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My whole training arrangement has been shot to pieces. Damage control planning; what can we do?
5/26/2011 10:11:15 PM
Two friends and I were set up to go to a course down in Florida, at TFA. One of said friends was close friends with one of the instructors there, having attended training there before. Said friend had a custom course set up for the three of us, along with others who had been arranged to attend, for Tac Pistol 1 & 2, Battle Carbine 1 & 2, and a Survival course.
Said friend ran into a load of financial trouble, and tried to back out of the course, or have the survival portion of the course dropped from the curriculum, in order to save money. Either way, there weren't going to be enough people attending, so the whole course got canceled and the rug was pulled out from under my other friend and I.
We'd been planning this since December 2010, for June 13-17th. Also, the friend that got all this screwed up in the first place was offering to cover my tuition fees as a gift/motion of friendship. So here we are, on May 26, and the whole mission is aborted, after my other friend and I scurried to get our rigs assembled and squared away in time.
Now we're at a loss of what to do. This close to June, we had that week selected as vacation picks. We can't possibly change it at this point, it's too close to cut it. So here we have this week off in June, and we don't know what to do with ourselves. The both of us being from NY, we were going to drive down to FL to not have to worry about transporting weapons and gear on planes. We were looking forward to the road trip aspect of it, my girlfriend was even set to come with us.
So at this point the two of us, minus the other friend that fucked all this shit up due to complete absent minded-ness (normally I plan out stuff like this, I seldom leave it up to someone else; this is what I get for it) are in damage control mode, trying to see if there's any places within the same driving distance or closer that can offer similar if not the same type of training, or at least the gunfighting aspect of it, that we can afford and arrange to do within the small amount of time we have remaining until June 13.
I've hit the wall at this point. We don't know what to do. A percentage of this post is my controlled venting; the other is asking, "what the fuck happens now?"
Not trying to dump my shit in your laps guys, my bad.
Said friend ran into a load of financial trouble, and tried to back out of the course, or have the survival portion of the course dropped from the curriculum, in order to save money. Either way, there weren't going to be enough people attending, so the whole course got canceled and the rug was pulled out from under my other friend and I.
We'd been planning this since December 2010, for June 13-17th. Also, the friend that got all this screwed up in the first place was offering to cover my tuition fees as a gift/motion of friendship. So here we are, on May 26, and the whole mission is aborted, after my other friend and I scurried to get our rigs assembled and squared away in time.
Now we're at a loss of what to do. This close to June, we had that week selected as vacation picks. We can't possibly change it at this point, it's too close to cut it. So here we have this week off in June, and we don't know what to do with ourselves. The both of us being from NY, we were going to drive down to FL to not have to worry about transporting weapons and gear on planes. We were looking forward to the road trip aspect of it, my girlfriend was even set to come with us.
So at this point the two of us, minus the other friend that fucked all this shit up due to complete absent minded-ness (normally I plan out stuff like this, I seldom leave it up to someone else; this is what I get for it) are in damage control mode, trying to see if there's any places within the same driving distance or closer that can offer similar if not the same type of training, or at least the gunfighting aspect of it, that we can afford and arrange to do within the small amount of time we have remaining until June 13.
I've hit the wall at this point. We don't know what to do. A percentage of this post is my controlled venting; the other is asking, "what the fuck happens now?"
Not trying to dump my shit in your laps guys, my bad.
5/26/2011 10:23:39 PM
U.S. Training Center is in North Carolina their schedule looks full but maybe shoot them an email.
5/26/2011 10:27:17 PM
From my other thread:
Originally Posted By Plissken:
Who offers the best pistol and carbine combative courses for the money? Not just line up shooting at paper real fast, but stuff that engages you like barriers, kill houses, team movements, stuff like that?
I looked into DARC, but for all the awesome courses they have offered, they don't say what's open to civilians and what isn't (I'm LEO, but my friend who would be joining me isn't, and I want to include him.)
We've looked into USTC, but their courses take five days for things That take 2-3 days elsewhere, and for a high cost, so we aren't sure if we're paying a majority of that money for the Blackwater label.
