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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:27:18 AM EDT
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Pretty easy to catch.
A baited hook (worms, shrimp or liver) sitting on the bottom for long enough will catch them. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:08:44 AM EDT
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Perch, big hooks and heavy line.
Look for eddys near a fast running water source, big cats like to lay and let food come to them. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:14:55 AM EDT
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Caught this guy on shad
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:24:53 PM EDT
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What pound line minimum should i be looking at?
Currently have 8# braided on everything. Edit: we will be shore fishing |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:27:35 PM EDT
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Caught this guy on shad http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/forester1/Fish/IMG_1445_zps4f4e08ad.jpg 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:29:54 PM EDT
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What pound line minimum should i be looking at? Currently have 8# braided on everything. Depends on how big a Catfish you are fishing for. I would personally go at least 16# given that where there are small catfish, there can also be big cats. Also, since you are likely going to be bottom fishing, there are rocks, trees, old cars, dead bodies, and other things that you can get snagged on or that could put a nick in your line. Heavier line is more forgiving to those things. You also need to remember that a catfish may swallow your bait before you realize you have him hooked, and they do have fairly abrasive "teeth" that can quickly fray and break line. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:35:25 PM EDT
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Pretty easy to catch. A baited hook (worms, shrimp or liver) sitting on the bottom for long enough will catch them. You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? TRG |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:42:33 PM EDT
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What pound line minimum should i be looking at? Currently have 8# braided on everything. Edit: we will be shore fishing I've been an avid channel catfisherman for 20 years. I prefer a lightweight, open face, spinner. 20Lb test 8lb weight, braid. Braids hold up better against the wear of the teeth and the rocks they inhabit. I use a small/medium treble hook. I like a dip bait. Wal-Mart sells a decent dip bait. Ask your locals if they are using any local homemade brews. I prefer a pencil cork. Some people use a quill, but a small pencil cork is best. You will find it best to start with the bait suspended 18-24" below cork, use no weight. The dip bait is enough to pull it down to the correct level. The channels tend to cruise within 2-20' of the shore looking for shad. They won't be deep this time of year. If you get no bites, move the cork down in 6" intervals. They will be all about the same depth. Once one hits, the rest will come to dinner. The pencil cork offer almost ZERO resistance to the channels. It will simply pop up the water in a flash. Keep the line from getting too much slack, because it is best to set the hook as the cork is going under. TRG |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:35:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? TRG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty easy to catch. A baited hook (worms, shrimp or liver) sitting on the bottom for long enough will catch them. You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? TRG |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:43:35 PM EDT
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I've caught them tight-lining real close to the bottom, stump lines, jugs, box traps, hoop traps, trot lines, limb lines. What exactly are you calling a "pencil cork". I googled it and came up with nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty easy to catch. A baited hook (worms, shrimp or liver) sitting on the bottom for long enough will catch them. You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? TRG pretty sure this: 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 6:45:06 PM EDT
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Pretty easy to catch. A baited hook (worms, shrimp or liver) sitting on the bottom for long enough will catch them. You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? TRG pretty sure this: http://www.barlowstackle.com/Assets/ProductImages/Misc/Bobbers/990032.jpg Yes, that. Some call them 'quill' corks as well. Some actually do use bird feathers to make quills, but, imho, it's not necessary. The commercial ones work fine. TRG |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 6:54:37 PM EDT
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I've caught them tight-lining real close to the bottom, stump lines, jugs, box traps, hoop traps, trot lines, limb lines. What exactly are you calling a "pencil cork". I googled it and came up with nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty easy to catch. A baited hook (worms, shrimp or liver) sitting on the bottom for long enough will catch them. You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? TRG I prefer the pencil cork to tightlining. Channels are predators, not bottom feeders. I always seemed to get snagged when trying to find them in deep water.  We caught them deep, but, in mid-summer in East Texas, shorelines were where they were at. We went to the bridges and deep pilings when the sun got to be too much.
