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Question for instructors on handgun reliability
7/13/2010 1:48:44 PM
I know that Glock is gold standard on reliability. However, I simply cannot tolerate them ergonomically.
I have had related to me from several sources that XDs tend to malfunction if the mags get dirty and sometimes have extraction issues.
What I'd like to know is what else stacks up favorably in comparison to the Glock 17/19/26 for reliable functioning under hard use. I understand that the M&P line stacks up well, but I wonder what else does or if that's it? I'm especially curious about the Ruger SR9c and HK P2000.
I have had related to me from several sources that XDs tend to malfunction if the mags get dirty and sometimes have extraction issues.
What I'd like to know is what else stacks up favorably in comparison to the Glock 17/19/26 for reliable functioning under hard use. I understand that the M&P line stacks up well, but I wonder what else does or if that's it? I'm especially curious about the Ruger SR9c and HK P2000.
7/13/2010 10:44:00 PM
Originally Posted By JamesP81:
I know that Glock is gold standard on reliability. However, I simply cannot tolerate them ergonomically.
I have had related to me from several sources that XDs tend to malfunction if the mags get dirty and sometimes have extraction issues.
What I'd like to know is what else stacks up favorably in comparison to the Glock 17/19/26 for reliable functioning under hard use. I understand that the M&P line stacks up well, but I wonder what else does or if that's it? I'm especially curious about the Ruger SR9c and HK P2000.
I know that Glock is gold standard on reliability. However, I simply cannot tolerate them ergonomically.
I have had related to me from several sources that XDs tend to malfunction if the mags get dirty and sometimes have extraction issues.
What I'd like to know is what else stacks up favorably in comparison to the Glock 17/19/26 for reliable functioning under hard use. I understand that the M&P line stacks up well, but I wonder what else does or if that's it? I'm especially curious about the Ruger SR9c and HK P2000.
+1 on the S&W MP.
I own 4 of them ... here are my round counts ish.
1 M&P 9Ls ... 1 has 60k+ rounds through it
(I have done plenty of service to the gun, but like any gun it will break if you put enough rounds through it)
1 M&P Pro (my wife's m&P) has around 40-50K rounds through it. I have only done 1 service to it besides scheduled maintenance. I replaced the extractor at around 20k.
1 M&P Standard has 100 rounds through it. Its just a backup in case one of our main guns go down and we have to get them serviced
1 M&P 9c 4k+ rounds through it, my carry gun.
The M&P line of pistols are solid, and the customer service at S&W is pretty nice as well. I would highly recommend the M&P line of pistols. Anything HK is going to work very well as well. No opinion on a ruger, previous shooters that have influenced my shooting life have told me they are not very good. Those same shooters have gone pro or work for the industry.
7/14/2010 3:03:57 PM
I would take a 1911 over a glock any day. Call me old school but the design has been around 100 years and is copied more than any other pistol. My 1911 fits my hand like a glove and its just a standard GI model
7/15/2010 12:34:15 PM
Originally Posted By Virginia-Tactical:
+1 on the S&W MP.
I own 4 of them ... here are my round counts ish.
1 M&P 9Ls ... 1 has 60k+ rounds through it
(I have done plenty of service to the gun, but like any gun it will break if you put enough rounds through it)
1 M&P Pro (my wife's m&P) has around 40-50K rounds through it. I have only done 1 service to it besides scheduled maintenance. I replaced the extractor at around 20k.
1 M&P Standard has 100 rounds through it. Its just a backup in case one of our main guns go down and we have to get them serviced
1 M&P 9c 4k+ rounds through it, my carry gun.
The M&P line of pistols are solid, and the customer service at S&W is pretty nice as well. I would highly recommend the M&P line of pistols. Anything HK is going to work very well as well. No opinion on a ruger, previous shooters that have influenced my shooting life have told me they are not very good. Those same shooters have gone pro or work for the industry.
Originally Posted By JamesP81:
I know that Glock is gold standard on reliability. However, I simply cannot tolerate them ergonomically.
