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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:20:55 PM EDT
Which would you rather have shtf and why?
I've made several diy alcohol stoves that seem to work fine and are lightweight. The jetboil kits seem nice and I like how they nestle together and seem packable. What do you guys prefer or do you use a different method altogether? |
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SHTF? Alcohol stove, lots of fuel choices. AND you can replicate with relative ease. very light and about as KISS as it gets.
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SHTF you could always just make alcohol stoves on the fly. I like my multi fuel whisperlite international for actual cooking so that'd be my choice.
A few backpacking buds have the jetboils and about the only big advantage I see is they boil water lighting fast (if thats an advantage) I like being able to throw any ole pot or pan on my stove and cook up some chicken breast or just make a cup or pot of coffee I like flexibility and the international offers just that. |
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I have a jetboil....they are awesome! They can boil water in a matter of seconds. BUT.....all you can do is boil water in them, if you want to heat up sauce, food, or anything else that is not a thin liquid....forget it.
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There is one problem with homemade alcohol stoves: putting them out. They work by getting very hot and then burning not the liquid alcohol but the vaporized gases. The problem is that it can be difficult to put out. I made a few mostly for fun but I did take one backpacking. I made a cover out of another can. I used foil tape and made sure that it would seal around the stove. The problem is that unless you put it on just right gases will escape from around the cover and continue to burn. Since the stove is still hot, it will continue to produce these vaporized gases. The flames will quickly make the lid too hot to handle. So now you have an fire that you cannot put out. With a little practice I could put the fire out almost every time. But the first time I used it on a backpacking trip, I had this problem. I used a couple sticks to remove the lid and got the fire out on the second try. I own a jet boil now.
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In a SHTF scenario, how are you going to re-supply either alcohol or isobutane fuel? Consider two failsafe alternatives --- the venerable Kelly Kettle, fueled by almost anything inflammable and hell-on-wheels for boiling water, albeit big and bulky, or, the Solo Stove (with pot it nests in) fueled by sticks and cones and other "biomass", and also accommodates use with an alcohol burner. Either implement works well with twigs and scraps of wood, dried dung, or other easily scrounged no-tech fuel. Size matters, so opt for the larger capacity versions of the Kelly Kettle, or the "Titan" Solo Stove. For general purpose campfire cooking, see also Purcell Trench Grills --- offering lightweight, compact, grills and accessories for cooking over open fires. None of these are cheap, all are bargains.
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I have a jetboil....they are awesome! They can boil water in a matter of seconds. BUT.....all you can do is boil water in them, if you want to heat up sauce, food, or anything else that is not a thin liquid....forget it. View Quote This is an inaccurate assertion --- my JetBoil stoves have a fuel valve "throttle", which is one of their selling points, and a distinguishing feature, compared to other "blow torch only" stoves. It is finicky to dial down the burn rate, but it's easily done, and easiest using JetBoil's proprietary pots and pans with their "Flux Ring" feature, but do-able with conventional utensils,using the JetBoil pot support accessory. The JetBoil stoves are marvels of efficiency and smart design, but still, not ideal choices for SHTF. |
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There are several stoves that use twigs and etc to cook with...
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For FIVE BUCKS shipped you can do both and not break your bank. DannerTrax http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pqcNyohqL._SY355_.jpg View Quote This was my first compact stove and it was fantastic for the price! I did a head to head with a pocket rocket and snow peak and it held its own with the rocket and was actually better then the snow peak at boil times. Only bad thing was a breeze would affect the flame more then the other two. Only reason I gave it away was to go liquid fuel. |
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For FIVE BUCKS shipped you can do both and not break your bank. DannerTrax http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pqcNyohqL._SY355_.jpg View Quote I was really considering that one. Would be great for truck bag or a cache too.may grab one or two. |
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The MSR Whisperlite is about as bombproof as they get. Field strippable and the international version will burn just about any fuel. I have had mine for decades.
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Quoted: This was my first compact stove and it was fantastic for the price! I did a head to head with a pocket rocket and snow peak and it held its own with the rocket and was actually better then the snow peak at boil times. Only bad thing was a breeze would affect the flame more then the other two. Only reason I gave it away was to go liquid fuel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: For FIVE BUCKS shipped you can do both and not break your bank. DannerTrax http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pqcNyohqL._SY355_.jpg This was my first compact stove and it was fantastic for the price! I did a head to head with a pocket rocket and snow peak and it held its own with the rocket and was actually better then the snow peak at boil times. Only bad thing was a breeze would affect the flame more then the other two. Only reason I gave it away was to go liquid fuel. |
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For SHTF? Meaning I will not be able to rely on being able to find fuel cannisters for my jetboil?
I'll take one of these in that case.. http://www.bushcraft-essentials.com/english/outdoor-stoves/bushbox-xl-multi-fuel-outdoor-stove.html |
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For SHTF? Meaning I will not be able to rely on being able to find fuel cannisters for my jetboil? I'll take one of these in that case.. http://www.bushcraft-essentials.com/english/outdoor-stoves/bushbox-xl-multi-fuel-outdoor-stove.html http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61L26YKlpVL._SL1500_.jpg View Quote Thanks! I've been looking for the right wood burning stove that will also work well with my trangia and this looks perfect |
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Whisperlite International. It will burn just about any flammable liquid.
