Looks like I'm going to a LAV tactical course in March...gear advice

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Looks like my aimpoint micro may make it back in time for the class. If so it will go on my ak74.

So do I run my ak74 with surplus ammo or my BCM with Wolf? I just can't afford any more ammo ATM so I am stuck with Wolf 223. It has always ran fine for me so I hope it is reliable at the basic carbine class.

Geta second job and earn a couple hundred bucks for ammo. Its what i do. i work about 15 hours a week to pay for my toys.

He'll know how to teach you with an AK74. Not sure you are better off either way, both the 74 and the AR take the same ammo...

How many days? I bet you don't approach the carbine ammo "requirement". So score 500rds of cheap Wolf, and bring 500 of your go-to stash just in case.

It appears to be the basic carbine and basic pistol. One day each...

I think I got conflicting info as it appears I only need 400 rounds each and not 800+. There is conflicting info on the web site, but I need to email them and find out for sure. If I only need around 500 I'm gtg no problem.

I'd rather take my AR so that is good news to me.

AK74 and AR do not take the same ammo....

Ask him what he thinks about Ted Nugent - (during a break)

Serpa is GTG
4 + mags per firearm
money well spent -

fun as hell

5.56x45mm does not equal 5.45x39mm

check out the ammo forum for reference. until then please dont pass on bad advice. no wonder the training section on here sucks.

Relax, I'm not an AK guy, thought the 74 was the one that takes 5.56.

Fuck off. I'm sure you've never typed faster than you've thought it all the way through...

Thought the 74 was the AK that took the 5.56 ammo, has nothing to do with my recommendation though. He should take his AR, score 500rds of Wolf ammo, and bring 500 of his go to stash.

If he trains two days, one pistol & one carbine, LAV will probably have him use 250 pistol rounds total and 250 carbine rounds total all told...

The ammo recommendations are generally way high to make sure everyone shows up with enough ammo and doesn't try to bring "just enough".


ETA: Might want to internally analyze your response here and backtrack why you might believe the training forum here sucks. I bet it has more to do with asshole responses like yours than an honest mistake like mine.

If you have 400rds of 5.56x45, you'll have plenty. Maybe just pick up another battlepack to be sure. I know a lot of places online sell 55gr or 62gr stuff for a little under $70/200rds.

If it is only 400 I'm fine. I was worried cause the guy who booked it for me called and said we needed 800 rifle and 300 pistol for the carbine class then 800 more for the pistol.

But I got online and I think since it is a one day it is 400 rounds. I have tons of magazines so I can literally just load up mags instead of bringing any loose ammo if I wanted.

What sucks is I normally keep at least 2k worth of cheap stuff per rifle around, but I just got a house so I haven't replenished for awhile.

Larry focuses on accuracy and does a lot of drills setting up the foundation so that you learn to be accurate with speed later in class. I think at his one day basic pistol, in June, we shot about 260rds.

In his advanced classes, we've shot south of 300 per day each time.

The problem that they were having was some venues don't have a pro shop, or even a good Walmart/gun shop selection nearby and folks were bringing absolute minimum ammo, and running real lean. So Paul was bumping up the ammo req't to make sure everyone brought their share and no one was having to barter for ammo to finish the class.

If you have 400 each gun you should be good, but extra is always better. Just bring some of your go to stash in case he goes hog wild, or you guys are all Delta and shit and are shooting lights fucking out from the first shot.

if im not sure of something i dont post. good rule to live by. this is not GD

but im the asshole!

So two posts now in this thread and not an ounce of guidance for this guy, or even an attempt? Go play in traffic.

There is an AK that shoots 5.56x45, no? I typed it out as being a 74, when in fact it's only based on the 74 but called by another name. Oops. Still gave this user solid firsthand advice about ammo requirements for a Vickers class.

What was it that you offered to the thread?

Ok, enough already. You were wrong. It was pointed out. You DID give bad advice to someone. I know it wasnt intentional. But you seem very defensive about it. Its no big deal.
Jim

come down to the fan and we'll hug this out bro. bring your blood pressure down a hair, i got some PBR in the fridge. chill out.

OP, heres MY CONTRIBUTION! take your hoard ammo and use it! i know you want to save it up but if you save it and dont have the skills when it comes time to use it its all for not. point of diminishing return man. use the good ammo so you dont have a fuck ton of problems, like stopages and a rifle kaboom. buy more ammo later. ammo spent training is never ammo wasted. you can get more after the class, it wont be easy to get more during.

second as with anything keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. unless you have questions of course. if you dont agree with something dont waste class time asking why, ask during lunch or afterwards etc. different instructors have different reasoning. if this is your first time with this guy. have fun.