I have had related to me from several sources that XDs tend to malfunction if the mags get dirty and sometimes have extraction issues.
What I'd like to know is what else stacks up favorably in comparison to the Glock 17/19/26 for reliable functioning under hard use. I understand that the M&P line stacks up well, but I wonder what else does or if that's it? I'm especially curious about the Ruger SR9c and HK P2000.
I know that Glock is gold standard on reliability. However, I simply cannot tolerate them ergonomically.
I have had related to me from several sources that XDs tend to malfunction if the mags get dirty and sometimes have extraction issues.
What I'd like to know is what else stacks up favorably in comparison to the Glock 17/19/26 for reliable functioning under hard use. I understand that the M&P line stacks up well, but I wonder what else does or if that's it? I'm especially curious about the Ruger SR9c and HK P2000.
+1 on the S&W MP.
I own 4 of them ... here are my round counts ish.
1 M&P 9Ls ... 1 has 60k+ rounds through it
(I have done plenty of service to the gun, but like any gun it will break if you put enough rounds through it)
1 M&P Pro (my wife's m&P) has around 40-50K rounds through it. I have only done 1 service to it besides scheduled maintenance. I replaced the extractor at around 20k.
1 M&P Standard has 100 rounds through it. Its just a backup in case one of our main guns go down and we have to get them serviced
1 M&P 9c 4k+ rounds through it, my carry gun.
The M&P line of pistols are solid, and the customer service at S&W is pretty nice as well. I would highly recommend the M&P line of pistols. Anything HK is going to work very well as well. No opinion on a ruger, previous shooters that have influenced my shooting life have told me they are not very good. Those same shooters have gone pro or work for the industry.
What are your thoughts on the FNP series of pistols, specifically the FNP-9?
7/15/2010 9:33:34 PM
What are your thoughts on the FNP series of pistols, specifically the FNP-9?
Here is my experience and opinion:
Experience: I met a young Marine who was interested in working with me. He had a fnp40. The gun would break like 2 millimeters before the trigger would make contact with the back of the trigger guard. I saw him shoot around 300 rounds through it, and he shot pretty horrible. Mind you this is his interview to come work with me on a job we do twice a month. I asked him if I could shoot the firearm, and I found the double action to be very long, and the ergonomics of the gun to be horrible. I promptly put an M&P in his hands, and his performance shot through the roof. I advised him to sell the FNP40, and I recently purchased him a M&P to replace the gun. Our boss (my company works for another company) also gave this young marine a M&P. He has been shooting much better with the M&P and he is really upset he purchased that FNP40.
My thoughts .... if you want a double / single .... buy a HK .. or berretta for 2nd place in that category!
Mind you ... I do NOT have extensive experience with the FNP line of pistols. I literally just wrote all the experience I have with them. I grew up on the berretta in the military and have way over 100K rounds shot through berrettas. I also shot glocks and 1911s extensively. I just recently switched to M&P and I have not looked back since.
7/16/2010 5:37:57 PM
Originally Posted By Virginia-Tactical:
What are your thoughts on the FNP series of pistols, specifically the FNP-9?
Here is my experience and opinion:
Experience: I met a young Marine who was interested in working with me. He had a fnp40. The gun would break like 2 millimeters before the trigger would make contact with the back of the trigger guard. I saw him shoot around 300 rounds through it, and he shot pretty horrible. Mind you this is his interview to come work with me on a job we do twice a month. I asked him if I could shoot the firearm, and I found the double action to be very long, and the ergonomics of the gun to be horrible. I promptly put an M&P in his hands, and his performance shot through the roof. I advised him to sell the FNP40, and I recently purchased him a M&P to replace the gun. Our boss (my company works for another company) also gave this young marine a M&P. He has been shooting much better with the M&P and he is really upset he purchased that FNP40.
My thoughts .... if you want a double / single .... buy a HK .. or berretta for 2nd place in that category!
Mind you ... I do NOT have extensive experience with the FNP line of pistols. I literally just wrote all the experience I have with them. I grew up on the berretta in the military and have way over 100K rounds shot through berrettas. I also shot glocks and 1911s extensively. I just recently switched to M&P and I have not looked back since.