We caught them around bridge pilings in deep water, submerged tank dams, broken concrete slabs. Any place that draws baitfish, you'll find them prowling. Best way to find baitfish (to OP) is to look for places that offer food or shelter for them. Sunny rocks with moss in shallow waters .. perfect. Submerged objects (as posted by others) also is a great place to look. since you will be shore fishing, look for semi submerged trees, snags, and sloped rocky areas. All will be good locations to catch. One thing to note, channels, although predators, like the commercial dip baits. Easy to apply and almost nothing else eats that shit. Not perch, crappie, bass, turtles, etc. It's draws (almost) exclusively, channel cats. Shrimp, shad, worms .. all draw other fish to your that you probably are not interested in catching. Don't be afraid to fish in close. We used to catch 2-4lb channels in water that I swear were no more than 6" deep with rolling waves against rocks. Literally, 6" deep and within a foot of the shore with waves rolling ... BAM! Mid July. TRG |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:13:52 PM EDT
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Pretty easy to catch. A baited hook (worms, shrimp or liver) sitting on the bottom for long enough will catch them. You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? TRG I've caught plenty of channel cats fishing on the bottom. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:22:00 PM EDT
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2-5 lb cats are best for eating. A large shad or 6-8 in ch perch (sunfish, bluegill,) on a large hook tight lined with a heavy weight is how we always caught them. Allow the bait some swimming line, 18-24 inches. TRG is right about where to look for them but like I said they like to lay in eddys (behind bridge piers, logs, points, etc) and wait for prey to swim into range. Amazing just about any bait will work on catfish in general, everything from live bait to ivory soap bars cut into 1 inch cubes. Gold fish were always good to us on the Sabine River, the cats at mill creek bridge near sabstapol liked perch and large shiners cast into the channel.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:31:39 PM EDT
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Pretty easy to catch. A baited hook (worms, shrimp or liver) sitting on the bottom for long enough will catch them. You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? TRG I've caught plenty of channel cats fishing on the bottom. Sure. TRG |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:33:06 PM EDT
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2-5 lb cats are best for eating. A large shad or 6-8 in ch perch (sunfish, bluegill,) on a large hook tight lined with a heavy weight is how we always caught them. Allow the bait some swimming line, 18-24 inches. TRG is right about where to look for them but like I said they like to lay in eddys (behind bridge piers, logs, points, etc) and wait for prey to swim into range. Amazing just about any bait will work on catfish in general, everything from live bait to ivory soap bars cut into 1 inch cubes. Gold fish were always good to us on the Sabine River, the cats at mill creek bridge near sabstapol liked perch and large shiners cast into the channel. Correct, but, specifically 'channel' cats require specific bait, depths and techniques. TRG |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:36:13 PM EDT
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I have always had the best luck with good old night crawlers on the bottom for channel cats...get some blue cats from time to time as well.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:04:48 PM EDT
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Correct, but, specifically 'channel' cats require specific bait, depths and techniques. TRG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2-5 lb cats are best for eating. A large shad or 6-8 in ch perch (sunfish, bluegill,) on a large hook tight lined with a heavy weight is how we always caught them. Allow the bait some swimming line, 18-24 inches. TRG is right about where to look for them but like I said they like to lay in eddys (behind bridge piers, logs, points, etc) and wait for prey to swim into range. Amazing just about any bait will work on catfish in general, everything from live bait to ivory soap bars cut into 1 inch cubes. Gold fish were always good to us on the Sabine River, the cats at mill creek bridge near sabstapol liked perch and large shiners cast into the channel. Correct, but, specifically 'channel' cats require specific bait, depths and techniques. TRG Flat heads (oppaloosa) and blues (high fin blue) eat only live bait, the channel will eat anything. Edit semi-commercial fished for cats on and off for a couple dozen years. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 12:32:07 AM EDT
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Flat heads (oppaloosa) and blues (high fin blue) eat only live bait, the channel will eat anything. Edit semi-commercial fished for cats on and off for a couple dozen years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2-5 lb cats are best for eating. A large shad or 6-8 in ch perch (sunfish, bluegill,) on a large hook tight lined with a heavy weight is how we always caught them. Allow the bait some swimming line, 18-24 inches. TRG is right about where to look for them but like I said they like to lay in eddys (behind bridge piers, logs, points, etc) and wait for prey to swim into range. Amazing just about any bait will work on catfish in general, everything from live bait to ivory soap bars cut into 1 inch cubes. Gold fish were always good to us on the Sabine River, the cats at mill creek bridge near sabstapol liked perch and large shiners cast into the channel. Correct, but, specifically 'channel' cats require specific bait, depths and techniques. TRG Flat heads (oppaloosa) and blues (high fin blue) eat only live bait, the channel will eat anything. Edit semi-commercial fished for cats on and off for a couple dozen years. Correct. EDIT: Channels will eat anything ... but.. there are some things that only channels will eat (99% of the time .. mostly). They are predatory omnivores. You can target your bait to them. We never fished for blues. We didn't want them. In a decade of fishing for channels, I only caught two blues. That was the reason we avoided live bait or cut bait (shrimp, shad, small perch). We wanted 1-4lb channels, nothing else. OP... Chicken blood is another 'channel only' bait, but, it takes some skill to cast properly and doesn't hold a hook as well as dip baits. TRG |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 6:02:22 PM EDT
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If targeting channels I like to use beef liver instead of chicken liver as it stays on hook much better and gives them a little different bait than 90% of the locals use in heavily fished waters. When rigging for them try a few different sets as in a typical "fishfinder" rig with a slip sinker and a few rods rigged with the bait held off the bottom (by float or a static weight tightlined to the bottom with your hook tied above weight off a leader). You will have to experiment with leader lengths based on current conditions and depths. If you are fishing from a boat or by shore techniques can differ.
