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anyone have a private outdoor training facility???
7/7/2010 3:13:45 PM
with pics????
out here we have land and currently have our own range (400 yards long, with a 100 yard by 40 yard wide area set up as the primary area)....we're considering setting the primary area up for "training" for some light run and gun with obstacles, shoot thrus, and so on.
Any pics of your set up would be appreciated as we have never set anything like this up yet.
out here we have land and currently have our own range (400 yards long, with a 100 yard by 40 yard wide area set up as the primary area)....we're considering setting the primary area up for "training" for some light run and gun with obstacles, shoot thrus, and so on.
Any pics of your set up would be appreciated as we have never set anything like this up yet.
7/7/2010 4:35:59 PM
Perimiter berms in shape of a square "U".
7/7/2010 4:39:52 PM
Originally Posted By TrackSol:
Perimiter berms in shape of a square "U".
Perimiter berms in shape of a square "U".
all thats covered
more interested in pics of obstacles and such....preferably made of simple construction materials like lumber and pvc
also interested in layouts, and movement sequences for training......like paths, training patterns, and so on
7/8/2010 10:48:52 AM
As an example, at Gunsite they utilize natural "washes" (think dry creek bed) to set up courses of fire. Targets are positioned along natural bends and "cuts" in the "wash" providing students with allot of opportunities for decision making and "pie-ing corners". The manner in which targets are arranged can oftentimes expose a student to a threat from the left as they attempt to "pie a corner" and engage a target on the right.
Also, not every target is a threat and pepper poppers, both std. height and half height add a "vertical dimension" to the overall "problem solving" nature of the exercise.
Absent a "wash" or dry creek bed on your property, any type of natural or man-made "obstacle" can be organized into a similar CoF. Depending upon how willing you (or your wife) are to defacing your property, mounds of dirt, piles of wood, a stack of barrels, a disabled vehicle or just about anything that create "angles and corners" can be used.
Most importantly, the "path" should kind of zig-zag so that the aforementioned issue of exposure from one side as one engages targets on the other side is manifest.
ETA: Keep in mind Rule #4 when laying out the CoF, especially in regard to elevation.
Also, not every target is a threat and pepper poppers, both std. height and half height add a "vertical dimension" to the overall "problem solving" nature of the exercise.
Absent a "wash" or dry creek bed on your property, any type of natural or man-made "obstacle" can be organized into a similar CoF. Depending upon how willing you (or your wife) are to defacing your property, mounds of dirt, piles of wood, a stack of barrels, a disabled vehicle or just about anything that create "angles and corners" can be used.
Most importantly, the "path" should kind of zig-zag so that the aforementioned issue of exposure from one side as one engages targets on the other side is manifest.
ETA: Keep in mind Rule #4 when laying out the CoF, especially in regard to elevation.
7/8/2010 11:36:26 AM
there is a creek bed on the right hand side, but its a deep creek and not sure how we could use it. Defacing is a non issue as this is back away from the sight and sits at the bottom of a couple hills.....only open side is to the left (south) into an open field and then to a hill 400 yards or so away
7/9/2010 10:52:23 AM
Originally Posted By TonyF:
As an example, at Gunsite they utilize natural "washes" (think dry creek bed) to set up courses of fire. Targets are positioned along natural bends and "cuts" in the "wash" providing students with allot of opportunities for decision making and "pie-ing corners". The manner in which targets are arranged can oftentimes expose a student to a threat from the left as they attempt to "pie a corner" and engage a target on the right.
Also, not every target is a threat and pepper poppers, both std. height and half height add a "vertical dimension" to the overall "problem solving" nature of the exercise.
Absent a "wash" or dry creek bed on your property, any type of natural or man-made "obstacle" can be organized into a similar CoF. Depending upon how willing you (or your wife) are to defacing your property, mounds of dirt, piles of wood, a stack of barrels, a disabled vehicle or just about anything that create "angles and corners" can be used.
Most importantly, the "path" should kind of zig-zag so that the aforementioned issue of exposure from one side as one engages targets on the other side is manifest.
ETA: Keep in mind Rule #4 when laying out the CoF, especially in regard to elevation.
As an example, at Gunsite they utilize natural "washes" (think dry creek bed) to set up courses of fire. Targets are positioned along natural bends and "cuts" in the "wash" providing students with allot of opportunities for decision making and "pie-ing corners". The manner in which targets are arranged can oftentimes expose a student to a threat from the left as they attempt to "pie a corner" and engage a target on the right.
Also, not every target is a threat and pepper poppers, both std. height and half height add a "vertical dimension" to the overall "problem solving" nature of the exercise.
Absent a "wash" or dry creek bed on your property, any type of natural or man-made "obstacle" can be organized into a similar CoF. Depending upon how willing you (or your wife) are to defacing your property, mounds of dirt, piles of wood, a stack of barrels, a disabled vehicle or just about anything that create "angles and corners" can be used.