What are your thoughts on the FNP series of pistols, specifically the FNP-9?
Here is my experience and opinion:
Experience: I met a young Marine who was interested in working with me. He had a fnp40. The gun would break like 2 millimeters before the trigger would make contact with the back of the trigger guard. I saw him shoot around 300 rounds through it, and he shot pretty horrible. Mind you this is his interview to come work with me on a job we do twice a month. I asked him if I could shoot the firearm, and I found the double action to be very long, and the ergonomics of the gun to be horrible. I promptly put an M&P in his hands, and his performance shot through the roof. I advised him to sell the FNP40, and I recently purchased him a M&P to replace the gun. Our boss (my company works for another company) also gave this young marine a M&P. He has been shooting much better with the M&P and he is really upset he purchased that FNP40.
My thoughts .... if you want a double / single .... buy a HK .. or berretta for 2nd place in that category!
Mind you ... I do NOT have extensive experience with the FNP line of pistols. I literally just wrote all the experience I have with them. I grew up on the berretta in the military and have way over 100K rounds shot through berrettas. I also shot glocks and 1911s extensively. I just recently switched to M&P and I have not looked back since.
Thanks.
I might get a Beretta at some point just to have a 9mm handgun for general use. I have to say, though, that the trigger reach is awfully long on them in double action.
7/17/2010 12:08:47 AM
I can only tell you my experience and that of one friend. I have an M&P 9mm. I only have about 1,000 rounds through it, but no malfunctions whatsoever. I'm very pleased, and I like it better than my Glock.
A friend bought an SR9, and it wouldn't function. We shot it side by side with my M&P, same ammo, same day. It consistently failed to eject/cycle, about 3 rounds per magazine. He sent it back to Ruger, and when it came back, no real improvement, so they refunded his money. I think this should be a fluke, I've never had trouble with Rugers.
I believe the XD, M&P, Glock and Ruger (despite the problem gun above) should be equal in reliability, so I just picked the one that fit my hands the best, with the trigger that felt the best, and for me that was the M&P. I'm thrilled with it. Note that I have some experience with the S&W Sigmas, and urge you to avoid that gun.
A friend bought an SR9, and it wouldn't function. We shot it side by side with my M&P, same ammo, same day. It consistently failed to eject/cycle, about 3 rounds per magazine. He sent it back to Ruger, and when it came back, no real improvement, so they refunded his money. I think this should be a fluke, I've never had trouble with Rugers.
I believe the XD, M&P, Glock and Ruger (despite the problem gun above) should be equal in reliability, so I just picked the one that fit my hands the best, with the trigger that felt the best, and for me that was the M&P. I'm thrilled with it. Note that I have some experience with the S&W Sigmas, and urge you to avoid that gun.
7/23/2010 11:31:48 AM
You could find an inexpensive glock (maybe LEO trade in or on the EE) and have it sent for a grip reduction. I used gripreductions.com and was very pleased. Only $125.00, excellent work and fast turnaround. Now my G 30 fits like a glove. I am in no way affliated with gripreductions.com, just a satisfied customer. 
7/23/2010 1:24:00 PM
A glock with a grip reduction is very attractive, but putting the same effort into an M&P (with Apex DCAEK) gives comparably satisfying results, and the ability to have a thumb safety if that's relevant. I've tried so hard to like the glocks enough to buy one, but the M&P does everything I would have asked of a glock.
7/28/2010 8:56:38 AM
Check out Sig P series guns (226, 229) or HK (P2000, P30) for reliability. You will pay big $$ for them, but they do have stellar track records. Can't speak for the M&P as I have never shot one. Go with what fits your hands and what controls work best for you. As you found out, not everyone's ergonomics works well with Glocks (though they are a great gun).
