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Any experience with Front Sight Lifetime Memberships?
12/27/2011 2:23:46 PM
Does anyone have experience selling these memberships? I am a lifetime "legacy" member, and have been getting these "final, final, final" chances to buy additional lifetime memberships at good prices. I think it's actually true this time that they will no longer be offering lifetime memberships - just look at their website and you will see they are no longer listed.
The problem is, we aren't allowed to advertise these memberships in "public media". If that includes sites like Arfcom, gunbroker, and gunsamerica, then how do you sell them?
Also, while these memberships are amazing values at current course prices (and the prices of courses at other facilities), who knows what offers Front Sight may be offering in the future that could potentially make these memberships less appealing.
The problem is, we aren't allowed to advertise these memberships in "public media". If that includes sites like Arfcom, gunbroker, and gunsamerica, then how do you sell them?
Also, while these memberships are amazing values at current course prices (and the prices of courses at other facilities), who knows what offers Front Sight may be offering in the future that could potentially make these memberships less appealing.
12/29/2011 12:43:03 AM
Originally Posted By aklferris:
Does anyone have experience selling these memberships? I am a lifetime "legacy" member, and have been getting these "final, final, final" chances to buy additional lifetime memberships at good prices. I think it's actually true this time that they will no longer be offering lifetime memberships - just look at their website and you will see they are no longer listed.
The problem is, we aren't allowed to advertise these memberships in "public media". If that includes sites like Arfcom, gunbroker, and gunsamerica, then how do you sell them?
Also, while these memberships are amazing values at current course prices (and the prices of courses at other facilities), who knows what offers Front Sight may be offering in the future that could potentially make these memberships less appealing.
Does anyone have experience selling these memberships? I am a lifetime "legacy" member, and have been getting these "final, final, final" chances to buy additional lifetime memberships at good prices. I think it's actually true this time that they will no longer be offering lifetime memberships - just look at their website and you will see they are no longer listed.
The problem is, we aren't allowed to advertise these memberships in "public media". If that includes sites like Arfcom, gunbroker, and gunsamerica, then how do you sell them?
Also, while these memberships are amazing values at current course prices (and the prices of courses at other facilities), who knows what offers Front Sight may be offering in the future that could potentially make these memberships less appealing.
I've heard they were a Scientology Ponzi Scheme. I stay away from Frontsite.
1/1/2012 9:22:02 PM
Front site is joke
1/2/2012 7:06:55 PM
Some of the things I've seen and read about the founder of that place set off all sorts of alarm bells.
I'll pass.
I'll pass.
1/27/2012 11:29:42 PM
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
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I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
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1/27/2012 11:42:38 PM
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
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I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
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And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
1/27/2012 11:54:19 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
He is, so can be legitimately called doctor just as much as any other DC. You are free to interpret that as you will.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
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1/27/2012 11:57:43 PM
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
He is.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
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I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
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And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
He is.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
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Hmmm... never knew that.
I respect a man who doesn't feel it necessary to trade on his title.
1/27/2012 11:59:26 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Hmmm... never knew that.
I respect a man who doesn't feel it necessary to trade on his title.
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
He is.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
He is.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
Hmmm... never knew that.
I respect a man who doesn't feel it necessary to trade on his title.
Will you still talk to me even though I put dr in my screen name back when I was an idealistic resident?
(BTW, I edited my prior post after you quoted.)
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1/28/2012 12:01:31 AM
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
Will you still talk to me even though I put dr in my screen name back when I was an idealistic resident?
(BTW, I edited my prior post after you quoted.)
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Hmmm... never knew that.
I respect a man who doesn't feel it necessary to trade on his title.
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
He is.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
He is.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
Hmmm... never knew that.
I respect a man who doesn't feel it necessary to trade on his title.
Will you still talk to me even though I put dr in my screen name back when I was an idealistic resident?
(BTW, I edited my prior post after you quoted.)
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No worries
1/28/2012 12:06:11 AM
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
No worries
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
Will you still talk to me even though I put dr in my screen name back when I was an idealistic resident?
(BTW, I edited my prior post after you quoted.)
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Hmmm... never knew that.
I respect a man who doesn't feel it necessary to trade on his title.
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
He is.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
I bought a steeply discounted membership many years ago. The trainers themselves seemed pretty good, and I've not heard any safety complaints about the gun training. The zip line is another story. They were my first formal handgun training class, and it was nice to have the fundamentals of marksmanship & safety for my classes elsewhere. I don't care much for Piazza's self promotion and marketing. He loves being called Doctor, and has probably had people call him that more than TheGrayMan and myself combined.
I could head there and take a practical rifle class this spring on my membership. I'm taking a carbine class from Costa this spring instead.
And he is a doctor... of Chiropractic, correct?
He is.