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Posted: 7/19/2015 6:14:14 PM EDT
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Biggest one I ever seen caught was a blue on Lake Erie while fishing for Walleye. IIRC it was 16lbss and was hooked with a night crawler about 20' down, a couple miles out onto the lake.
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:08:33 PM EDT
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Flat heads (oppaloosa) and blues (high fin blue) eat only live bait Hardly, the blues have eaten everything I've offered. My girlfriend and I were out fishing for them on the Potomac on Saturday. She prefers just fishing with some bait rather than using lures. So I gave her some hotdogs to use rather than some white perch and other fish bits I had with me. She had caught one before I got my stuff squared away. I've found using my old tail-less Gulp mullet works really well too, either just suspended or on a jig head casted and retrieved. In the few hours out there I landed at least a dozen and she had at least six. The same works for the channel cats in the same area too. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 5:29:07 PM EDT
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Aside from other species hitting it, do cats hit the liver and worms just as well as dip baits?
I don't mind landing just about anything. Not exclusively going for cats, but if dips are the way to go ill give that a try. Edit: and what about adding scent? Was talking to a guy at work that swears by dip bait with some of that spray on shit on it but I'm questioning the necessity of adding more scent to that stuff |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 5:38:39 PM EDT
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Yellow cat (especially belly meat) > channels/blues
Blues and channels both take cut/dead bait. Yellows are a bit more picky. Last catfishing trip we soured a 5-gal bucket of grain (nice and stanky) and baited 3 holes. By the time we had baited hole #3 and run back to hole #1, the channel cats were thick. My boys caught them until they got tired. We had a blast, and fried up a mess of fish the next day. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 6:15:03 PM EDT
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Aside from other species hitting it, do cats hit the liver and worms just as well as dip baits? I don't mind landing just about anything. Not exclusively going for cats, but if dips are the way to go ill give that a try. Edit: and what about adding scent? Was talking to a guy at work that swears by dip bait with some of that spray on shit on it but I'm questioning the necessity of adding more scent to that stuff Here in Texas, the perch are gonna fuck up your day with the worms as bait. Liver is something we seldom used. It just didn't seem to be something the channels wanted. Grab three (blood, shad, liver) of the little 16 ounce tubs of dip baits, some trebles, and pencil corks and you're GTG Dip baits are just dead-solid-easy-to-use and you get less 'stanky on yo panky' with them. Dealing with liver, and trying to get it on the hook ... in the summer, it's just tedious as well. TRG |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 9:38:31 PM EDT
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Here in Texas, the perch are gonna fuck up your day with the worms as bait. Liver is something we seldom used. It just didn't seem to be something the channels wanted. Grab three (blood, shad, liver) of the little 16 ounce tubs of dip baits, some trebles, and pencil corks and you're GTG Dip baits are just dead-solid-easy-to-use and you get less 'stanky on yo panky' with them. Dealing with liver, and trying to get it on the hook ... in the summer, it's just tedious as well. TRG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aside from other species hitting it, do cats hit the liver and worms just as well as dip baits? I don't mind landing just about anything. Not exclusively going for cats, but if dips are the way to go ill give that a try. Edit: and what about adding scent? Was talking to a guy at work that swears by dip bait with some of that spray on shit on it but I'm questioning the necessity of adding more scent to that stuff Here in Texas, the perch are gonna fuck up your day with the worms as bait. Liver is something we seldom used. It just didn't seem to be something the channels wanted. Grab three (blood, shad, liver) of the little 16 ounce tubs of dip baits, some trebles, and pencil corks and you're GTG Dip baits are just dead-solid-easy-to-use and you get less 'stanky on yo panky' with them. Dealing with liver, and trying to get it on the hook ... in the summer, it's just tedious as well. TRG The liver really needs a little "aging" and most people don't want to touch it afterwards. I find cheap plastic gloves like they wear at subway work good for baiting with stink baits. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:36:36 AM EDT