Most importantly, the "path" should kind of zig-zag so that the aforementioned issue of exposure from one side as one engages targets on the other side is manifest.
ETA: Keep in mind Rule #4 when laying out the CoF, especially in regard to elevation.
THIS is along the lines of what I would like to do on my property. I have a wooded ravine, with the sides of it sharply elevevated approx. 50 feet up. I would like to build a small 10x10 shed at the bottom (target storage, rain breaks, etc) and make a sort of jungle run. I could probably get a max shot of 150 yards. Not the ideal, but it would be in my backyard so to speak.
7/26/2010 12:20:20 PM
heres what I'm starting with.........this picture is about 40 yards away, facing straight west.
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directly behind this from 50-75 yards is an X-shaped path cut in grass to make intersecting paths, in the center is a stand that I will be mounting a sheet of plywood to with cutouts similar to those seen in the Magpul Carbine (one) DVDs. When moving up a non-shooter yells LEFT to go to another vertical type 2 man barrier or RIGHT to go to a more horizontal barrier meant to represent shooting from a parked car.
Its pretty minimal and targets remain the steel and some paper targets.....numbered from left to right with roman numerals, and lettered right to left on all the hanging steel. The steel half silhouette staked in the ground has a vest, then a "sniper" gong and whatever paper targets we want to put up on the stands. The stand furthest to the left is primarily used for CCW training with half silhouettes, but can be used just the same.
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directly behind this from 50-75 yards is an X-shaped path cut in grass to make intersecting paths, in the center is a stand that I will be mounting a sheet of plywood to with cutouts similar to those seen in the Magpul Carbine (one) DVDs. When moving up a non-shooter yells LEFT to go to another vertical type 2 man barrier or RIGHT to go to a more horizontal barrier meant to represent shooting from a parked car.
Its pretty minimal and targets remain the steel and some paper targets.....numbered from left to right with roman numerals, and lettered right to left on all the hanging steel. The steel half silhouette staked in the ground has a vest, then a "sniper" gong and whatever paper targets we want to put up on the stands. The stand furthest to the left is primarily used for CCW training with half silhouettes, but can be used just the same.
7/29/2010 8:18:06 PM
I am not sure the following is what you are looking for but I will take a stab.
One range we use features a fixed wall The Wall on one side that has a few obstacles in front of it. Fun range props This is fairly fixed but may give you an idea.
You may find the obstacles need not be elaborate and if your shooters are forgetting their basics may wind up with untended ventilation. Often times working around the same obstacles a slightly different way changes things substantially.
At a local shoot we use removable props mixed with permanent structures and store them in a small shed. This allows a big mix of possibilities, but takes up time to set up and tear down plus storage space.
One range we use features a fixed wall The Wall on one side that has a few obstacles in front of it. Fun range props This is fairly fixed but may give you an idea.
You may find the obstacles need not be elaborate and if your shooters are forgetting their basics may wind up with untended ventilation. Often times working around the same obstacles a slightly different way changes things substantially.
At a local shoot we use removable props mixed with permanent structures and store them in a small shed. This allows a big mix of possibilities, but takes up time to set up and tear down plus storage space.
7/29/2010 8:25:01 PM
Envision a concrete pad about 40 yards wide and 50 yards long with berms around it.
Concrete is a lot less pleasant to train on, but probably a lot more realistic for most situations. Also it's a lot easier to pick up all your brass
Concrete is a lot less pleasant to train on, but probably a lot more realistic for most situations. Also it's a lot easier to pick up all your brass
7/29/2010 10:07:42 PM
Originally Posted By phurba:
Envision a concrete pad about 40 yards wide and 50 yards long with berms around it.
Concrete is a lot less pleasant to train on, but probably a lot more realistic for most situations. Also it's a lot easier to pick up all your brass
Envision a concrete pad about 40 yards wide and 50 yards long with berms around it.
Concrete is a lot less pleasant to train on, but probably a lot more realistic for most situations. Also it's a lot easier to pick up all your brass
If I pour another concrete pad it will be for a shoothouse......neither can I afford right now.
Right now I'm going to use moveable structures that I can move around to make things different and be able to move in order to mow and so on.
12/14/2010 8:51:31 AM
I'd build up that berm so you wouldn't rely on the bales to stop rounds.
I'm strapped for distance; I built my range as a pistol range, so its only 50 yards long
I'd prefer to have my side berms wrap around more, but I was limited at the time by the amount of material I had on hand to work with.
I know the scale is hard to judge from the pic. The back berm is about 9-10 feet high.
I'm strapped for distance; I built my range as a pistol range, so its only 50 yards long
I'd prefer to have my side berms wrap around more, but I was limited at the time by the amount of material I had on hand to work with.
I know the scale is hard to judge from the pic. The back berm is about 9-10 feet high.