8/6/2010 12:09:50 PM
I have been an LEO firearms instructor for some years and my observations are that Glock, Sig, and Beretta serve pretty well. I recently saw a Sig 250 (the new one with the polymer frame and interchangeable fire control group) have extensive problems, but the traditional style sigs have always been good to go. I do not have that much experience with the M&P's, but after many years of seeing S&W autos have reliability issues I'll shy away until I see otherwise. Of the known reliable guns out there, my advise is to ignore what brand it is and shoot several and buy the one YOU LIKE the best. I'd start with the Baretta and Sig 229 or 220 since Glock is off the table.
8/11/2010 9:27:52 PM
As far as total reliability nothing beats the Glock in my book. If I ever stray away from them it would be the M&P in 9mm. That's probably the only thing that I can say I would trust with little hesitation.
8/19/2010 5:17:31 PM
I did have a full sized M&P 9MM. I was very happy with the pistol. It shot very well, fits the hand well and no malfunctions. The only reason I sold it is because I found a Gen 2 G 17 (no finger grooves) for the same price and I had 4 glock 17 hicap mags in my gun junk box so I ended up with more mags for the same money. I know the M&P might cost more in other areas but Buds Gunshop here in Lexington has driven the price of used M&Ps to rock bottom prices. A used M&P was about an equal trade with the Glock in these parts..
8/21/2010 4:26:44 PM
Based on what I have seen (I'm a police firearms instructor and have run my own training company for three years), these have been the most reliable by far...
Glock
Beretta 92/96
HK
SIG (classic series)
I think the M&P is probably ready for that list now too, but they had some initial teething issues.
Glock
Beretta 92/96
HK
SIG (classic series)
I think the M&P is probably ready for that list now too, but they had some initial teething issues.
8/26/2010 6:14:04 PM
Originally Posted By TN-popo:
Based on what I have seen (I'm a police firearms instructor and have run my own training company for three years), these have been the most reliable by far...
Glock
Beretta 92/96
HK
SIG (classic series)
I think the M&P is probably ready for that list now too, but they had some initial teething issues.
Based on what I have seen (I'm a police firearms instructor and have run my own training company for three years), these have been the most reliable by far...
Glock
Beretta 92/96
HK
SIG (classic series)
I think the M&P is probably ready for that list now too, but they had some initial teething issues.
I agree 100% with the list above.
I would also add the Steyr line of pistols to the list. They are to locate and are not being imported any more but they are a very well made service weapon. I have about 20K through the 9mm A1 Steyr that I own and it is still rock solid.
9/4/2010 8:45:54 PM
Originally Posted By LARman0311:
I would take a 1911 over a glock any day. Call me old school but the design has been around 100 years and is copied more than any other pistol. My 1911 fits my hand like a glove and its just a standard GI model
I would take a 1911 over a glock any day. Call me old school but the design has been around 100 years and is copied more than any other pistol. My 1911 fits my hand like a glove and its just a standard GI model
Every manufacturer has bad runs and even the worst manufacturers produce great guns from time to time. That being said, just about every gun I've ever handled has been "glock reliable" right out of the box. Some guns need a couple hundred rounds of break in (I'm thinking of Kahr in particular). After that you should be good to go with just about anything that costs more than $300.
9/4/2010 8:48:50 PM
If Glock is off the list I'd suggest pretty much anything H&K.
9/9/2010 4:32:59 AM
+1 For HK's reliability. I own two, and both are rock solid. Zero malfunctions, although they are both fairly new. Check this out:
HK P30 9mm 50,000 round torture test
HK P30 9mm 50,000 round torture test
9/9/2010 4:21:56 PM
Your right the Glock is the Gold standard for reliability. If you don’t like the ergonomics, but like the gun;,,,,,just change the ergonomics.
There are several “sculptors” out there that will modify the grip for you such as http://www.corsicacoatings.com/Glock_Frame_Mods.html .
If you want a more radical change without screwing with your standard frame get a different frame that fits for needs. Look at http://www.ccfraceframes.com/home.php If you look around you will find a way to make the gun fit you.
If your going to another gun, the S&W M&P would be a good choice. But it isn’t a Glock, no matter how hard it tries.Last but not least, ruger SR9 is a nice gun, but dont put it in the same class of the other firearms you mentioned.....it is way behind.
