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Posted: 6/13/2010 9:15:06 AM

Originally Posted By BBQChamp:
Originally Posted By hobbsar:
I would suggest taking a Red Cross first aid and CPR course. You can learn basic first aid skills and of course CPR. They are seperate courses.
The U.S. Army first aid manual is good material, if you are serious about emergency medicine.


I took the Red Cross CPR/AED/First aid class it was a single 8 hour class, last month. The CPR was good. The first aid is how to use a band aid not BLS. To learn real BLS in the context of an ambulance not arriving in minutes takes an 80 hour Wilderness First Responder class. Yes I invested the time to do that. The WFR does not cover blow out type injuries. My next steps are to sign up for the basic EMT at a local community college and then add Wilderness and Tactical training for EMT's on top of that. If you want better CPR training take the Red Cross CPR for professional rescuers class. It is a requirement for most EMT courses.

I would not want someone trying BLS on me who read about it.

BLS is Basic Life Support.

Ya, you definitly took the wrong class. The CPR/AED class is what we call heartsaver AED, its extremely basic and only covers good cpr for adult and child (single rescuer), aed, choking, a tiny bit on drowning/ stroke signs and symptoms and thats basically it. We mostly teach them to coaches/counselors/teachers/cardiac patients, those type of people.

what you needed to take was BLS-original, much better class, and 8 hours is ridiculous for a heartsaver course. WFR is also very good and should probably have cert. you as a CFR which isnt much but its something. Don't worry about CPR for PRO rescuers at all if your planning on taking EMT. Your correct that its a requirement but its covered and you become certified automatically in the opening few weeks of EMT, no need to take it beforehand.

Two things I always offer to all my students, to all the parents in the room I always offer to teach there children a real heartsaver/AED class completely free of charge, and if they call in advance I always ask them if they want to bring them, as long as we aren't maxed out for student:instructor ratio I always let them stick with me and get certified, I also buy them a pocket face mask on my dime. good karma

As someone else already mentioned I will always also field any EMS questions I get asked as long as I make it clear that its outside their scope of knowledge for good samaritan and that i'm only speaking unofficially and giving advice for themselves or family, but if they want to hang around, again I will teach them any EMT skills they are interested in provided we take the time to teach it and then have them demo it to me so I can sign off on them, I'll always stay late for people who want these types of skills, especially infant rescue if they are a new mom or dad.


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Posted: 6/29/2010 1:04:25 AM
For greater hemorrhage control and as a backup for a twisted ankle carry an ace wrap. For the bad cuts, wad a piece of shirt and compress with ace wrap. Basically same thing I teach my medics at work.
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Posted: 7/4/2010 10:52:11 PM
Originally Posted By BruceLeroy:
For greater hemorrhage control and as a backup for a twisted ankle carry an ace wrap. For the bad cuts, wad a piece of shirt and compress with ace wrap. Basically same thing I teach my medics at work.


Basically, you can't teach basic first aid in just a sentence. You're going to have people thinking that bleeding control is as easy as dealing with a sprained ankle.

When you control bleeding, you do it at the point of the bleeding. Meaning, IN the wound, not just on top of the wound. Wound packing is a skill that must be taught, learned, and practiced hands-on. To tell someone that a shirt and an Ace bandage will fix "bad cuts" is doing a disservice to medical treatment, and to anyone wanting to learn actual medical skills and understanding.
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If you could, in the eyes of the law it would be the same as buying any other Rx medication without a Rx.


Yep, some things are just stupid. Stupid as it may be, the law can take you down.

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whatev ft is correct

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Mugwort can be used to counter poison oak. It often is growing right next to it. That's poison oak on the left in the first pic, mugwort on the right.
Make a mulch with water and use it as a soap after exposure. Chumash indians used to make a tea and pour it on the rash for relief also.



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Posted: 12/7/2011 10:56:25 AM
Originally Posted By NorthernHillbilly:
Originally Posted By hobbsar:
I would suggest taking a Red Cross first aid and CPR course. You can learn basic first aid skills and of course CPR. They are seperate courses.
The U.S. Army first aid manual is good material, if you are serious about emergency medicine.