But Phil Dater, who started Gemtech, is an MD (radiologist). He doesn't seem to rely on his medical title to promote his shooting-related business.
Hmmm... never knew that.
I respect a man who doesn't feel it necessary to trade on his title.
Will you still talk to me even though I put dr in my screen name back when I was an idealistic resident?
(BTW, I edited my prior post after you quoted.)
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No worries
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1/29/2012 11:32:05 PM
Putting aside all the hype and bad things you here about Front sight, the training is actually pretty good. Yes, they talk about other things at some siminars. But most of what you learn you need to know. From how to manipulate and use your weapon, when to use it, and what happens after you use it. The point is to train and learn, especially if your new to firearms training front sight is a great place to start, if you can get in at an affordable price or find cheap certs.
2/6/2012 7:45:46 PM
I think I was in that class with sleepDr. I, too, was impressed with the instructors. The class provided a strong basis for defensive handgun use. I will be getting an ar15 in the next few weeks and am strongly considering attending a 2 day practical rifle course at the end of April.
I do have to admit the the company has some miserable marketing strategies. I get tired of the "last time ever" and "best deal ever" emails. I even heard that this past year was Front Sight's biggest year ever and, with our help, this year will be even better. Hahaha
I do have to admit the the company has some miserable marketing strategies. I get tired of the "last time ever" and "best deal ever" emails. I even heard that this past year was Front Sight's biggest year ever and, with our help, this year will be even better. Hahaha
2/6/2012 10:04:40 PM
Yeah, I remember you. You were on the line next to the guy who refused to drop his magazines one day because they were so rare & expensive.
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2/6/2012 10:24:22 PM
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
Yeah, I remember you. You were on the line next to the guy who refused to drop his magazines one day because they were so rare & expensive.
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Yeah, I remember you. You were on the line next to the guy who refused to drop his magazines one day because they were so rare & expensive.
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Teachable moment... learn the difference between "range/training" magazines and "duty" magazines.
2/6/2012 10:57:52 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Teachable moment... learn the difference between "range/training" magazines and "duty" magazines.
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
Yeah, I remember you. You were on the line next to the guy who refused to drop his magazines one day because they were so rare & expensive.
Yeah, I remember you. You were on the line next to the guy who refused to drop his magazines one day because they were so rare & expensive.
Teachable moment... learn the difference between "range/training" magazines and "duty" magazines.
It was a very educational moment, with discussions of training scars. The lead instructor & one of the assistants were both former Rangers. They were able to motivate and educate him and the rest of us quite efficiently. After I got a little vapor locked shooting numbered targets in the order called out, a little polite but firm face-to-face counseling helped me learn the lesson.
I already had dedicated different mags for range & social use. My range bag and pockets were full of range mags, even with extras for those who didn't realize how fast you can motor through single stack 1911 mags in a wondernine's world. This guy was a self-proclaimed expert. He used a different handgun platform each day, switching revolver to DAO to DA/SA, etc. The day of the skills rest, he brought some COMBLOC piece with 3 expensive & unobtainable mags.
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2/7/2012 8:27:31 AM
Originally Posted By sleepdr:
It was a very educational moment, with discussions of training scars. The lead instructor & one of the assistants were both former Rangers. They were able to motivate and educate him and the rest of us quite efficiently. After I got a little vapor locked shooting numbered targets in the order called out, a little polite but firm face-to-face counseling helped me learn the lesson.
I already had dedicated different mags for range & social use. My range bag and pockets were full of range mags, even with extras for those who didn't realize how fast you can motor through single stack 1911 mags in a wondernine's world. This guy was a self-proclaimed expert. He used a different handgun platform each day, switching revolver to DAO to DA/SA, etc. The day of the skills rest, he brought some COMBLOC piece with 3 expensive & unobtainable mags.
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It was a very educational moment, with discussions of training scars. The lead instructor & one of the assistants were both former Rangers. They were able to motivate and educate him and the rest of us quite efficiently. After I got a little vapor locked shooting numbered targets in the order called out, a little polite but firm face-to-face counseling helped me learn the lesson.
I already had dedicated different mags for range & social use. My range bag and pockets were full of range mags, even with extras for those who didn't realize how fast you can motor through single stack 1911 mags in a wondernine's world. This guy was a self-proclaimed expert. He used a different handgun platform each day, switching revolver to DAO to DA/SA, etc. The day of the skills rest, he brought some COMBLOC piece with 3 expensive & unobtainable mags.
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I had an instructor like that once... big/intimidating guy would be behind you during a reload, yelling "Get that gun up! You've got a dead man's gun! Fix that sh*t! Get back in the fight!! Faster!! Move!"
A little stress inoculation.
(I can still hear that guy's voice sometimes when doing transitions, or reloading drills
)