There are several “sculptors” out there that will modify the grip for you such as http://www.corsicacoatings.com/Glock_Frame_Mods.html .
If you want a more radical change without screwing with your standard frame get a different frame that fits for needs. Look at http://www.ccfraceframes.com/home.php If you look around you will find a way to make the gun fit you.
If your going to another gun, the S&W M&P would be a good choice. But it isn’t a Glock, no matter how hard it tries.Last but not least, ruger SR9 is a nice gun, but dont put it in the same class of the other firearms you mentioned.....it is way behind.
9/27/2010 10:33:03 AM
You can set up a gun for reliablity depending on what you like to shoot (ergonomically).
My original SV Infinity now has nearly 156,000+ rounds through it (3 barrels and four slides!) but it runs forever.
We shoot every Friday and a match on the weekend so it sees a minimum of 500 rounds every weekend
BUT...I haven't cleaned it this year! The original tolerances were TOO TIGHT so it took a little work to get it where it needed to be.
My son asks when I'll clean it. When it starts to have a problem!
It gets oiled often but no more. The mags get cleaned when they hit the sand.
It's a little loose but if it malfunctions, its the mags.
Mick
A27257
My original SV Infinity now has nearly 156,000+ rounds through it (3 barrels and four slides!) but it runs forever.
We shoot every Friday and a match on the weekend so it sees a minimum of 500 rounds every weekend
BUT...I haven't cleaned it this year! The original tolerances were TOO TIGHT so it took a little work to get it where it needed to be.
My son asks when I'll clean it. When it starts to have a problem!
It gets oiled often but no more. The mags get cleaned when they hit the sand.
It's a little loose but if it malfunctions, its the mags.
Mick
A27257
10/7/2010 6:43:59 PM
Sig P series
CZ-75
Ruger P series
The ergonomics of the Ruger are pretty horrid, too. I love my Sig and my CZ's.
Sam
CZ-75
Ruger P series
The ergonomics of the Ruger are pretty horrid, too. I love my Sig and my CZ's.
Sam
10/15/2010 1:30:01 AM
My XD and XDm have been more reliable than my 1911's, Glocks, CZ's, BHP's and anything else I've ever owned. It could be I didn't get them dirty enough, although they don't get cleaned through an entire summer of IDPA; it could also be that I don't get enough crud in the magazines, although I've dropped each hundreds of times and never once cleaned them.
I imagine I'm just not using them hard enough to make them fail, even though nearly every other platform I've used has.
Larry
I imagine I'm just not using them hard enough to make them fail, even though nearly every other platform I've used has.
Larry
10/27/2010 11:03:43 AM
i like 1911's because there overall accurate and reliable, if i where you i could go with a Springfield or a kimber depending on how much money you plan on spending nighthawks are great guns but they are gonna run on average about $3,000 where you can get a Springfield loaded for $800 and there over all a great self defense gun and all kimbers' are nice but they will run you from $1,000 up to $3,000 
10/28/2010 12:59:48 AM
I have a > 10k rounds AR-24, which is a EAA Witness copy, which in turn is a version of the CZ-75. Most of those series are pretty good, I personally like the ergos, and even the rough-around-the-edges AR-24 ate sand, mags dropped in the sand, and dirty ammo a thousand rounds at a time, and didn't choke. I would have no reservations about shooting it to 100k rounds other than spare parts that are not springs only being available at one place. If I had to do it again I'd just get the Witness, and consider the new CZ-SP01 which supposed to be pretty awesome out of the box.
I also think most guns, when treated according to their manual of arms, will be reliable. Question is, how well documented is that manual?
I also think most guns, when treated according to their manual of arms, will be reliable. Question is, how well documented is that manual?