Only thing that would come close for SHTF would be this: BioLite Actually I think any one preparing for SHTF should have both of them. |
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For SHTF I wouldn't choose a canister stove like the Jetboil. It's a great stove for boiling water for dehydrated meals, but it has a somewhat limited running time; depending on the size of the fuel canister. It's great for backpacking or camping, but I think it's limited by the single fuel source. I love mine for what it is; but it's not a great prolonged SHTF stove
My SHTF stove is the Primus Omnifuel. It burns everything but alcohol; unleaded, kero, diesel, white gas, liquid paraffin, canisters, propane. I purchased a 1lb propane adapter off of Ebay so I can also run those bottles too. The pump is mostly metal, so fewer breakages. I'm sacrificing weight for reliability, but I'm ok with that. My backup to that is going to be an Emberlit Fire Ant; a lightweight titanium wood and biomass stove. They're currently in production and should be out shortly. |
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Thanks! I've been looking for the right wood burning stove that will also work well with my trangia and this looks perfect View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For SHTF? Meaning I will not be able to rely on being able to find fuel cannisters for my jetboil? I'll take one of these in that case.. http://www.bushcraft-essentials.com/english/outdoor-stoves/bushbox-xl-multi-fuel-outdoor-stove.html http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61L26YKlpVL._SL1500_.jpg Thanks! I've been looking for the right wood burning stove that will also work well with my trangia and this looks perfect I ordered one off amazon, and will be using it this weekend for the first time. over on Bushcraft USA a couple of the guys have them and they are highly regarded. |
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I suppose it depends on what shape Something Hitting The Fan takes:
I've got the old JetBoil PCS 1L system. With the issue 1L heat xchanger pot it works awsome for heating water and thin soupy type things. It came with an adaptor which sits on top of the burner assy and allows one to use any old pot, in addition to the original specialty pot. Mine works great. I like it. It's heavy. My alcohol ventures have taken the form of the Trangia 25 and a homemade Caldera Cone. The T25 cooks very nicely, if slowly. The temp control w/ simmer ring is great. You can go from barely hot at all to full power, very easily. Simmers excellent. The Caldera Cone is a super nice design, which has lightweight virtues designed to appeal to backpackers. Vehicle campers will be better advised to stick with the sturdy Trangia 25, almost no matter how few or many mouths you have to feed. I like the Trangia. It's really heavy to carry. If your cooking system needs to sit in a ragingly hot and then cold vehicle year round, then alcohol is the answer. The mixed butane/propane cans won't take the elevated temps seen by many parked cars (130F Max?). Alcohol will tend to evaporate and escape, but that's it. Plus there's no moving parts w/ an alcohol stove. I like 'em both. It depends. |
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im heavily considering the biolite.
I live in eastern Kentucky, its mostly woods here and there is plenty of wood or scrap wood to burn. it seems very efficient. I like the idea you could charge a battery bank with it as well. natural disasters we deal with here are flooding and power outages. It never floods here at my home but sometimes the power is out. It can range from an hour to 2 weeks locally. (its never been off here longer than 4-5 hours) so i think something like this could be beneficial. |
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I made a cat food can alcohol stove and it works slick as hell. That being said I also have a Jetboil. For SHTF I would take both!
The Jetboil boils water. Fast, simple, and that's it. The alcohol stove does great for a fry pan. |
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Quoted: There is one problem with homemade alcohol stoves: putting them out. They work by getting very hot and then burning not the liquid alcohol but the vaporized gases. The problem is that it can be difficult to put out. I made a few mostly for fun but I did take one backpacking. I made a cover out of another can. I used foil tape and made sure that it would seal around the stove. The problem is that unless you put it on just right gases will escape from around the cover and continue to burn. Since the stove is still hot, it will continue to produce these vaporized gases. The flames will quickly make the lid too hot to handle. So now you have an fire that you cannot put out. With a little practice I could put the fire out almost every time. But the first time I used it on a backpacking trip, I had this problem. I used a couple sticks to remove the lid and got the fire out on the second try. I own a jet boil now. View Quote Find and read the cat-stove document and make a proper cover.
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The trick to alcohol is not putting them out it's useing an economical amount of fuel to do the job and let it burn out shortly after.
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found an "older' jetboil at the thrift store today.. paid $4
everything was there.. not bad, considering they're about $75 new. couldn't resist at that price.. I have a plethora of other types of stoves canister, alcohol and multifuel...oh, and even a propane colman 2 burner I'm pretty much ready for anything stove related |
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Quoted: Whisperlite International. It will burn just about any flammable liquid. Only thing that would come close for SHTF would be this: BioLite Actually I think any one preparing for SHTF should have both of them. View Quote One of my camping buddies has one of these and it's neat, but keeping it going is a PITA. You have to constantly feed it. I have a Kovea Spider butane stove that I like a lot and a windscreen to go with it. I also recently bought a propane adapter so I can run it off 1lb. propane canisters. Obviously, for long term SHTF a wood fired stove is hard to beat. But IMHO, for short duration use the butane canister/propane stoves are hard to beat for convenience. |
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id love to get me a whisperlight, but for now i use a home made alc stove ill post pictures of the cover i made that works pretty well with it. i used it at work last winter after some dental work whre i was on a soup diet for a week, i used it out in the shop to heat up soup. one of my techs thought it was so cool he brought in two fosters beer cans for me to make one out of it works pretty well aswell.
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