here or mail/ups shows up with a package is all I'm looking to watch. Recording is not a big deal. I'm also not looking to put $1000 into a system. I have some networking experience and can make a network cable (I work on robotic milking equipment that is networked together). I just feel like my back is to the room and can't see what is going on.

I also see this 8 channel NVR that I could add cameras to in the future if I wanted to. Would a low price unit like this work ok for what I want to do as well? I'm just not sure where I would put this type of unit. I would like it in my office but don't have a nice way to run the network cables from the shed back into the house. I would put a camera or two on the shed but can't see the front of the house like I want from keeping everything I the shed.

Thanks for the help and sorry for the long post..........
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For something basic like that I'd just get a Foscam C1 wireless camera and be done with it.  Put it in a window facing the driveway and bam,  done.  Bonus points if you hook it up by network cable instead of wireless.  Wireless is never as reliable as a cable.

Problem solved for $60ish bucks.
Link Posted: 3/26/2016 8:06:39 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/26/2016 8:35:45 PM EDT
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Thanks guy's! I really think the h series from nellys is what I'm looking for currently.
Link Posted: 3/28/2016 8:56:25 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/7/2016 11:48:20 PM EDT
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My aunt asked me to help her set up a two camera system.  She is likely to want to go wireless (I know wired is better) and her budget is probably $250 at most.  Night vision capability is a huge plus.  She lives in a small condo so range doesn't have to be great.

Any suggestions?
Link Posted: 4/11/2016 1:30:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DallasLooterShooter:
My aunt asked me to help her set up a two camera system.  She is likely to want to go wireless (I know wired is better) and her budget is probably $250 at most.  Night vision capability is a huge plus.  She lives in a small condo so range doesn't have to be great.

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Tell her to save up til she has $500 to do it right?

Tom
Link Posted: 4/11/2016 7:55:40 AM EDT
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Suggestions for a six camera setup? Budget = ~ $1000. Lets stick with H Series cameras from Nellys. All cameras will be outdoors.
Link Posted: 4/14/2016 7:29:24 PM EDT
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I've recently acquired a Hikvision NVR DS-7108 for a neighbor, and took the liberty of unboxing it and setting it up.

Specs can be read here (PDF)

The important specs are on the second page.  This DVR takes an interesting tack on number/quality of cameras, in that it's limited to a certain bandwidth among the eight cameras.  In this case, it's 50Mbps, or roughly half of the theoretical maximum of 100-megabit ethernet (I know 100M ethernet is more like 80Mbps in the real world, but indulge me for the sake of illustration).

This means you can hook up eight cameras, and the total bandwidth cannot exceed 50Mbps.  This DVR also has the capability to record some ONVIF cameras of various brands (panasonic, vivotek, etc), but not all models.  For instance, I connected a spare Vivotek panoramic FE-8174V camera, but the DVR couldn't handle the resolution, and it killed the recording for all the other cameras.  

Here is the box/unboxing, and initial disassembly.  This is necessary to install the one hard-drive this device supports (so make it a big one).

<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1974_zpszyeekopt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1974_zpszyeekopt.jpg</a>


<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1975_zpspal5unni.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1975_zpspal5unni.jpg</a>




The top comes off with six little screws, revealing the very minimalist innards.  This is a single-board machine.

<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1976_zpshzyssuwm.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1976_zpshzyssuwm.jpg</a>


<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1977_zpshpusf3by.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1977_zpshpusf3by.jpg</a>




There is a power-header for the hard drive on the lower-left corner of that board, and a SATA connector in the bottom middle.  This NVR only supports SATA drives.  They include all cables, and four screws:

<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1978_zpsabnheenb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1978_zpsabnheenb.jpg</a>


<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1984_zpsa2vrfned.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1984_zpsa2vrfned.jpg</a>


<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1979_zpsog4qs9fs.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1979_zpsog4qs9fs.jpg</a>




Turning it on causes the initial start-up wizard to run, which will help you set a password, and initialize your hard drive.  It will also help set network parameters, and discover any Hikvision cameras on the network.

