President's Hundred Tab

http://www.odcmp.org/802/inc_match.asp

Achievable? Sure. Might take a few years, might take the rest of your life. Depends on how well you shoot, and the only way to find out is to start shooting Highpower. If your goal is the President's Hundred Tab, you need a Service Rifle - I shoot a Bushmaster as an Expert, and haven't reached the limits of the rifle yet. RRA is a good choice as well, but most AR makers have a competition model that is legal for SR. If you don't mind putting together a lower, look at White Oak or Compass Lake for an upper.

You should also get a shooting coat, mitt, sling, spotting scope, and a shooting mat. There are a lot of shortcuts you can take if you need to when it comes to equipment. Creedmoor Sports and Champions Choice are two vendors that deal with highpower shooters. You can also find used gear on ebay or here: http://www.usrifleteams.com/forums/ There's a lot of info on that forum as well.

You'll want plenty of ammo as well. I use M855 ball at 200 yards and handloads at 300 and 600. Of course, the SERIOUS shooters laugh at me for shooting ball, but I've shot Master-class scores with it.

First thing is to find a local match and go to it - to shoot, not to watch. Highpower SUCKS as a spectator sport. Let the Match Director know you're new and I wouldn't be surprised if you got offered a rifle and ammo to use for the match if you need them. Start NOW. This year, if at all possible. Your eyes are aging as you read this.

One more thing - Highpower is all about marksmanship. You shoot the same 4 stages EVERY TIME. Some people don't like it because of that. The only way to find out is to try it.

Hope that helps.

SFC Bob Evans
MTARNG
J-3 SARTS NCO

The President's Hundred is a CMP match fired only at Camp Perry in August.

The top 100 scorers (doesn't matter what the top score is, it'll be that shooter and the next 99 down) of what is typically over 700 shooters earn the P100 tab.

The top 20 of those 100 then fire again against each other to determine the overall winner.

http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/report_eventAward.cgi?matchID=5690&eventID=1&awardID=1




everything you need to know to start:

http://www.odcmp.com/usamu/shooting_tips.htm




and get:

Item ID: 770DVD
Description: HP Service Rifle Competition INSTRUCTIONAL DVD/SET OF 3

You'll have to create an account if you don't already have one for the CMP E-store.


When you get to Disc 3 pay particularly close attention to what Sgt Hatcher says from timecode 1:27 to 1:32

Sir, FWIW I didn't begin shooting highpower quite that late in life but my first year at Camp Perry in High Power competition I was forty-four. I won my DR badge at age 46. Yes your eyes are getting older as I write this but given the sight options available for use in Service Rifle competition these days earning a P100 tab is a worthy and obtainable goal even for us old guys.

I will mention that the cut line for the top 100 shooters in this years P100 match was a 287-2X. The cut line is usually in the mid to high 280s every year. Our esteemed mod on this forum shot a 295 this year and placed No. 20 in the shoot off. People that shoot scores in the range required to place in the top 100 of this match have highly developed shooting skills to say the least. In my humble opinion anyone that has earned the P100 tab is worthy of our respect. P100 tabs don't come easy. JMHO, 7zero1.

I've got a few years on you (I'm 52) and this year was my first attempt at the P100 after practicing weekly all winter and shooting perhaps a dozen highpower matches on my way to Camp Perry. There were 1277 competitors entered, and I shot well above my classification ending up with 274 - 4X, good enough to place 440th. I was absolutely elated, but vowed to return and try again. In the mean time, I had myself this made...



Roy

Sweet! Do you have any more?

Thanks for putting this into perspective. If I may ask, what rifle do you have and how many rounds did you shoot each week? I'll probably be placing an order for an RRA NM A2 sometime this week, but want to know how deep the water is before I jump in.

And thanks to everyone else for the feedback.

I am 41 years old and have made the President's 100 multiple times. I think that the P100 is the hardest award to win, even harder than the DR badge. You only have one chance to shoot for it per year, it is only a 30 shot match so there is little room for errors, and a full 1/3 (maybe more) of those winning a spot on the P100 will be supported shooters like the USAMU and USMC teams. All that being said it is 100% within your reach even being middle aged. It takes lots of hard work, much practice, some natural talent and the will to win. I would suggest starting out small and shooting some local reduced course matches to learn basic fundamentals as well as how the matches flow. Then start training hard for the next few seasons and going to as many big matches as you can get to.

If you have the desire, you can do it.

I started at 39 and got it at 43.

I bought my own rifle, loaded my own ammo, drove and paid my own way to matches and Camp Perry, and wasted a year-and-a-half and two shooting seasons with a shot out barrel. I shot only one day a weekend (my wife is a nurse and worked either Saturday or Sunday so one of us watched our young son at home) while working full-time at the Pentagon, as a brigade staff officer, and as a battalion commander –– with a six-month detour to Iraq to start the war. Matches were practice.