Any further input or recommendations in regards? We're moreso focused on the knowledge learned and the experience to be had rather than resume matters at this point.
Who offers the best pistol and carbine combative courses for the money? Not just line up shooting at paper real fast, but stuff that engages you like barriers, kill houses, team movements, stuff like that?
I looked into DARC, but for all the awesome courses they have offered, they don't say what's open to civilians and what isn't (I'm LEO, but my friend who would be joining me isn't, and I want to include him.)
We've looked into USTC, but their courses take five days for things That take 2-3 days elsewhere, and for a high cost, so we aren't sure if we're paying a majority of that money for the Blackwater label.
Any further input or recommendations in regards? We're moreso focused on the knowledge learned and the experience to be had rather than resume matters at this point.
5/26/2011 11:48:10 PM
Vickers might be your solution...
5/27/2011 2:42:29 AM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=9&f=16&t=230615
Give Rich a call @ DARC.
Give Rich a call @ DARC.
5/27/2011 3:02:22 AM
The only thing I can suggest is for you to scour the various training school/instructor websites and see if anyone has a class during that week.
If so, give 'em a call and plead your case, they just might take you even though a class is listed as full.
I completely understand where you are coming from WRT having vacation picked and no flexiblility in your plans. I picked my vacation for 2011
back in the early fall of last year.
I feel your pain.
EDIT:
EAG Tactical (Pat Rogers)
Carbine Operators Course - Harrisonburg PD Range - Harrisonburg VA
16-18 June 2011
Host: Chris Meadows
Admin: EAG - info@eagtactical.com
Cost: $610 – Deposit $300 with balance due 30 days prior to course date
Status: Open Enrollment
EAG Tactical
Tactical Response
Fighting Rifle (Mobile)
Jun 11 - 12, 2011
Winchester, VA (High View WV)
Tactical Response
US Training Center
Carbine Operator
13-17 June
Myock, NC
Class is full, but again, give them a call and plead your case.
http://www.ustraining.com/new/courses/NC/carbine-operator.asp
I know you said something about this company, but, I have personally taken this course, it is worth the investment. First class facility, you will not regret it.
CCJA
Carbine I & II
11-12 June 2011
Fredericksburg, VA
CCJA
If so, give 'em a call and plead your case, they just might take you even though a class is listed as full.
I completely understand where you are coming from WRT having vacation picked and no flexiblility in your plans. I picked my vacation for 2011
back in the early fall of last year.
I feel your pain.
EDIT:
EAG Tactical (Pat Rogers)
Carbine Operators Course - Harrisonburg PD Range - Harrisonburg VA
16-18 June 2011
Host: Chris Meadows
Admin: EAG - info@eagtactical.com
Cost: $610 – Deposit $300 with balance due 30 days prior to course date
Status: Open Enrollment
EAG Tactical
Tactical Response
Fighting Rifle (Mobile)
Jun 11 - 12, 2011
Winchester, VA (High View WV)
Tactical Response
US Training Center
Carbine Operator
13-17 June
Myock, NC
Class is full, but again, give them a call and plead your case.
http://www.ustraining.com/new/courses/NC/carbine-operator.asp
I know you said something about this company, but, I have personally taken this course, it is worth the investment. First class facility, you will not regret it.
CCJA
Carbine I & II
11-12 June 2011
Fredericksburg, VA
CCJA
5/28/2011 12:42:43 AM
I'd add that you're doing yourself a disservice if you fail to attend Southnarc's ECQC. It's definitely a class where you should have some training under your belt before attending and it's on Long Island but hit him up at some point.
June 12-14
Extreme Close Quarters Concepts (ECQC)
Long Island , NY
Point of Contact: Paul Hotaling
training@greygrouptraining.com
I'm also a big Tactical Response fan - good classes.
June 12-14
Extreme Close Quarters Concepts (ECQC)
Long Island , NY
Point of Contact: Paul Hotaling
training@greygrouptraining.com
I'm also a big Tactical Response fan - good classes.