<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1983_zpsqens3gzi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1983_zpsqens3gzi.jpg</a>


<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1980_zpsfm0mudjr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1980_zpsfm0mudjr.jpg</a>



I plugged these two cameras directly into the back of the NVR.  It includes a built-in PoE capability, so the cameras powered right up, and were detected in the add-cameras wizard:

<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1991_zpsbe9elg74.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1991_zpsbe9elg74.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/TGrayman/media/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1990a_zpsod2wfipw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/TGrayman/Hikvision%207108%20NVR/DSCN1990a_zpsod2wfipw.jpg</a>


Note the last picture.  It shows you how much remaining bandwidth you have to play with.  Plugging in two 1080p Hikvision mini-domes took 9Mbps of the 50Mbps bandwidth capability.  This leads me to believe you could actually get eight of those cameras on this device.

I tried the remote web client, and it does seem to work.  They even have a plug-in for Mac/Safari browsers, which is how I viewed the remote feeds on my Macbook.  Chrome had a bit of trouble, but Firebox, Opera, and IE all seemed to get the streams just fine, but occasionally the live view would fail for no particular reason.

I strongly doubt this device would be able to record eight 1080p streams, AND simultaneously serve them full-time to a remote desktop client.  I simply don't think it has
the processing power, or the bandwidth.  It should record, but I haven't tested that yet.  I have two cameras that I will leave attached for several days, and report back the recorded results.  



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was there ever an update on this?
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Link Posted: 4/19/2016 7:24:57 PM EDT
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Did I never follow-up on this?  Sorry... my bad.  Too many irons in the fire.  

I never had eight IP cams to truly push it to its limits.

That NVR ended up going to the neighbor, who installed it at his place in a wall-mounted wiring can.   He has five cameras recording on it right now (all at 1080p), and is VERY happy with it.  He accesses it with his cell phone remotely, or with his desktop at home, and it's all working just fine.  

I've acquired another Hikvision NVR (different model:  DS-7608NI-E2/8P) for another neighbor, and will try to update when I have started testing that one.
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Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

was there ever an update on this?


Did I never follow-up on this?  Sorry... my bad.  Too many irons in the fire.  

I never had eight IP cams to truly push it to its limits.

That NVR ended up going to the neighbor, who installed it at his place in a wall-mounted wiring can.   He has five cameras recording on it right now (all at 1080p), and is VERY happy with it.  He accesses it with his cell phone remotely, or with his desktop at home, and it's all working just fine.  

I've acquired another Hikvision NVR (different model:  DS-7608NI-E2/8P) for another neighbor, and will try to update when I have started testing that one.


No worries... I think you did a followup shortly after the original post, but I didn't look through 25+ pages for a subsequent follow up.

I'll probably only have 5 cams in my system, so it sounds like it will be a good option.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 7:58:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/19/2016 10:52:13 PM EDT
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What are the thoughts on continuous recording vs using Blue Iris motion sensing to trigger recordings?



On another note, I don't know if this has been mentioned but I used the 12VDC from my landscape transformer in the backyard to power an IR Illuminator.  It was a quick and dirty way to get power to the IR and pretty well hidden.  As a bonus the transformer uses a photocell to turn itself off/on.  Just thought it might be a useful tip for anyone looking to install IR's.  

I used this IR illuminator from Amazon Link.  

Link Posted: 4/19/2016 11:00:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
What are the thoughts on continuous recording vs using Blue Iris motion sensing to trigger recordings?



On another note, I don't know if this has been mentioned but I used the 12VDC from my landscape transformer in the backyard to power an IR Illuminator.  It was a quick and dirty way to get power to the IR and pretty well hidden.  As a bonus the transformer uses a photocell to turn itself off/on.  Just thought it might be a useful tip for anyone looking to install IR's.  

I used this IR illuminator from Amazon Link.  

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I do motion recording with sensitivity set very high (extremely sensitive to even slight motion).  If I need to review my daily footage, I don't want to have to sift through hours of non-events to get to the good stuff.  That, and my hard drive holds video MUCH longer than if I did continuous.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 11:05:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
What are the thoughts on continuous recording vs using Blue Iris motion sensing to trigger recordings?



On another note, I don't know if this has been mentioned but I used the 12VDC from my landscape transformer in the backyard to power an IR Illuminator.  It was a quick and dirty way to get power to the IR and pretty well hidden.  As a bonus the transformer uses a photocell to turn itself off/on.  Just thought it might be a useful tip for anyone looking to install IR's.  

I used this IR illuminator from Amazon Link.  