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The liver really needs a little "aging" and most people don't want to touch it afterwards. I find cheap plastic gloves like they wear at subway work good for baiting with stink baits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aside from other species hitting it, do cats hit the liver and worms just as well as dip baits? I don't mind landing just about anything. Not exclusively going for cats, but if dips are the way to go ill give that a try. Edit: and what about adding scent? Was talking to a guy at work that swears by dip bait with some of that spray on shit on it but I'm questioning the necessity of adding more scent to that stuff Here in Texas, the perch are gonna fuck up your day with the worms as bait. Liver is something we seldom used. It just didn't seem to be something the channels wanted. Grab three (blood, shad, liver) of the little 16 ounce tubs of dip baits, some trebles, and pencil corks and you're GTG Dip baits are just dead-solid-easy-to-use and you get less 'stanky on yo panky' with them. Dealing with liver, and trying to get it on the hook ... in the summer, it's just tedious as well. TRG The liver really needs a little "aging" and most people don't want to touch it afterwards. I find cheap plastic gloves like they wear at subway work good for baiting with stink baits. Yup. Chicken blood (if you can find it) is much easier to deal with than liver. Also, though, very messy. Constantly either washing your hands, rinsing them in the lake or finding goop and gore on your clothes. Catfishing is messy enough without liver and blood to handle. A dip bait, a short stick, and it's much less mess to deal with. TRG |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 11:07:42 AM EDT
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Grabbed some dip bait. God damn the stink on that shit cuts right to your soul. Gonna hit the Fox River up this evening and see if we don't have any luck.
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Posted: 7/21/2015 1:14:48 PM EDT
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Grabbed some dip bait. God damn the stink on that shit cuts right to your soul. Gonna hit the Fox River up this evening and see if we don't have any luck. If you fish for cats long enough ... the smell of the dip bait starts to make your stomach growl with hunger. It's weird. FWIW, I read a true story about a man that used to trap skunks. He would excise the scent bags and keep them in a quart jars. He would, once the jar was filled, use the scent bags (filled with skunk scent) on a treble for bait. When asked about the stank he also said after a while the scent of skunk made him hungry. TRG |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 12:40:08 AM EDT
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Well we struck out on the cats.
Tried a local 40 acre lake during the day for some panfish. Got a crappie and 3 gills. Crappie and one of the gills were decent size. The other two swallowed the hook so they made the decision to keep for us. Then we tried the Fox River in Burlington for cats. Couldn't find any decent areas with low enough current to fish with a slip bobber. By the time I realized there was no such spot it was too late to try anything else. Suggestions? I was thinking running a slip sinker rig. Also how the fuck do you keep that dip bait on your treble hook? No matter what I did I'd always come up after a few casts with just scraps remaining from what I first put on hanging onto the hooks. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 2:50:28 AM EDT
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snip Also how the fuck do you keep that dip bait on your treble hook? No matter what I did I'd always come up after a few casts with just scraps remaining from what I first put on hanging onto the hooks. IMO, you don't. it's not suited for multiple casts. you could try bait with more fibrous materials that may last longer, or a dip tube or some such as well. However, being drug through the water or a fast current will remove it from the hook. Someone else might have a better answer, but that's what I know to be true. examples: dip tubes: http://teamcatfish.com/ez-load-dip-tubes.html dip with fibrous inclusions: http://teamcatfish.com/sudden-impact-fiber-bait.html |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 9:51:36 AM EDT
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IMO, you don't. it's not suited for multiple casts. you could try bait with more fibrous materials that may last longer, or a dip tube or some such as well. However, being drug through the water or a fast current will remove it from the hook. Someone else might have a better answer, but that's what I know to be true. examples: dip tubes: http://teamcatfish.com/ez-load-dip-tubes.html dip with fibrous inclusions: http://teamcatfish.com/sudden-impact-fiber-bait.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip Also how the fuck do you keep that dip bait on your treble hook? No matter what I did I'd always come up after a few casts with just scraps remaining from what I first put on hanging onto the hooks. IMO, you don't. it's not suited for multiple casts. you could try bait with more fibrous materials that may last longer, or a dip tube or some such as well. However, being drug through the water or a fast current will remove it from the hook. Someone else might have a better answer, but that's what I know to be true. examples: dip tubes: http://teamcatfish.com/ez-load-dip-tubes.html dip with fibrous inclusions: http://teamcatfish.com/sudden-impact-fiber-bait.html The fiber stuff works, particularly with the hooks with coils to hold it better. It takes less of it than you think too. That bait is stanky though. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 12:34:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2015 5:36:01 PM EDT
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I had my best luck with just the spring (no sponge). At first I was putting a big wad of the fiber on there, and even casting gently (which my kids havent grasped yet) slinging off the majority of the bait was common. After a while, I discovered that just a little of the fiber on the coil was still catching plenty of channels. We tried some hooks with sponges but ended up just ripping them off and just using the coils.