10/28/2010 1:42:15 AM
Originally Posted By Colt_kid97:
i like 1911's because there overall accurate and reliable, if i where you i could go with a Springfield or a kimber depending on how much money you plan on spending nighthawks are great guns but they are gonna run on average about $3,000 where you can get a Springfield loaded for $800 and there over all a great self defense gun and all kimbers' are nice but they will run you from $1,000 up to $3,000
i like 1911's because there overall accurate and reliable, if i where you i could go with a Springfield or a kimber depending on how much money you plan on spending nighthawks are great guns but they are gonna run on average about $3,000 where you can get a Springfield loaded for $800 and there over all a great self defense gun and all kimbers' are nice but they will run you from $1,000 up to $3,000
Para makes a couple of great 9mm 1911's.
With that said, I have put over 200k through my gold match .45 Kimber and it just laughs at the ammo feeding problems my GLOCKs have had.
This is the opposite of what is supposed to happen.
/shrug.
My race gun is a 9mm super 1911. I love it and now want a few different flavors of 9mm 1911 CCW.
10/28/2010 4:28:25 PM
From my experience the following have worked flawlessly for me:
Glock 19
M&P40c
XD45c
The M & P is my daily carry gun, so I am trusting my life to its reliability....
Glock 19
M&P40c
XD45c
The M & P is my daily carry gun, so I am trusting my life to its reliability....
11/6/2010 10:55:06 PM
Based on my personal experience with the platforms, as well as what I have seen in classes and on the range.....
Recommend-
Glock, HK, M&P, properly built 1911, Beretta 92
Don't recommend-
Newer sig's, XD's, anything Ruger unless its a P95
I've seen them all choke at one point, but in the recommend category, its almost always been because of ammunition. The handguns with the worst record in courses thus far that I have seen have been XD's. I've seen PLENTY that run (so don't get your panties in a bunch if you have an XD that is more reliable than something I recommended, because I know it happens) but I have seen too many absolutely freakish problems that have put the gun out of action than any other platform, hands down.
Recommend-
Glock, HK, M&P, properly built 1911, Beretta 92
Don't recommend-
Newer sig's, XD's, anything Ruger unless its a P95
I've seen them all choke at one point, but in the recommend category, its almost always been because of ammunition. The handguns with the worst record in courses thus far that I have seen have been XD's. I've seen PLENTY that run (so don't get your panties in a bunch if you have an XD that is more reliable than something I recommended, because I know it happens) but I have seen too many absolutely freakish problems that have put the gun out of action than any other platform, hands down.
11/18/2010 8:20:18 AM
I have to Springfield XD's both in 9mm. Both OF MINE have ran great, I have had my subcompact since 2003 and havent had any gun related malfunctions to date. I has not gone into slide lock a couple of times but that was a shooter induced error., its a high round count gun. I know they get mixed reviews so buyer beware.
It is tough to beat a glock though, they run and run. Great guns. If I could only have 1 pistol it would be a glock.
It is tough to beat a glock though, they run and run. Great guns. If I could only have 1 pistol it would be a glock.
11/21/2010 7:43:14 AM
Most of the malfunctions I have seen are ammo related and lack of maintenance.
11/21/2010 7:52:04 AM
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Based on my personal experience with the platforms, as well as what I have seen in classes and on the range.....
Recommend-
Glock, HK, M&P, properly built 1911, Beretta 92
Don't recommend-
Newer sig's, XD's, anything Ruger unless its a P95
I've seen them all choke at one point, but in the recommend category, its almost always been because of ammunition. The handguns with the worst record in courses thus far that I have seen have been XD's. I've seen PLENTY that run (so don't get your panties in a bunch if you have an XD that is more reliable than something I recommended, because I know it happens) but I have seen too many absolutely freakish problems that have put the gun out of action than any other platform, hands down.
Based on my personal experience with the platforms, as well as what I have seen in classes and on the range.....
Recommend-
Glock, HK, M&P, properly built 1911, Beretta 92
Don't recommend-
Newer sig's, XD's, anything Ruger unless its a P95
I've seen them all choke at one point, but in the recommend category, its almost always been because of ammunition. The handguns with the worst record in courses thus far that I have seen have been XD's. I've seen PLENTY that run (so don't get your panties in a bunch if you have an XD that is more reliable than something I recommended, because I know it happens) but I have seen too many absolutely freakish problems that have put the gun out of action than any other platform, hands down.