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FWIW I've had very bad experience with that exact illuminiator. I bought one which lasted about 60 days before I started to lose LEDs in small groups and by 4 months it was down to a half dozen LEDs remaining. I bought two more because the price was right and I figured I just got a bad one but they failed in the same manner in approximately the same time frame. It appears that the board is not designed to sink heat off the diodes very well so device just burns itself up after time.

Anyway YMMV and I hope you got good ones just wanted to throw that warning out.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 11:29:43 PM EDT
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FWIW I've had very bad experience with that exact illuminiator. I bought one which lasted about 60 days before I started to lose LEDs in small groups and by 4 months it was down to a half dozen LEDs remaining. I bought two more because the price was right and I figured I just got a bad one but they failed in the same manner in approximately the same time frame. It appears that the board is not designed to sink heat off the diodes very well so device just burns itself up after time.

Anyway YMMV and I hope you got good ones just wanted to throw that warning out.
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
What are the thoughts on continuous recording vs using Blue Iris motion sensing to trigger recordings?



On another note, I don't know if this has been mentioned but I used the 12VDC from my landscape transformer in the backyard to power an IR Illuminator.  It was a quick and dirty way to get power to the IR and pretty well hidden.  As a bonus the transformer uses a photocell to turn itself off/on.  Just thought it might be a useful tip for anyone looking to install IR's.  

I used this IR illuminator from Amazon Link.  



FWIW I've had very bad experience with that exact illuminiator. I bought one which lasted about 60 days before I started to lose LEDs in small groups and by 4 months it was down to a half dozen LEDs remaining. I bought two more because the price was right and I figured I just got a bad one but they failed in the same manner in approximately the same time frame. It appears that the board is not designed to sink heat off the diodes very well so device just burns itself up after time.

Anyway YMMV and I hope you got good ones just wanted to throw that warning out.



Thanks for the info.  That IR was bought mainly  to trial run using the landscape lighting transformer to power IR's before spending more money on something better.  I also found these adapters link  For $12 it works OK for now.  It's 50/50 whether the squirrels chew the wire up before it goes bad.    

Strangely, 2 Cameras can see the IR, one sees it perfect the other picks up a slight flicker.  

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 2:16:35 PM EDT
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It only supports resolution up to 2.1MP (1080p).

The newer NVR I just mentioned above supports up to 5MP resolution... So potentially some upgrade room there.
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was there ever an update on this?


Did I never follow-up on this?  Sorry... my bad.  Too many irons in the fire.  

I never had eight IP cams to truly push it to its limits.

That NVR ended up going to the neighbor, who installed it at his place in a wall-mounted wiring can.   He has five cameras recording on it right now (all at 1080p), and is VERY happy with it.  He accesses it with his cell phone remotely, or with his desktop at home, and it's all working just fine.  

I've acquired another Hikvision NVR (different model:  DS-7608NI-E2/8P) for another neighbor, and will try to update when I have started testing that one.


No worries... I think you did a followup shortly after the original post, but I didn't look through 25+ pages for a subsequent follow up.

I'll probably only have 5 cams in my system, so it sounds like it will be a good option.


It only supports resolution up to 2.1MP (1080p).

The newer NVR I just mentioned above supports up to 5MP resolution... So potentially some upgrade room there.


that 5mp NVR seems like it might be worth the incremental $$$
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:58:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/2/2016 4:51:31 PM EDT
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This thread is beyond overwhelming in technical data. Is it possible to get a package system

- 6 cameras (I could make 4 cameras work)
- I need 1 to include audio in the backyard to capture date/time of neighbors barking dogs
- High res cameras
- MP4 (or another common format) recording
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 6:22:43 PM EDT
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This thread is beyond overwhelming in technical data. Is it possible to get a package system

- 6 cameras (I could make 4 cameras work)
- I need 1 to include audio in the backyard to capture date/time of neighbors barking dogs
- High res cameras
- MP4 (or another common format) recording
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Seems like Nelly's online is a good resource for many here.  Start by looking at the H Series recorders and cameras.  Lots of good feedback here for that brand.
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 7:23:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HBIII:
This thread is beyond overwhelming in technical data. Is it possible to get a package system

