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NAK
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Posted: 5/1/2012 1:11:42 AM
[Last Edit: 5/1/2012 1:12:28 AM by NAK]

THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
I bought a pair of cheap 15 Watt amorphous solar panels, from Northern Tool, to power a couple of LED feeder lights. Two 3-watt led lights, 18 amp/hrs of battery, and a charge regulator gave me a great setup...the first year. Less than 2 years later, the lights were going out within a couple of hours of sunset. I replaced the batteries back in February, thinking the originals had cooked in the metal box. Well, to my surprise, new batteries did not help, so I took my DVM with me this last weekend. When installed less than 2 years ago, I measured panel output at slightly over 0.8 amps from each, under strong sunlight. Saturday, shortly after noon, I measured 0.19 amps from one panel and 0.22 amps from the other. So much for the lifespan of amorphous being "almost as good" as crystalline. The panels had a 5 year warranty, but Northern says no-go without the original sales receipt...

"Cheap" turned out to be pretty expensive.

Just order a 40 watt, name brand, aluminum framed, crystalline panel.

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Posted: 5/1/2012 1:55:58 AM
Lesson #2:
Northern has no desire to keep customers happy.

I pay with a credit card, I expect to be able to return a product after the cheap thermal paper receipt has faded to black.

I didn't realize the amorphous units were so dodgy. Thanks for the warning.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 2:02:09 AM
Buy cheap chinese shit, get cheap chinese quality.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 9:03:03 AM
"real" solar panels have gotten to the price I see no reason to consider the harbor freight/northern tool stuff other than for a kid's science project.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 10:42:09 AM
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I pay with everything with the same cc, but they "could not locate the transaction"... which takes us back to lesson #2.

The 40 watt crystalline panel I order will end up being cheaper than the two 15watt panels I bought two years ago.



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Posted: 5/1/2012 6:02:48 PM
I have never heard of any solar panel that has exhibited this particular problem before. they just do not typically lose capacity like this. very odd.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 11:16:36 PM
Originally Posted By ilbob:
I have never heard of any solar panel that has exhibited this particular problem before. they just do not typically lose capacity like this. very odd.


I agree, that's why I am pissed. Decrease in power output is typical with age, but over a period of 15 or 20 years you expect them to still have 60% - 75% of their original capacity. These Northern Tool panels seem to have failed, not aged, and the failure mode appears to have been identical in the two panels.

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Posted: 5/10/2012 4:00:14 PM
I would call or email the corporate office. Can you find the credit card statement or something to show em?
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Posted: 5/10/2012 10:25:21 PM
Originally Posted By JBFJ40:
I would call or email the corporate office. Can you find the credit card statement or something to show em?


I buy a lot of crap there. Honestly, this the first thing I have had a problem with, that they did not stand behind.
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Posted: 5/22/2012 11:27:10 AM
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Originally Posted By NAK:
. The panels had a 5 year warranty, but Northern says no-go without the original sales receipt...



If they are not going to honor the replacement warranty, buy new set return old set with new receipt.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 12:03:06 AM
Originally Posted By ilbob:
I have never heard of any solar panel that has exhibited this particular problem before. they just do not typically lose capacity like this. very odd.


Solar panels do degrade, just should not that rapidly. On quality panels, they have the estimated range of degradation over a determined lifespan of the panel.
Solar Degredation
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Posted: 5/31/2012 7:37:47 AM
Originally Posted By GilaMonster:
Originally Posted By ilbob:
I have never heard of any solar panel that has exhibited this particular problem before. they just do not typically lose capacity like this. very odd.


Solar panels do degrade, just should not that rapidly. On quality panels, they have the estimated range of degradation over a determined lifespan of the panel.
Solar Degredation


My guess is some kind of manufacturing defect. That happens sometimes.

The "funny" part of this kind of situation is that often the cheaper units come off the same exact assembly line made exactly the same way as the more expensive ones do. Often the only difference in this kind of thing is the packaging.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 8:35:08 PM
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:29:32 AM
I thought you got 'em at Harbor Freight.
Originally posted by: KA3B
Honestly, what in the fuck are you trying to say?
Are you typing with a Playskool keyboard or what?

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