In the President's Match I've been 1200th, 20th, and 100th.

It's a service rifle. Know what it is capable of, what you're capable of, practice, and believe –– you can achieve it.

Well, I've been doing a lot of research and everything looks affordable but the ammo. Reloading is not something I can do right now. I live in Ohio, but I'm a Reservist on Active Duty in Georgia until the end of November.

There are two opportunities for organized shooting next month. The first is an Appleseed shoot Oct 16-17. I'm already signed up and had planned to take my M4 and Wolf ammo, but will switch to the RRA NM A2 if I have it by then.

The other shoot is at Ft Gordon on Oct 24 (http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/matchInfo.cgi?matchID=5723).

I have no intention of letting Wolf ammo anywhere near a competiion rifle. Can someone recommend factory ammo that's good enough for a beginner to use in practice and/or competition that won't break the bank?

CMP sells Hornady 75BTHP Match ammo now. It's 1MOA ammo


https://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=product&ID=444H223&item=&sfv=&cat=AMC&desc=&udc=&mct=&vndr=&ba=&pmin=&pmax=¬e1=¬e2=¬e3=¬e4=¬e5=&max=


Likely to be the best price for factory match ammo. I've used Hornady red box 55FMJ. Its 2-2.5MOA ammo, decent enough for 100yd reduced matches.

The 75 works out to $0.70/rnd and the 55 works out to $0.60/rnd


A very viable and effective option is dry fire.


I'll see you at Ft Gordon. Can you sponsor me onto base housing ? Nearest hotel recommendations?

What would I do with rifle and mags on base?

I use Federal bulk pack .223 55gr FMJ for practice, 200 yards and 300 yards. It runs about $40 per box of 100. Some people laugh at me for using it, but it is actually very accurate. If you look at my avatar, you'll see my 300 yard rapid fire target from last year.

Von,

shoot me a PM I am in Marietta, I have the rifle and ammo you need, come out to riverbend for the XTC match. I'm an All Guard shooter, I can help you get started. Deployment is end of November so time is limited.

SSG O'Neal

Look into the Privi Partisan 75 grain match ammo. I know first hand that the Privi Match ammo will shoot cleans at 200-300 yards. I never shot any at 600 but I would imagine it should shoot well enough for a new shooter.

Panzer;
Were you at the All Guard Dinner at Perry this year?
I'm the person that brought the pics CD out for last years Dinner.
'Borg
AKA Charlie's friend

I'm a Reservist on Active Duty in Georgia until the end of November.



This? http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=8452&dir=18

It is achievable. It is one of my goals. You're looking at a great deal of time, work, and money. Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where at in GA?

Fort Gordon

I can't recommend any hotels, but you may want to look at reviews on tripadvisor.com.

According to Audrey at the Tactical Advantage Sportsman's Complex (the Ft Gordon MWR facility, phone 706-791-5078), the rifle needs to be cased and ammo stored seperately. You don't need to declare at the gate, but if you're asked to pull over for a search, let them know you have a rifle and headed to the range.

The reserve team has some guys down that way. I'll see if I can get some contact info.

PM inbound

Von Landstuhl,

That link to the Privi ammo is the ammo i was refering too. It is pretty good for the money and even better is the brass quality. It reloads well and is at least as uniform as Winchester or LC. I think it is a good deal too. At less than $10 per box of 20 it is not too much more than buying regular XM193 ball ammo.

I only had the one "P500" brassard made. Next year, I want the real McCoy. I have a White Oak Armament 1:7 upper on a who cares lower. Actually, it's a really low numbered Century Arms lower, with a Jewel trigger. John's work is top notch, and still well beyond my capabilities. The RRA NM is an excellent platform too. I have a buddy who has one and regularly kicks my butt with it, the jerk.

I shot the national match course (50 rounds) every week at my local 100 walk-up range on reduced targets (order them online from http://pistoleer.com/targets/highpower/). You can order the correct targets for 200, 300 and 600. Just get the "repair centers".

I also shot actual 600 yard practice every week (40 rounds in two 20 round relays) from April first through Perry. I shot a 93 at 600 at Perry because of it. Add to that lots of dry fire (20 shots per night minimum, mostly standing). More is better.

A good training regimen is to shoot prone until you can clean the target (all tens) and then move to sitting and then standing. Of course, the P100 is only standing and prone, so you can concentrate on those two if that is your goal. You can do it.

Roy

See if you can get your unit to support you. They may have some rifles already built or can get you some Mk 262 Match for the ranges.

CD

I'm 44, and shot the P100 for the first time this year. It was my first match ever shooting at 600 yards (other than the squadded practice on the Sunday before), and I hit a 91-2X at 600. Couldn't wipe the smile off my face! Ended up with a 277-4X, which was a personal best for me. I was just ecstatic! I'm on a mission now to make the 100. I just got started in HP matches about 4-5 years ago, mainly shooting Garand and Springfield matches. Good luck on getting there!!