- 6 cameras (I could make 4 cameras work)
- I need 1 to include audio in the backyard to capture date/time of neighbors barking dogs
- High res cameras
- MP4 (or another common format) recording
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Check your local laws with regard to audio recording.  As funny as it sounds there are still old wiretapping laws that make it illegal to record someone if at least one person in the audio is not aware of the recording. I know that's the law here in Nebraska.  It would suck to rub a recording in the face of a D-bag neighbor only to have them sue you.
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 9:57:31 AM EDT
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Check your local laws with regard to audio recording.  As funny as it sounds there are still old wiretapping laws that make it illegal to record someone if at least one person in the audio is not aware of the recording. I know that's the law here in Nebraska.  It would suck to rub a recording in the face of a D-bag neighbor only to have them sue you.
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Originally Posted By HBIII:
This thread is beyond overwhelming in technical data. Is it possible to get a package system

- 6 cameras (I could make 4 cameras work)
- I need 1 to include audio in the backyard to capture date/time of neighbors barking dogs
- High res cameras
- MP4 (or another common format) recording


Check your local laws with regard to audio recording.  As funny as it sounds there are still old wiretapping laws that make it illegal to record someone if at least one person in the audio is not aware of the recording. I know that's the law here in Nebraska.  It would suck to rub a recording in the face of a D-bag neighbor only to have them sue you.


See here:
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/arizona-recording-law
Link Posted: 5/6/2016 7:30:34 AM EDT
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I am looking for a small 4 camera system for my hunting camp.  

I would like to find something that connects to a "trac" phone or similiar that will alert me when motion detection is triggered.   Maybe even sent a picture of what triggered it.

Any suggestions?    Would greatly prefer a package that is easy to install.

Thanks

Link Posted: 5/7/2016 10:08:36 AM EDT
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Does anyone have any good recommendations for 16 +/- cameras in a large, open warehouse? Other than poles, it's pretty much open space. 480' long x 300' wide.



I'm wanting 2 cameras on every external corner, and 1 in the middle of the rear of the building. The other 7 or so will be located throughout the inside of the warehouse, with 2 on the opposite end of where the DVR/NVR/etc. will be stored, and 5 being within 100' of it.




I'm hoping that I can do everything wireless with access points, bridges, etc., as running that much wire is pretty much out of the question. If wire has to be/is highly recommended to be ran over wireless, which from what I have read it is, I can do it, but would really like to avoid that option if at all possible. The cameras don't have to have the highest quality picture, but not the worst either.




I know this won't be cheap, but if I could get a few different opinions on options from least expensive to most expensive, I would really appreciate it.






Link Posted: 5/7/2016 2:26:53 PM EDT
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Hoping someone can assist with this situation.

Six H Series Cameras
H Series 7608 NVR

I am attempting to view the cameras remotely through IPCamViewer but when I input the IP address of the NVR - I am only able to see the camera plugged into Port 1. Any idea on how to view the other five? So far the Hikvision iPad app has provided better results.

Thanks!
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Does anyone have any good recommendations for 16 +/- cameras in a large, open warehouse? Other than poles, it's pretty much open space. 480' long x 300' wide.

I'm wanting 2 cameras on every external corner, and 1 in the middle of the rear of the building. The other 7 or so will be located throughout the inside of the warehouse, with 2 on the opposite end of where the DVR/NVR/etc. will be stored, and 5 being within 100' of it.


I'm hoping that I can do everything wireless with access points, bridges, etc., as running that much wire is pretty much out of the question. If wire has to be/is highly recommended to be ran over wireless, which from what I have read it is, I can do it, but would really like to avoid that option if at all possible. The cameras don't have to have the highest quality picture, but not the worst either.


I know this won't be cheap, but if I could get a few different opinions on options from least expensive to most expensive, I would really appreciate it.

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The distance limitations of cat5/6 is about 300 feet but if you all you're doing is a warehouse stringing it and adding a remote switch someplace should be fairly easy.  

You'll still need power for the cameras so you might as well string the cat 5/6 and use POE.  

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The distance limitations of cat5/6 is about 300 feet but if you all you're doing is a warehouse stringing it and adding a remote switch someplace should be fairly easy.  



You'll still need power for the cameras so you might as well string the cat 5/6 and use POE.  



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Originally Posted By LFLS84:

Does anyone have any good recommendations for 16 +/- cameras in a large, open warehouse? Other than poles, it's pretty much open space. 480' long x 300' wide.