I had never used that type of bait before (I'd always just run jugs/trotlines when trying to get serious, and live/cut bait with rod&reel). We caught a shitload of good eating-sized fish, and a good time was had by all. ETA this topic reminds me that I want to take the kids fishing before school starts again... |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 8:06:00 PM EDT
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I had my best luck with just the spring (no sponge). At first I was putting a big wad of the fiber on there, and even casting gently (which my kids havent grasped yet) slinging off the majority of the bait was common. After a while, I discovered that just a little of the fiber on the coil was still catching plenty of channels. We tried some hooks with sponges but ended up just ripping them off and just using the coils. I had never used that type of bait before (I'd always just run jugs/trotlines when trying to get serious, and live/cut bait with rod&reel). We caught a shitload of good eating-sized fish, and a good time was had by all. ETA this topic reminds me that I want to take the kids fishing before school starts again... The 'store-bought' pre-made sponges are too tightly made. The hat sponge (for cleaning a stetson) has a very open structure. We would buy a single sponge at a hat shop and then cut/trim a piece and place on the hooks. At the time, we were using a homemade cheddar cheese and hog brain mix. Maker has gone out of bidness now and the dip baits were almost as good. I agree that even a few clinging fibers works. There is a 'under hand/ side arm' cast that I like to use that kinda just tosses the whole bait and cork gently out. You can't do an overhead cast, for distance, until you get the need for smooth and easy down. Lake Tawakoni State Park is a prime place for bank fishing for channels here. I need to make a morning trip up there asap. The drought had the lake down too far for the two previous summers. I;ts probably hoppin now. TRG |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 9:41:43 PM EDT
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I need a trip to Falcon or Amistad, personally. I owe my son a trip to the best restaurant CFS I ever tasted (Paraiso restaurant, Zapata Texas) anyway.
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Posted: 7/23/2015 7:25:14 AM EDT
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I need a trip to Falcon or Amistad, personally. I owe my son a trip to the best restaurant CFS I ever tasted (Paraiso restaurant, Zapata Texas) anyway. Chicken fried steak huh? That's my goto place when I work in Zapata. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:33:56 AM EDT
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I need a trip to Falcon or Amistad, personally. I owe my son a trip to the best restaurant CFS I ever tasted (Paraiso restaurant, Zapata Texas) anyway. Chicken fried steak huh? That's my goto place when I work in Zapata. Never had better, and I've eaten it at a lot of places. They make a mean mexican plate too, but not as good as Lala's in Mirando City (about an hour away). ETA- next time you are there, order one if you like CFS. If you don't like it, IM me and I'll pay for it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 6:18:30 PM EDT
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Been doing some jug fishing on the Tombigbee. Try to have them out before daylight baited with cut skipjack. even with water temp around 87deg, most of our catch are around 7 ft deep.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:54:56 AM EDT
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My Son and I went out last night for the first time in a while fishing for channels, we needless to say used livers, I thought we would at least run into a lot of small ones, turns out the action was fairly slow, we fished 3hrs and only caught 2, both were descent fish though around 5lbs each, I chalked it up to the fact that the little ones didn't seems to be around and devouring the bait as soon as it hit the water and gave the better fish a chance to locate it, I was considering buying some shrimp, anybody have any tips on using shrimp? Thanks.
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