Not quite, I misspoke. It was a stupid mistake. Typing faster than thinking. My most sincere and humble apologies.



The advice portion of my post was not in error, however:

How many days? I bet you don't approach the carbine ammo "requirement". So score 500rds of cheap Wolf, and bring 500 of your go-to stash just in case.

You can go with a Serpa.



I've done LAV carbine courses with just a pair of cargo pants to tote loaded mags. If you can have 3 loaded mags on you at the line at one time you should be good to go. At an LAV class you don't need load bearing gear to tote extra ammo. He tries to keep the round count per day to 400 or so. If all you have is 400 I'd try to take more just in case...but odds are you'll stick to the 400 rounds per day mark unless you're in a class full of really switched on dudes who buzz through the regular material quickly, forcing LAV to dip into his bag of sinister tricks.

As for which you should run...what gun do you want to learn to use well?

Ammo sitting on your shelf does precisely beans for you. Actually using the ammo in a training course is a damn fine use of ammo because you are learning something with it. If this was a dirt shootin' with Bubba event then not using your valued ammo would be a good call. A good class, however, is the best damn reason to use that ammo short of a full-on zombie apocalypse. Don't screw yourself on a training opportunity because you're looking longingly on that unbroken case of ammo. The S will not HTF tomorrow. You'll be able to buy more.

EDIT –– and wear some Spongebob apparel.

When is your course? Mid March, that gives you roughly 45 days....... @ $6.65 a day that will buy you $300 worth of ammo. Pack a lunch, no Starbucks, Carpool, etc.....

LAV courses are not "bullet burners". You will probably shoot around 300-400 rounds per day, TOPS. Also, you will have plenty of time to keep your gun gassed up. Plan to have 4 mags on you when you are on the line. One in the weapon the rest can be in a chest rig, belt kit, whatever is comfortable. Same goes for pistol.

Larry cares exponentially more about you getting good hits on target than what kind of deuce gear you are wearing. "Speed is fine, Accuracy is FInal." Is his motto for a reason. If you show up there in the most Ninja Force 5 kit with 100% Multicam, you stand an excellent chance of being "THAT GUY" for the course. If your guns are reliable and you can shoot them are his primary concern.

Make sure to wear and use some VTAC gear and talk loudly about how awesome Kyle Lamb is,........ Larry LOVES Kyle Lamb. LOVES.

I'm no mall Ninja which I have heard is good. Guy I know claims he will bag on you bad if you have all kinds of ridiculous gear and can't shoot. My gun isn't over done (IMO anyways) and all the gear I will have is a Eagle M4 LE chest rig, serpa on a blackhawk belt, and some ATI pouches on my chest rig. I am running a VCAS sling, but I modified it lol. Maybe he won't notice.



I do however have MOE hand guard on it now and a IWC flash light mount. If he wants a light on the gun I will run the MOE's if not I will probably throw the CAR ones back on.

I think that you will be fine. There are so many .MIL and LEO guys that go to LAV courses that kit doesn't usually get much attention, unless of course it is EXCESSIVE or obviously an Airsoft rig from the PRC.

The first thing Larry does is circle everybody up and gives everybody a once over, mainly taking in weapons types and setups. Larry definitely has "turn on" and turn off" lists as far as carbines go. He loves the Aimpoint T-1 Red Dot, he loves Black PMAGs (and only black), he loves Tango Down stuff, Magpul MOE and CTR stocks, two point slings, etc. The main thing with LAV is "Less is more." If you have a good quality setup that you know how to shoot you will have a great time and need have no fear of being "THAT GUY". I think pretty much the worst combo in LAV's eyes are the guys with super expensive top of the line guns that they can't shoot to save their lives. Next come the guys with absolute crap guns.

It will be a great class and you will learn a shitload. Larry is a wealth of knowledge and an absolute guru when it comes to the history of weapons development. ENJOY.

Update

I so have a feeling I'm going to be "That Guy" and catch flack for wearing the multicam Brokos belt with matching pouches. I figure if I can hold my own and outshoot 80% of the class I'm good. This is for tactical pistol 1.

That's pretty much what Larry wears. Have no fear.

MaK, how did it go ? this is the part where you post your AAR -

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