I'm wanting 2 cameras on every external corner, and 1 in the middle of the rear of the building. The other 7 or so will be located throughout the inside of the warehouse, with 2 on the opposite end of where the DVR/NVR/etc. will be stored, and 5 being within 100' of it.





I'm hoping that I can do everything wireless with access points, bridges, etc., as running that much wire is pretty much out of the question. If wire has to be/is highly recommended to be ran over wireless, which from what I have read it is, I can do it, but would really like to avoid that option if at all possible. The cameras don't have to have the highest quality picture, but not the worst either.





I know this won't be cheap, but if I could get a few different opinions on options from least expensive to most expensive, I would really appreciate it.









The distance limitations of cat5/6 is about 300 feet but if you all you're doing is a warehouse stringing it and adding a remote switch someplace should be fairly easy.  



You'll still need power for the cameras so you might as well string the cat 5/6 and use POE.  







 
Wouldn't the cost of running that much cat 5/6 be much higher than using wireless cameras with power outlets nearby and DC plug extensions?
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:


You're going to run out of bandwidth for 16 cameras on wifi.



And it would be ridiculously easy to disable.



Never use wifi if running cable is at all feasible...  And for a warehouse with accessible rafters, you have no excuse not to pull cable.
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I check up on this thread every now and then, and CTRL + F'd the first page the other day when I made the original post.




From what I gathered by finding "IP" and "Wireless" on the first page, and reading through yours and others posts on the pages that were hot linked with those key words, that's pretty much the answer I expected in regards to the bandwidth(one post of yours mentioned the bandwidth 3 cameras consumed, I believe with VGA settings at that, and how you'd be lucky to add a forth), but I still wanted to make absolutely sure that there wasn't anything I was missing in terms of large building installs.




I was hoping it would be as simple as short power cord runs to junction boxes and ubiquiti access points/repeaters/bridges/etc. taking place of 1000's of feet of cat wire.
Link Posted: 5/9/2016 1:02:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LFLS84:

  I check up on this thread every now and then, and CTRL + F'd the first page the other day when I made the original post.


From what I gathered by finding "IP" and "Wireless" on the first page, and reading through yours and others posts on the pages that were hot linked with those key words, that's pretty much the answer I expected in regards to the bandwidth(one post of yours mentioned the bandwidth 3 cameras consumed, I believe with VGA settings at that, and how you'd be lucky to add a forth), but I still wanted to make absolutely sure that there wasn't anything I was missing in terms of large building installs.


I was hoping it would be as simple as short power cord runs to junction boxes and ubiquiti access points/repeaters/bridges/etc. taking place of 1000's of feet of cat wire.
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Originally Posted By LFLS84:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
You're going to run out of bandwidth for 16 cameras on wifi.

And it would be ridiculously easy to disable.

Never use wifi if running cable is at all feasible...  And for a warehouse with accessible rafters, you have no excuse not to pull cable.

  I check up on this thread every now and then, and CTRL + F'd the first page the other day when I made the original post.


From what I gathered by finding "IP" and "Wireless" on the first page, and reading through yours and others posts on the pages that were hot linked with those key words, that's pretty much the answer I expected in regards to the bandwidth(one post of yours mentioned the bandwidth 3 cameras consumed, I believe with VGA settings at that, and how you'd be lucky to add a forth), but I still wanted to make absolutely sure that there wasn't anything I was missing in terms of large building installs.


I was hoping it would be as simple as short power cord runs to junction boxes and ubiquiti access points/repeaters/bridges/etc. taking place of 1000's of feet of cat wire.




Don't overlook running multiple Ubiquities on widely spaced channels...

Also, you have 2 bands, 2.4 and 5.8 ghz [with their many respective channels]  to select from...

Very easy...


You can also limit frame rate [on many cams] to significantly  reduce BW


If you are concerned abt jamming, then wires...

Link Posted: 5/9/2016 11:13:50 PM EDT
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To TheGrayMan and other contributors.  I would like to express my gratitude for the share of information.

I have been lurking on this post for a while and decided to try the waters.  I bought a cheap 1mp IP camera off amazon for $35.  Figured $35 is cheap tuition to answer the little questions I had; POE injectors, camera software, NVR, field of view etc. the hands on type things that doing it would only answer.  Big plus, I already have all the networking and appliance hardware so no big loss if it went sideways.  Which I thought was going to happen after I dropped the camera 6’ onto concrete while trying to mount it.  Still works.

