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 Appleseed is coming soon, and I am one rifle short, questions...
MisterB  [Team Member]
6/28/2010 12:00:41 AM
So I finally talked my wife into taking a Appleseed shoot with me on our vacation this summer (first one for both of us)

I have a Marlin 795 that is a good shooter, and I just ordered Tech Sights for it. I figure I will let my wife shoot this one. I only have one 10 round mag and two 7 round mags for this gun, will that work?

My other problem is I don't have another .22 semi auto rifle. I have a Henry Lever Action I shoot constantly and love. but it has the plastic open sights, and it is a tube fed lever action.

I suppose I could use one of my AR's, instead, since I have plenty of .223 ammo lying around. Will a 16" carbine with standard irons work ok? I don't have the extra cash to buy another Marlin+sights and magazines right now.

theskuh  [Team Member]
6/28/2010 12:25:02 AM
Someone here used speed loaders with a tube fed for an appleseed. Seemed to work out ok. I shot my first with a single shot. Didn't hit rifleman but it was fun anyway.

if I remember right you need 4 10 round mags to complete the AQT. So any combination that gets you to 40 should work.
GENESMITH  [Life Member]
6/28/2010 12:32:36 AM
You might try the florida home town forum and see if anyone will loan you one.

If you were closer, I'd let you borrow one of mine. I have 3 10/22's set up with tech sights, extended mag release, trigger job, etc.


Good luck,

Gene
MisterB  [Team Member]
6/28/2010 1:27:03 AM
Originally Posted By GENESMITH:
You might try the florida home town forum and see if anyone will loan you one.

If you were closer, I'd let you borrow one of mine. I have 3 10/22's set up with tech sights, extended mag release, trigger job, etc.


Good luck,

Gene


Its funny, while I would probably loan out a rifle to a buddy for something like this, I would feel very uncomfortable borrowing a rifle from even a close friend. Similar to my aversion to riding other guys motorcycles, even when offered.

I might rent one from the range if that option is available, though. The tube feed loaders would definately be a good idea if I take the Henry, though. I will have to see if I can fab up a few.
paddymurphy  [Team Member]
6/28/2010 1:56:21 AM
Yes, an iron sight ar will work. The army used to use a similar qual course with similar targets for annual qualifications (My guard unit did that course a few times. Targets were the same size but it was a straight hit or miss scoring system IIRC).

Another option would be a conversion kit for your AR. IT will pay for itself rather quickly, just through ammo savings. Many knock the accuracy but I used mine and it was accurate enough (day one only: as I had to work sunday so no aqt but I did shoot the redcoat and only missed the murphy shot(1"square) and one round of three on the four hundred yard sized target was about an half inch out.

Having another mag or two for your wife will not hurt and can help. WHile many of the instructors have extra stuff they are willing to let you use (at least at the one I attended. The instructors loaned out elbow pads, slings, shooting mats, mags, ammo(to try a different brand) and in two cases rifles (one was to a boy who was having trouble with the mossberg bolt gun and the other was a lady who brought her first rifle to attend the course. It was too long for her so the instructor loaned her one with an adjustable stock.), they rightly prefer you bring your own stuff as they only have so much to loan out, but they are a great bunch of people.

The Henry may not be the best rifle for the class. However, the instructors will work with whatever you have (we had one 7 year old girl using a pink cricket and a couple kids with old mossberg wood stocked 22's with only one or two mags each at the one I attended.). If you can afford it, get another rifle. If you can not, do the best you can with what you have.

I will ask my girlfriend as she recently completed the week long boot camp.

You may want to go to the appleseed forum as they can answer your questions best.

ETA: To expand on why the Henry may not be the beest choice.
1. Some folks can not work the action on a lever and keep a cheek weld. THis can hurt consistancy which will affect your accuracy.
2. Most of your shooting will be prone. Some lever guns are not the best for this (lots of factors shooter size length of lever throw etc come into play).
3. They stress using a sling to increase stability(loop and hasty). Using a sling in this manner will increase stress on the attachement point. It is not a huge amount of stress but when slung up without a hand on my pistol grip, it will cant the grip out in the opposite direction of the sling a couple of inches. I have no experience with Henrys but I could see this causing problems on a thinner forend. To give you a better idea of if it will work on your rifle it works on a 10-22 with no problems (at least that I have noticed).
Dirty_25  [Member]
6/30/2010 6:16:38 PM
Take you AR, and some 20rd mags. I shot my M-16A2 clone during my first appleseed and will take it to the next one also.
SinCity2A  [Team Member]
7/6/2010 12:55:05 AM
Take the three mags for the Marlin and you'll be fine.I have the 795 with the tech sights,it kicks ass!Let me say this clearly-GET YOURSELF SOME 1.25 INCH SLING SWIVELS AND A GI SLING FROM THE APPLESEED STORE,YOU NEED THIS TO SHOOT RIFLEMAN,TRUST ME!The course of fire for the rifleman patch has one mag change each in stage 2 and 3(two mags total per stage).Here's the COF breakdown-stage 1=one ten round magazine standing,stage 2=one two round and one eight round magazine sitting or kneeling,stage 3=one two round and one eight round magazine prone,stage 4=one ten round magazine prone.Stage 1 is one 100M size target,stage 2 is two 200M size targets,stage 3 is three 300M size targets,stage 4 is four 400M size targets.These are all on one sheet of paper at 25M(reduced size targets to simulate the distances)People talk smack "oh,thats only 25M",but you can learn and practice all of the marksmanship fundamentals on these reduced size targets except range estimation and wind.For me it was a great way to relearn the fundamentals after 10 years of pretty much no serious rifle shooting,I learned the hard way that shooting is a perishable skill!If you have a chance to attend an Appleseed with the actual distance component-2,3,4,and 500 meter shooting-trust me GO!You will see the how the 25M practice can help get you back on track.
Interceptor_Knight  [Member]
7/8/2010 1:00:06 AM
Originally Posted By theskuh:
if I remember right you need 4 10 round mags to complete the AQT. So any combination that gets you to 40 should work.