Curious, what has generally been the cause of the XDs choking? I've heard mags can be problematic. I personally had a trigger bar snap after ~20k rounds. Any specifics you can recall?
11/22/2010 9:10:46 PM
Originally Posted By packingXDs:
Curious, what has generally been the cause of the XDs choking? I've heard mags can be problematic. I personally had a trigger bar snap after ~20k rounds. Any specifics you can recall?
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Based on my personal experience with the platforms, as well as what I have seen in classes and on the range.....
Recommend-
Glock, HK, M&P, properly built 1911, Beretta 92
Don't recommend-
Newer sig's, XD's, anything Ruger unless its a P95
I've seen them all choke at one point, but in the recommend category, its almost always been because of ammunition. The handguns with the worst record in courses thus far that I have seen have been XD's. I've seen PLENTY that run (so don't get your panties in a bunch if you have an XD that is more reliable than something I recommended, because I know it happens) but I have seen too many absolutely freakish problems that have put the gun out of action than any other platform, hands down.
Based on my personal experience with the platforms, as well as what I have seen in classes and on the range.....
Recommend-
Glock, HK, M&P, properly built 1911, Beretta 92
Don't recommend-
Newer sig's, XD's, anything Ruger unless its a P95
I've seen them all choke at one point, but in the recommend category, its almost always been because of ammunition. The handguns with the worst record in courses thus far that I have seen have been XD's. I've seen PLENTY that run (so don't get your panties in a bunch if you have an XD that is more reliable than something I recommended, because I know it happens) but I have seen too many absolutely freakish problems that have put the gun out of action than any other platform, hands down.
Curious, what has generally been the cause of the XDs choking? I've heard mags can be problematic. I personally had a trigger bar snap after ~20k rounds. Any specifics you can recall?
I've seen mag issues that occurred after the mags got dropped a few times. Definitely seem to be a tad picky once they get dirtied up. I've seen two XD's in 9mm that would randomly dump the magazines without being anywhere near the magazine release. I've also seen two catastrophic internal parts failures that rendered the gun inoperable, but I'm not sure exactly what happened.
The dirty mag issues were with .40's, the rest were with 9's. Haven't personally seen any issues with the .45.
11/23/2010 3:48:01 PM
I think sometimes it's important to understand reliability as far as situation goes.
Is your gun going to get dirty in a holster under your shirt? If the only time it malfunctions is because it's full of sand, that probably won't effect your CCW.
That said, I own 1 pistol and made it a Glock 19.
Is your gun going to get dirty in a holster under your shirt? If the only time it malfunctions is because it's full of sand, that probably won't effect your CCW.
That said, I own 1 pistol and made it a Glock 19.
12/1/2010 4:29:19 PM
Originally Posted By JamesP81:
I know that Glock is gold standard on reliability. However, I simply cannot tolerate them ergonomically.
I have had related to me from several sources that XDs tend to malfunction if the mags get dirty and sometimes have extraction issues.
I know that Glock is gold standard on reliability. However, I simply cannot tolerate them ergonomically.
I have had related to me from several sources that XDs tend to malfunction if the mags get dirty and sometimes have extraction issues.
I've not seen that. XD's seem to be as good as anything out there.
What I'd like to know is what else stacks up favorably in comparison to the Glock 17/19/26 for reliable functioning under hard use. I understand that the M&P line stacks up well, but I wonder what else does or if that's it? I'm especially curious about the Ruger SR9c and HK P2000.
I've seen very few Ruger semi autos or HK's in my classes. Glocks and XD's, with a few M&P's - thats probably what I see most. As long as the gun has been properly maintained, they all seem to do pretty good.
12/1/2010 4:30:42 PM
Originally Posted By Melendez402:
Most of the malfunctions I have seen are ammo related and lack of maintenance.
Most of the malfunctions I have seen are ammo related and lack of maintenance.
Ditto, in my experience. Dry guns, especially when they're dirty, just run like ass