All is up and running and I’m very pleased with the inexpensive outcome (camera and demo software) and the ‘a-ha’ moment of ‘so this is what hey were explaining’.   Outstanding when a little DIY project comes together.  Learn on the cheap and apply that knowledge to the higher end stuff.

Last quick question, how do you run multiple network cables from point A to B with no access without a drywall saw and a whole lot of cursing?

Thank you all again!
Link Posted: 5/9/2016 11:25:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rev_FNG:
To TheGrayMan and other contributors.  I would like to express my gratitude for the share of information.

I have been lurking on this post for a while and decided to try the waters.  I bought a cheap 1mp IP camera off amazon for $35.  Figured $35 is cheap tuition to answer the little questions I had; POE injectors, camera software, NVR, field of view etc. the hands on type things that doing it would only answer.  Big plus, I already have all the networking and appliance hardware so no big loss if it went sideways.  Which I thought was going to happen after I dropped the camera 6’ onto concrete while trying to mount it.  Still works.

All is up and running and I’m very pleased with the inexpensive outcome (camera and demo software) and the ‘a-ha’ moment of ‘so this is what hey were explaining’.   Outstanding when a little DIY project comes together.  Learn on the cheap and apply that knowledge to the higher end stuff.

Last quick question, how do you run multiple network cables from point A to B with no access without a drywall saw and a whole lot of cursing?

Thank you all again!
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Sometimes I'll use a hole saw to create an opening thru 2 sides of a drywall -wall  

A long [12"] 1/4" drill bit ensures the holes are coaxial.

Then put a 1" or so PVC sleeve thru the wall and pass the wire thru it.

If needed, I'll put a hose clamp on each end to retain the PVC pipe.

Also, if pests are an issue, I'll stuff a piece of stainless pot scrubber in the hole.



Link Posted: 5/9/2016 11:46:15 PM EDT
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Sometimes I'll use a hole saw to create an opening thru 2 sides of a drywall -wall  

A long [12"] 1/4" drill bit ensures the holes are coaxial.

Then put a 1" or so PVC sleeve thru the wall and pass the wire thru it.

If needed, I'll put a hose clamp on each end to retain the PVC pipe.

Also, if pests are an issue, I'll stuff a piece of stainless pot scrubber in the hole.

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Sometimes I'll use a hole saw to create an opening thru 2 sides of a drywall -wall  

A long [12"] 1/4" drill bit ensures the holes are coaxial.

Then put a 1" or so PVC sleeve thru the wall and pass the wire thru it.

If needed, I'll put a hose clamp on each end to retain the PVC pipe.

Also, if pests are an issue, I'll stuff a piece of stainless pot scrubber in the hole.



Thanks for the info and kind reply.  It was more of a 'tongue in cheek' comment than anything, kind of that magic pill that gets the job done with no hassle.  Brick face over existing siding, an add on porch and the 'I should have done this' before I refinished these rooms.  Add in a 'well the soffit' is stuck in the brick'

Time, money, beer and planning is all the job takes.  Thanks again!
Link Posted: 5/10/2016 5:01:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoshB7:
Hoping someone can assist with this situation.

Six H Series Cameras
H Series 7608 NVR

I am attempting to view the cameras remotely through IPCamViewer but when I input the IP address of the NVR - I am only able to see the camera plugged into Port 1. Any idea on how to view the other five? So far the Hikvision iPad app has provided better results.

Thanks!
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If going through the NVR then look for how the cams are identified. Mine ( diferent brand) uses channels to individually address the cameras, not ports.
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Don't overlook running multiple Ubiquities on widely spaced channels...



Also, you have 2 bands, 2.4 and 5.8 ghz [with their many respective channels]  to select from...



Very easy...





You can also limit frame rate [on many cams] to significantly  reduce BW





If you are concerned abt jamming, then wires...



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Originally Posted By EXPY37:



Originally Posted By LFLS84:


Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:

You're going to run out of bandwidth for 16 cameras on wifi.



And it would be ridiculously easy to disable.



Never use wifi if running cable is at all feasible...  And for a warehouse with accessible rafters, you have no excuse not to pull cable.


