Magpul Dynamics vs. Jerry Miculek????

Soooo I'll go ahead and say that I'm fairly new to carbine shooting.However my question isn't really one of experience.I have been watching a lot of extremely highly recommended videos, 2 main ones being the Magpul Dynamics series and Jerry Miculek's Practical Rifle DVD.One question that was raised and I found myself scratching my head at was in Magpul's videos, Chris Costa teaches a hunched, forward shoulders, elbows in square stance with the weak hand often locked forward.In Jerry Miculek's video, which I actually found the excerpt from, he teaches a lead foot stance, elbows out, weak arm bent, standing straight up stance Jerry Miculek Practical Rifle Stance and Grip Scene

I'm not asking which is "right" or which is "better".But I'm a new shooter and I want to be an excellent shot, which is what I feel like Mr. Miculek is familiar with, but yet I love the tactical side of carbine shooting, which I feel like is what Magpul is pushing.What are the advantages/disadvantages to both stances, from experienced shooters preferably.

Are you learning to shoot static paper targets or learning to fight on a two way range for life and death encounters....

Some skills work well for specific tasks, but do not work well for others.

Take a shooting class in the type of shooting you are preparing for and enjoy yourself.

A. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

B. You will never be properly trained by watching DVDs.

C. DVDs are entertaining but actually being in the class that is being filmed is the only way a DVD will PROPERLY prepare you!

Try both out and see what they offer YOU because that might be different then what other people have found by trying them out.

For me I square up my shoulders for the most part and have a leg forward as in a fighting stance. That works best for me and after 27 years of shooting I'm pretty happy with it. But before you can know you'll have to try them out

What kind of targets do they shoot in a Magpul Dynamics class?

Is Jerry Miculek a combat veteran? How many gunfights has he been in?

Is his DVD geared towards shooting at targets that shoot back?

I respect the hell out of Jerry Miculek, but I think he'll reach more target shooters than combat shooters in his audience.

I am sure paper targets are shot. Duhhh! Maybe even steel plates. I know that both are used in each type of shooting training.

Read the statement again, there is a difference in mind set between two shooting types. Target shooting and tactical shooting. Go with what you want to learn.

Thanks for all the quick responses.I want to learn to be a fast, efficient, tactical shooter, but I think any tactical shooter would still like to go to the range and shoot tight groups at 200 yards nonetheless.I guess I'll just learn one or the other or merge the two for what works best for me.Thanks again everyone.

That is a whole different can of worms.

How many has Chris Costa been in?

Apples and oranges.

Jerry's DVDs are very good but are certainly slanted toward his audience.....the three gun competitors and mainly those who compete in open division. Having watched the set twice now, I do not recall any references what so ever to defensive shooting tactics......completely competition shooting which he refers to throughout as "your performance".

if you're concerned with tight groups, then you're probably going to what to stick with the Miculek/competition style shooting...
Magpul Dynamics, EAG, Vickers, USTRACEN, etc are focused more on combat effectiveness and scoring hits on threats, not points on paper.

it is what is. it all depends on what you want to do. many people here focus on the latter as there are a lot of former/current military, LE, and folks that train to use their guns in real life situations.

really it doesn't hurt to learn both methods. On my desk at work, I have books on perl, python, tcl/tk, C, C++, etc. I have three different books on socket programming, there is no "right" language or method, only one that works better for what my project might be...

Context is important. Jerry's video is about practical rifle shooting, i.e. shooting a rifle in competitive events. MD's video are (at least ostensibly) about combat.

That said, many at the highest levels of the SOF food chain learn from, or have been influenced by, 3-gun/prac-style TTPs. Don't discount a guy's ideas because he hasn't been a door-kicker with a numbered TF.

Beat me to it.

That's a plan, try both out, try them out a lot at home before you even head to the range. Get in all the positions and see what is most comfortable for you, see what you can comfortably move in, see what you can hold for 10-20 minutes continuously and how you feel at the end. Play with both of them and don't be afraid to do what feels comfortable to you. You should look at other shooters too...

here is my favorite

There is no one way to shoot, tactically or otherwise... there are certain similarities in the leaders of any of the disciplines. Jerry M and Chris C are both outstanding at getting hits on target quickly, the important parts of holding a weapon are the same for both of them, (hand forward and stock pulled into the pocket, feet shoulder width apart)

To echo a couple items mentioned, Jerry is teaching what he considers to be ideal for competition shooting, in which he is a legend and one of my absolute favorites in the competitive world. However Jerry does not have to worry about minimizing his profile around barricades and getting elbows shot off. He doesn't have to worry about presenting the front of an armor carrier and not worrying about getting a bullet through the open side area of his armor and blowing up his heart and a couple of lungs. His stance can be altered as he doesn't have to worry about the balance of an extra 50+ lbs and having a stick or fire team possibly knocking him off his feet. These are only but a few considerations, but again this is not what Jerry's DVD is geared towards.

Again Jerry would tell you the same and don't think he doesn't understand the differences and can teach differing styles. However there is a ton of advice that he gives that can be directly incorporated or adapted into combat shooting. I am a big proponent of using what works and adapting things into my style of training and shooting which is definitely a hybrid of both worlds, which I think has made me a far better shooter and teacher. FWIW, I am a combat style shooter / instructor and I mostly train intermediate to advanced level shooters who may actually be shot at, but I am not arrogant enough to ignore good techniques no matter where they come from and using or adapting them to improve what I do. Then again, I am also not hesitant to discard what doesn't fit, no matter who it is coming from.

Looking at accomplished shooters that follow your needs is a good thing, however do not ignore everything else. The more knowledge and training that you get, the more you can adapt what works for you and your situation.

Also Kyle Lamb as mentioned above is another of my favorite guys. He has a background in shooting people in the face and shooting competition. He has a great style and is an excellent shooter / instructor. One of the absolute best IMO.

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