Back when I was in the service, a few of us went in on a storage space and set up a reloading bench in it. Buy used reloading gear to save even more, and order your components in as much bulk as you can.

Also FWIW, I had my brassard made by the nice lady at www.sewusay.net



Roy

You can definitely achieve your goal. All of the above advice is excellent. It took me what seems like for ever...but I finally earned the Presidents 100 in 2009 (77th/100) The plaque is hanging above my desk as I type this.

Can you define "forever?" For example, how long have you been shooting High Power, how many rounds did you shoot each month, how many tournaments a year, etc?

Well, I started shooting High Power in 1993, at age 31. I competed in NRA matches only until 2004. From 1996 to 2000 I would switch back and forth between a space gun and an AR service rifle; but when I went to Camp Perry I was there for NRA week instead of CMP week. I started shooting CMP E.I.C. matches in 2004, and went to CMP week at Camp Perry to shoot my first Presidents Match in 2006. Most years I will manage to squeeze in between 25 - 30 matches. This year and last year it was 27 and 28 matches respectively.

Von,
Are you going to shoot at Gordon. I am thinking of making the trip from Bragg.

No. I just got my RRA NM A2 on Friday. I put a few hundred rounds through it this weekend at an Appleseed shoot, but I'm nowhere near ready for a competition.

As long as you are safe, you are ready for competition. Get out and shoot a club match.

B

The position similarities to highpower are almost the same.

Get out and shoot

Absolutely, get out there now if there are still matches in your area.

+1. Shoot. It is a long winter and is gonna be hard to find local matches soon, at least in my area. Shoot and enjoy your new RRA. Then you will have 3 or 4 months to get ready and you might as well go ahead and add Creedmoor Sports to your speed-dial.

Definately get to a match if you can before winter. There's a lot more to competition than the shooting. The sooner you get started, the sooner you'll get there. Learning to get yourself on and off the firing line in the time alotted is a big deal.

Roy

I believe the next distinguishment outside the P100 is the VP1000

My best P100 was in 2002 finished #182.

Shot a 97 at 600. That made me very very happy. 1st shot was a 10. I knew I would do good then.

If I can make the Presidents 100, anyone can!

Here is my story with the "punch line" at the end of this post.

I started into this "game" at the age of 40 years young. I was not a spoon fed military shooter, meaning I was neither coached by nor supported by "Uncle Sam". I learned the game the hard way at a local club who's top shooter at the time held a NRA classification with a match rifle in the expert class! Hell, I had to learn how to use a GI sling on my own and there were no vidios or internet sites at the time to get me started!

Started with the M1 then went to the M1A before going "black" and I may add, I never looked back! Long story short, keeping up with the younger hot shots who, btw 99% have gotten out of the "game" long before they reached my starting age of 40, I made the P100 in 2006 at the ripe old age of 56. I finished 73rd. that year. I would have to check back on the stats of that year but I was probably around number 23-25 of all the civilian shooters. Lenny, who posts here, I believe was 2nd that year and also a civilian competitor.

Yes it was tough for me but you can do it and so can many others like you that are just beginning into this GAME.

I would also like I to point out that at the time my rifle was a parts rifle. Colt upper and lower. The fit was so sloppy, I had to use one of those "accu-wedges" to keep things in line and feeling solid! A Wilson 1x8 barrel, RRA float tube, standard issue.072" battle front sight, old Eagle Arms (pre Armalite) rear sight that was 1/2 minute windage and somewhere around 3/8 minute of elevation, all squared up to the front sight with dab of JB Weld. As for a trigger and in my opinion even to this day, the best right out of the package trigger, a "Charlie (Kreiger) Millazzo" that was only available a couple of years in the mid 90's to civilians! All installed or rather "built" in todays terminology of competition rifles today...well, I put it all together myself!

Ammo was my hand loaded ammo. Sierra 60 gr.hp at 200. Sierra 69gr. at 300 and Sierra 80's at 600. Powder was H-4895 in the 60's and RE15 in the 69's and 80's.

My bottom line all boils down to this. I think it was Exxon gasoline in the tank of my old Jeep that got me to Perry but all in all it was actually the fact that I finally got my mental game in order in "06 that I can now proudly wear the "tab" on my shooting coat today. Oh, thought I might add that I went distinguished (1741) with this same rig in "05!

Dave McGrath

For you shooters out there on the same side of 50 as myself.....check out the thread
on the Microsight at
http://www.usrifleteams.com/forums

If it holds up to the expectations it will shed some new life into our old eyes......amd maybe there will
be a bunch prior year repeats in the P100,

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