  I check up on this thread every now and then, and CTRL + F'd the first page the other day when I made the original post.





From what I gathered by finding "IP" and "Wireless" on the first page, and reading through yours and others posts on the pages that were hot linked with those key words, that's pretty much the answer I expected in regards to the bandwidth(one post of yours mentioned the bandwidth 3 cameras consumed, I believe with VGA settings at that, and how you'd be lucky to add a forth), but I still wanted to make absolutely sure that there wasn't anything I was missing in terms of large building installs.





I was hoping it would be as simple as short power cord runs to junction boxes and ubiquiti access points/repeaters/bridges/etc. taking place of 1000's of feet of cat wire.


Don't overlook running multiple Ubiquities on widely spaced channels...



Also, you have 2 bands, 2.4 and 5.8 ghz [with their many respective channels]  to select from...



Very easy...





You can also limit frame rate [on many cams] to significantly  reduce BW





If you are concerned abt jamming, then wires...







 
Can you give me an example of a system using 16 cameras running multiple Ubiquities in a large warehouse?
Link Posted: 5/10/2016 2:32:00 PM EDT
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  Can you give me an example of a system using 16 cameras running multiple Ubiquities in a large warehouse?
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By LFLS84:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
You're going to run out of bandwidth for 16 cameras on wifi.

And it would be ridiculously easy to disable.

Never use wifi if running cable is at all feasible...  And for a warehouse with accessible rafters, you have no excuse not to pull cable.

  I check up on this thread every now and then, and CTRL + F'd the first page the other day when I made the original post.


From what I gathered by finding "IP" and "Wireless" on the first page, and reading through yours and others posts on the pages that were hot linked with those key words, that's pretty much the answer I expected in regards to the bandwidth(one post of yours mentioned the bandwidth 3 cameras consumed, I believe with VGA settings at that, and how you'd be lucky to add a forth), but I still wanted to make absolutely sure that there wasn't anything I was missing in terms of large building installs.


I was hoping it would be as simple as short power cord runs to junction boxes and ubiquiti access points/repeaters/bridges/etc. taking place of 1000's of feet of cat wire.




Don't overlook running multiple Ubiquities on widely spaced channels...

Also, you have 2 bands, 2.4 and 5.8 ghz [with their many respective channels]  to select from...

Very easy...


You can also limit frame rate [on many cams] to significantly  reduce BW


If you are concerned abt jamming, then wires...


  Can you give me an example of a system using 16 cameras running multiple Ubiquities in a large warehouse?



Can you explain what you mean by 'example'

I.e., an actual example or a theoretical one?

Are the walls block or metal?



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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:


With that DVR , you should be able to put your cameras on the LAN, rather than on the POE switch built into the NVR.  If you put them on the built-in switch, they end up on their own subnet, which you cannot reach from the rest of the LAN without going through the DVR.

ETA:  this requires you to power the camera with either 12VDC, or with a separate POE switch.  PoE cameras attached directly to the DVR end up on their own subnet, which isn't accessible from the LAN.  Such cameras are only accessible through the DVR interface itself.
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By JoshB7:
Hoping someone can assist with this situation.

Six H Series Cameras
H Series 7608 NVR

I am attempting to view the cameras remotely through IPCamViewer but when I input the IP address of the NVR - I am only able to see the camera plugged into Port 1. Any idea on how to view the other five? So far the Hikvision iPad app has provided better results.

Thanks!


With that DVR , you should be able to put your cameras on the LAN, rather than on the POE switch built into the NVR.  If you put them on the built-in switch, they end up on their own subnet, which you cannot reach from the rest of the LAN without going through the DVR.

ETA:  this requires you to power the camera with either 12VDC, or with a separate POE switch.  PoE cameras attached directly to the DVR end up on their own subnet, which isn't accessible from the LAN.  Such cameras are only accessible through the DVR interface itself.


You might try enabling the "virtual host" option and forwarding those ports. I've got into individual cameras to change settings at work through my 7716 like that.
Link Posted: 5/10/2016 5:05:27 PM EDT
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I have some Hikvision domes to mount to my exterior.

They sell a recessed dome mount that attaches to ceilings with toggle bolts.  

Ive seen a few videos online showing guys use this mount to attache it to the aluminum soffit and nothing else.

Is that sturdy enough to hold the camera without a ton of movement?