/\ This. Don't worry about getting IV fluids and learning how to start IVs. Why? heavy stuff (fluids) that will eventually expire that won't get used, plus they have to be stored at certain temps IIRC. If you're in a situation where you would use IVF are probably better getting the patient the hell outta dodge ASAP. A single bag of IVF for dehydration or hemorrhage is simply delaying the inevitable. Why putz with an IV when the rate of hemorrhage is 5x the rate of IV infusion; you're better off with direct pressure and a good radio. CPR and a wilderness medicine or basic EMT course will show you how do deal with those issues. Know where the nearest thing approximating a hospital is and how to get there and how long it will take to get there. Plan accidents and how you would deal with them, and different ways to signal help.

MOST of us won't be camping, hiking, spelunking, etc in areas without some type of advanced medical facility within a few hundred miles so that proper first aid and calling for help are your best tactics.

Personally I have some advanced things in my hunting/hiking FAK. CPR equipment/airways/suturing kit/stapler/etc. Will only use these if absolutely necessary. Still waiting to get the trauma bandage/patch for GSWs.

I mentioned this on another thread but also know common injuries and first aid needs for companions such as kids, dogs, etc.

***FYI my most used items are 4x4 gauze pads, wound cleanser, and COBAN wrap. Coban is magic––keeps everything in place and allows for fair wound compression. Can be used in place of rope/duct tape in fashioning things like splints in a pinch.***


On another survival forum I was decisively REPRIMANDED for even suggesting the application of an IV for stabilization. I was told that only under supervision of certain personnel (like a dr's order) can an EMT start an IV. I have all the equipment, but I have been warned about the legalities AND the aftermath of an IV administration. In a SHFT situation, I would not hesitate if I have items on hand. I a situation where medical facilities are close at hand, I personally would use other First Aid measures.

Most important, take a class(es), then train. I can look at ballistic chart all day long, and I can understand what my bullet might do. Until I fire the rifle 500-1000 times, I really do not know what I am doing.

Just a little input from a newbie that got crushed on another forum. Damn, they were mean. All I was doing was asking was what essentials I needed in my primary med kit, and I happened to mention I had an IV set up. Lord help me!

Have a great one!

Pope
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Posted: 7/6/2012 2:31:30 PM
I have three kits with me when I go out for a long camp. For the base camp, I have a Blackhawk Stomp II pack that is fully loaded without any drugs except OTC stuff for every occasion. My second is a grab and go Maxpedition Jumbo Versa pack with what I can fit in it and my third is a military IFAK that has gloves that fit me. I'm all for being prepared for everything. Where we hunt, the closest real hospital is an hour and a half away. There is a free standing ER 30 minutes away, but I've been there for minor stuff and am not impressed. I do have an exstensive pre-hospital medical background behind me though. I wouldn't let those other individuals deter you. Go with your gut and prepare for what you think you need to.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:05:03 PM
Referring back to that post about sword fern being good for relief from stinging nettles--

It's also helpful for poison ivy and poison oak, and often grows near them, as well.

I've also heard that the actual stinging hairs from the nettle can be extracted instantly from the skin by gently wiping the affected area with a chamois, or with the inside of a leather glove.

Nice to keep things like that in mind, just in case!
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:42:12 AM
Originally Posted By Harvest123:

On another survival forum I was decisively REPRIMANDED for even suggesting the application of an IV for stabilization. I was told that only under supervision of certain personnel (like a dr's order) can an EMT start an IV. I have all the equipment, but I have been warned about the legalities AND the aftermath of an IV administration. In a SHFT situation, I would not hesitate if I have items on hand. I a situation where medical facilities are close at hand, I personally would use other First Aid measures.

Most important, take a class(es), then train. I can look at ballistic chart all day long, and I can understand what my bullet might do. Until I fire the rifle 500-1000 times, I really do not know what I am doing.

Just a little input from a newbie that got crushed on another forum. Damn, they were mean. All I was doing was asking was what essentials I needed in my primary med kit, and I happened to mention I had an IV set up. Lord help me!

Have a great one!

Pope


They may have been douches about it, but the point, I'm sure, was that when you get the training, you don't have to ask those kinds of questions. Your training answers those questions. A lot of people think that the more training you have, the more you can carry and use. It's the opposite. The more training you have, the less you have to carry, because you know the WHY behind things, and you can do more with less. For instance, you know not only the designed and intended use of an NPA, but several other neat things that can be done with them.
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