5/28/2011 2:22:32 AM
Originally Posted By xmikex:
I'd add that you're doing yourself a disservice if you fail to attend Southnarc's ECQC. It's definitely a class where you should have some training under your belt before attending and it's on Long Island but hit him up at some point.
June 12-14
Extreme Close Quarters Concepts (ECQC)
Long Island , NY
Point of Contact: Paul Hotaling
training@greygrouptraining.com
I'm also a big Tactical Response fan - good classes.
I'd add that you're doing yourself a disservice if you fail to attend Southnarc's ECQC. It's definitely a class where you should have some training under your belt before attending and it's on Long Island but hit him up at some point.
June 12-14
Extreme Close Quarters Concepts (ECQC)
Long Island , NY
Point of Contact: Paul Hotaling
training@greygrouptraining.com
I'm also a big Tactical Response fan - good classes.
Got any further details? What's it cover?
5/28/2011 2:51:43 AM
ECQC Description
If you run a search for ECQC on some of the forums you'll get some good info. You can also search for SouthNarc & ECQC on Youtube, vimeo, etc for video clips of some of the evos.
ECQC is a demanding class, physically & mentally. It is "the one" class, in that, if you can only take one class a year, this should be it. SN is an outstanding instructor & he's done the head work as well as the physical work on the material.
I consider SouthNarc a friend & mentor so I do have an interest in his future via ECQC & other courses. Very few people are doing what he is doing in terms of ECQC & they have all done the work with him.
MDTS is also up in NY & Chris Fry is another very good instructor. He might have something available for you guys.
If you run a search for ECQC on some of the forums you'll get some good info. You can also search for SouthNarc & ECQC on Youtube, vimeo, etc for video clips of some of the evos.
ECQC is a demanding class, physically & mentally. It is "the one" class, in that, if you can only take one class a year, this should be it. SN is an outstanding instructor & he's done the head work as well as the physical work on the material.
I consider SouthNarc a friend & mentor so I do have an interest in his future via ECQC & other courses. Very few people are doing what he is doing in terms of ECQC & they have all done the work with him.
MDTS is also up in NY & Chris Fry is another very good instructor. He might have something available for you guys.
5/28/2011 6:33:55 AM
My ONLY caution with Southnarc is that you really should have recent, formal, professional pistol training under your belt. As a cop, you have a drawstroke and grip you should have pretty much down pat so you should be fine. If your buddy doesn't have a base level skillset, he's going to not learn as much and it's going to be a bit of an overload for him IMHO. It's a pretty advanced course. I would NOT recommend it as a first class.
It's a great class with about 50% live fire and 50% wrestling/fighting/beating the shit out of each other with sims guns.
ECQC focuses on 0-5ft "bad breath distance" fighting - with guns. The live-fire portion focuses on perfecting your drawstroke and fighting from the various points of the drawstroke.
More people NEED to take this class - along with ANY professional Force on Force training they can get.
YammyMonkey - if you think my assessment of needing previous training for ECQC is off base, please say so - I took it 2 years ago and felt that it was an advanced course - maybe Craig would be fine though with a student brand new to the training world? He's a very capable instructor and a good dude.
This thread is reminding me that I need to take ECQC again
It's a great class with about 50% live fire and 50% wrestling/fighting/beating the shit out of each other with sims guns.
ECQC focuses on 0-5ft "bad breath distance" fighting - with guns. The live-fire portion focuses on perfecting your drawstroke and fighting from the various points of the drawstroke.
More people NEED to take this class - along with ANY professional Force on Force training they can get.
YammyMonkey - if you think my assessment of needing previous training for ECQC is off base, please say so - I took it 2 years ago and felt that it was an advanced course - maybe Craig would be fine though with a student brand new to the training world? He's a very capable instructor and a good dude.
This thread is reminding me that I need to take ECQC again
5/28/2011 7:36:53 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/TheBritbiker
5/29/2011 1:40:07 AM
ECQC definitely requires prior training above anything the NRA can put on. You must have a solid grasp on the fundamentals & safe gunhandling.