Or do I have to take the soffit out and put a wood brace behind it?
Link Posted: 5/10/2016 9:34:39 PM EDT
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Can you explain what you mean by 'example'



I.e., an actual example or a theoretical one?



Are the walls block or metal?
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Originally Posted By LFLS84:


Originally Posted By EXPY37:


Originally Posted By LFLS84:


Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:

You're going to run out of bandwidth for 16 cameras on wifi.



And it would be ridiculously easy to disable.



Never use wifi if running cable is at all feasible...  And for a warehouse with accessible rafters, you have no excuse not to pull cable.


  I check up on this thread every now and then, and CTRL + F'd the first page the other day when I made the original post.





From what I gathered by finding "IP" and "Wireless" on the first page, and reading through yours and others posts on the pages that were hot linked with those key words, that's pretty much the answer I expected in regards to the bandwidth(one post of yours mentioned the bandwidth 3 cameras consumed, I believe with VGA settings at that, and how you'd be lucky to add a forth), but I still wanted to make absolutely sure that there wasn't anything I was missing in terms of large building installs.





I was hoping it would be as simple as short power cord runs to junction boxes and ubiquiti access points/repeaters/bridges/etc. taking place of 1000's of feet of cat wire.


Don't overlook running multiple Ubiquities on widely spaced channels...



Also, you have 2 bands, 2.4 and 5.8 ghz [with their many respective channels]  to select from...



Very easy...





You can also limit frame rate [on many cams] to significantly  reduce BW





If you are concerned abt jamming, then wires...





  Can you give me an example of a system using 16 cameras running multiple Ubiquities in a large warehouse?







Can you explain what you mean by 'example'



I.e., an actual example or a theoretical one?



Are the walls block or metal?
Either/or. Just an example of the components needed in that kind of system. The walls are 3 ft. high block at the base, metal to the roof after that. The roof is metal also.

 
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 3:20:27 AM EDT
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Some thoughts...

Ubiquity has a great user interface with tons of features including a built in spectrum analyzer.

The Bullet radio in 2.4 and 5.8 ghz with maybe 10 to 20 channels each depending on occupied bandwidth selected in the radio menu.

Cost, on ebay, maybe $50 if you find used ones. New, maybe $80

Since your building is mostly metal, there's going to be a lot of RF reflections off the walls, so inexpensive grid ~15 or 20 dB antennas [$20 each? ] will help with that. If you run 2 bridges on one band, then set the respective antennas for opposite polarizations. Use the lowest power setting. We go ~20 miles with the Rocket M2 and M5's [similar to the Bullets, and the Bullets will do the same thing] with no issue,

Ubiquities come with a power inserter and power wall wart.

You can likely screw the radio onto the N connector of the antenna. So no coax needed..

Set one of the radios to 'access point' and bridge mode, and the associated radios to station.  One access point can serve more than one station.

Encryption is built in, so turn it on.

All the access points can be connected to one network switch. This is where the bandwidth overload that G-M talks about will begin.

We run Axis cams over many miles and last week, added a second bridge [instead of using the primary access point to serve 2 radios] at the barn to a warehouse bldg. and that uses a fiber link from the container that I wrote abt in the bear thread. The speed increased from ~9 Mbps to ~14 Mbps. You will do much better over a <200 foot distance, maybe 35 Mbps unless reflections cause issues and slow things down..

We've got 4 Ubiquities on 5.8 and a backup link of two Ubiquities on 2.4, and about 11 or more cameras at different locations on the LAN.

We don't use them all at one time although I limit frame rate in the camera menu to maybe 2 frames per second instead of typically 30 frames per second. I don't know how many I can run at one time, never tried...


Finally, use wires as much as you can and save the radios for long hauls inside the bldg. It's likely not all the cams have to go wireless.

Wires rule.  

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Originally Posted By stretch415:
I have some Hikvision domes to mount to my exterior.

They sell a recessed dome mount that attaches to ceilings with toggle bolts.  

Ive seen a few videos online showing guys use this mount to attache it to the aluminum soffit and nothing else.

Is that sturdy enough to hold the camera without a ton of movement?

Or do I have to take the soffit out and put a wood brace behind it?
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I used 2x4 bracing above the soffit.  There's some weight there so I wouldn't just screw it to the soffit.
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