All you need is 2 magazines. There is plenty of time between stages to prep those magazines. More magazines are nice but not necessary.

Interceptor_Knight  [Member]
7/8/2010 1:02:59 AM
Originally Posted By MisterB:
I suppose I could use one of my AR's, instead, since I have plenty of .223 ammo lying around. Will a 16" carbine with standard irons work ok? I don't have the extra cash to buy another Marlin+sights and magazines right now.


It will work, but the sight radius is pretty short. Print off some 1" square targets and see how your groups are at 25M. I have seen red dots on carbines work well. If you have a collapsible stock, you will want to come with some type of rest for your cheek attached.
MisterB  [Team Member]
7/10/2010 10:50:19 PM
Thanks everyone, I ended up taking a 16" AR for myself, and the Marlin 795 for the wife. We got a GI sling for the Marlin, but I just used a regular sling on the AR, it did ok.

I shot a 176 on my first AQT and a 194 on my second with the AR using the handy sling method. I had a collapsible stock (Magpul CTR) so I used a 2point canvas sling hooked to the endplate sling loop. I found it to be pretty stable, and I am sure after I figure out why I shoot consistantly one inch low with that AR I think I will get my patch fairly easily. I think I either was shooting before I got to the bottom of my respiratory cycle, or my front sight post is a bit high (I had to adjust them on the fly, they were WAY off when I arrived, I don't know when I last used irons on that rifle) I will get the irons dialed in on someones bench before I go to the next event, just so I have no excuses

We only had time for two AQT drills today, but that was ok. I enjoyed it. I will attend another one soon (I am not able to return tomorrow, unfortunately)

I really had a great time, and I want to go to another one soon. I plan to be stubborn and keep using the AR now that I got so close on my first try!
MisterB  [Team Member]
7/11/2010 1:25:25 PM
Oh, one more small mention.

This morning I ordered a Magpul B.A.D. lever for my AR. I realized it really would have helped me stay in my natural point of aim during reloads. Next time around I will have it though..
SinCity2A  [Team Member]
7/11/2010 11:26:45 PM
Originally Posted By MisterB:
Thanks everyone, I ended up taking a 16" AR for myself, and the Marlin 795 for the wife. We got a GI sling for the Marlin, but I just used a regular sling on the AR, it did ok.

I shot a 176 on my first AQT and a 194 on my second with the AR using the handy sling method. I had a collapsible stock (Magpul CTR) so I used a 2point canvas sling hooked to the endplate sling loop. I found it to be pretty stable, and I am sure after I figure out why I shoot consistantly one inch low with that AR I think I will get my patch fairly easily. I think I either was shooting before I got to the bottom of my respiratory cycle, or my front sight post is a bit high (I had to adjust them on the fly, they were WAY off when I arrived, I don't know when I last used irons on that rifle) I will get the irons dialed in on someones bench before I go to the next event, just so I have no excuses

We only had time for two AQT drills today, but that was ok. I enjoyed it. I will attend another one soon (I am not able to return tomorrow, unfortunately)

I really had a great time, and I want to go to another one soon. I plan to be stubborn and keep using the AR now that I got so close on my first try!


Next time try to attend the Sunday shoot whether you shoot on Saturday or not as Sunday has lots more AQT shooting and thus more chances to hit Rifleman.What I usually do is just attend the Sunday shoot-so I'll be freshly rested,just make sure that you have your rifle sighted in before you go.Also where I live,The closest Appleseed with the full distance component is in Kingman,AZ and the full distance shoot is on Sunday.
mrt53  [Member]
7/29/2010 12:40:02 AM
Mister B,

I will be hosting AS shoots on the weekends of 8-28, 9-25, 10-23, 11-13, and 12-11 outside of College Station, Texas. Hop on I-10 for a weekend vacation, and come on over. I have a few 10-22s to loan.
MisterB  [Team Member]
7/30/2010 11:40:09 PM
Thanks guys.

I actually found a 600 yard event in Stark, Fl the weekend of August 14/15. I am headed out after work on Saturday, so I can be there fo rthe Sunday portion.

I am taking the same 16" AR, cause now I'm gonna be stubborn about it and get my patch with that gun. (I hope anyway)

I bought a bunch of the AQT targets from Freds, and I am gonna do some timed practice before I go, hopefully.
MisterB  [Team Member]
8/15/2010 10:06:52 PM
One final update to this thread.

One Saturday in St. Augustine,

One Sunday in Stark...

..and


One Rifleman patch!


PR361  [Member]
8/20/2010 10:38:46 PM
I was shootin' with you at Bradford Sportsmans Farm in Starke. Givin it hell with my M-14, never quite got the sights dialed in though... My best excuse
M1A4ME  [Member]
8/21/2010 5:54:05 PM
Good job!! You know the average is only about 12 to 15% of the attendees at an Appleseed shoot a rifleman score (210 or higher out of 250 max points). The combination of targets sized to simulate distant targets, the multiple targets on stages 2, 3 and 4 requiring you to adjust your point of aim and the position changes (standing to sitting and standing to prone) along with the time limits really work on you if you let them.

Again, good job.
Stinson342  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 6:45:59 PM
Get a Ruger 10/22 and add the sights to it too.

Inexpensive, reliable, simple to maintain. Just stick with Ruger magazines.