RESOLVED!!!- A1 stocks for service rifle?
Is it still OK to use the shorter A1 buttstock on a service rifle?
The reason I ask is now I have my Creedmore coat I'm having a hell of a time getting a position without pointing at the ground. I'm short, my arms are short and my temper is getting short.
If I can shorten up, I might make it a bit easier on myself. Right now my new coat isn't getting used.
Second question, where do I find a reasonably priced A1 stock, preferably the trap door type so I can weight it.
I'm not sure where to find one, but yes, you can use one. You can even (as of a new rule change from a few days ago, I think there's a thread here somewhere) use a shorter-than-A1 stock.
Here you go.. Cav Arms A1 Buttdtock shell. You will need a trap door assembly and short buttstock screw.
If you barrel points down when your in position it could be your sling is too short.
I was fiddling around with the sling too. I'm sure part of it is the coat is not broken in.
-I've got my sleeve unzipped (to facilitate the arm bend) and my sling loose and my support hand choked back toward the mag well.
Thanks for those links.
I'm normally better off with short stocked shotguns and rifles with about 1" less lop. I never really had an issue with the AR until the coat.
A1 stock is legal and that's what I have to use too. I also have one I can part with for $25 shipped. You will need the shorter screw, but all your other parts will fit (buffer, tube, and spring). PM or email me.
As of this year, so is the even shorter LE Entry stock.
6.2.3 U.S. Rifl e, Caliber 5.56mm, M16
The rifl e must be an M16A2 or M16A4 rifl e issued by the U.S. Armed Forces or
a commercial rifl e of the same type and caliber. M16 rifl es must be chambered
for the 5.56mm cartridge and comply with the following specifi c requirements:
(10) The M16A1 rifl e (short) butt stock or the commercial equivalent, or a fixed length
aftermarket stock that will reduce the length of pull to no less than
10 inches may be installed on an M16A2 or M16A4 rifl e or the commercial
equivalent. Any aftermarket stock must have the same external characteristics
as the A2 or A1 stocks except for the shorter length. Collapsible
stocks of the type used on M16 M4/M4A1 Carbines are not permitted.
The same butt-stock must be used for all stages of a competition.
Read all about all of the Service Rifle rules here:
What position are you trying to get into? When I'm in prone my left arm (support arm) is as far out towards the FSB as it can be, usually it's jammed against the sling mount. The zipper on the sleeve is closed as well.
both prone and sitting were giving me issues. On top of it I was/am dealing with a shoulder issue that's still uncomfortable.
Well I'll be shooting with some experienced guys tomorrow and I'll see if we can debug the new jacket thing.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Well much much better today despite the bursitis.
I went to the NYSRPA/NY Highpower SAFS school at the Forbes club today. My shooting coach for the day happened to be the state team armorer and took a look at me getting into position with the new coat and in less than 5 minutes he had an A1 stock on my rifle to go through the class with.
Not only did I get some first class coaching, the team armorer really did me a great favor and traded stocks with me, giving me a nice trap door A1 to go home with.
Bump for rookie asking this on the retro forum